Notices by william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city), page 6

@sim @p @amerika @jeremiah @Moon

casting people out IRL meant and can mean they couldn't just start a new account and be less of a jerk. on social media, it's not a big ask to say don't tag people who won't appreciate a post.

@jeremiah @sim @p @amerika @Moon

cause people keep comparing a very simple social negotiation we manage constantly IRL, with cancelling or tribal exile.

@sim @p @amerika @jeremiah @Moon

posts like this make me think dark fedi is eventually going to say "banning assholes makes perfect sense. glad we came up with it.".

@amerika @sim @p @jeremiah @Moon

to me, the dark fedi are the edgelord communities. making others uncomfortable is cool. rejecting the mainstream is mandatory.

@amerika @sim @p @jeremiah @Moon

refuse to push back against bullshit cause at least it's anti establishment, and therefore entertaining. who cares if that leads to more decent people doing dumb (sometimes dangerous) shit cause they're misinformed. only people I don't like are going to get hurt. till it's Ashli Babbitt, but we'll just blame the black cop, even though he was just doing his job that we're pissed other cops weren't doing the rest of the time. or maybe it's all another conspiracy.

@jeremiah @amerika @sim @p @Moon

I'm saying people need to argue with each other about what information is true or arguments make sense, not censor. I'm saying that assholes make this less likely to happen, cause people disengage. I guess I'm also saying that edgelord culture makes this less likely too, cause you don't want to be seen as defending the M5M etc.

I'm for censoring accounts that act like assholes cause they make hearing unpopular stuff, that isn't just mean/dumb, less likely.

@amerika @Moon @p @jeremiah

I'm not worried about people who feel compelled to follow such commands. what I want is more people here interacting with people they don't agree with. Mean shit directed at people keeps that from happening. call me selfish but I think what I want is also good for society. kinda done.

@p @amerika @jeremiah @Moon

No sir. I know many are blocking for bad opinions. I oppose that. What I'm arguing for is that we all embrace a policy of refusing to allow the harassment (on servers we don't want to be fedi blocked at least), but do allow the bad opinions. Then all come at light fedi making this case.

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@jeremiah @p @amerika @Moon

yes, replying to someone you don't know with "die faggot" is different than "I understand your perspective but I think people like yourself are fags and it would be much better for everyone if you were to expire." it shouldn't be welcome on the larger fedi imo.

@p @pwm @amerika @jeremiah @Moon

a fedi server isn't a room, it's a portal to the shared space composed of the servers that federate with it.

romper/pvp rooms are fine but that idea would demand a fully defederated server or something like dark fedi. as I said, I'm all for that. a place where anything goes. just don't expect any other server, much less most other servers, to be fine federating with that.

I know you think it's bad now, but without the expansive empathy that leads us to care about the public interest, we'd be so flooded with lies and basic bullshit that large complex societies would be impossible. We'd be stuck in small communities that completely misunderstood the world and thought crazy shit about everybody we didn't know. The incentives to misinform are just too good. #LiberalValues

@p @amerika @jeremiah @Moon

should it work this way with harassing people in real life too? let them do it and they'll figure out it's bad, no repercussions necessary to make that happen. and it's just too bad for our friends and family who have to deal with it.

online anonymity allows more dickheads. you can never get rid of D Duke or Blazing Saddles, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't keep working to distinguish between them and try out different methods to reasonably deal with the former.

@Moon @p @amerika @jeremiah

every day in public, some different random person says die nigger faggot. totally not harassment according to dark fedi.

@f17f9f6ff8e3a5ef95bbd20958678b0218df25d253a3485f756d8755e6208ead @dcc

I'm sorry but I completely support people being able to join the network without being inundated with shit. is there a way to do that on nostr?

@Zerglingman @p @amerika @jeremiah @Moon

now this makes sense. fear of change. gentrification. hipster shit.

@amerika @jeremiah @p @Moon

that doesn't solve the problem for the people who will stop using the service if they see that regularly from different accounts. as a person that wants more users here and a diverse range of perspectives, I'm stuck. block that server or lose out on users who don't want to see that. in general, you guys don't care to hear from those more sensitive users. I do. I think the more reasonable thing is to just get rid tiny percentage of obvious assholes.

ugh.

@jeremiah @amerika @p @Moon

I was unclear. They will use the service, but just keep blocking the dark fedi. Maybe you should mute this thread cause you don't care about that.

@jeremiah @amerika @p @Moon

sure, but that also means doing your best to abide by what others expect. we do it IRL constantly. there's a convo going on and they don't seem edgy etc and somebody jumps in to say die fag. if they're an account on your instance, ban or at least warn them. they can get another account (even on your server) where they only do that to people they know will find it hilarious.

imo their fun is attacking or they'd only do it on a private server. give them that.

@p @jeremiah @Moon @realcaseyrollins

and some people want to be pissed on. most wouldn't let the guy who pisses on people without asking through their portal to the shared space, so it's understandable that others would be more wary of people who come through your portal. this sucks cause your portal is mostly for people into consensual watersports etc, who other portals forbid unfairly imo. while some will always be unfair to your portal users, screening will change your reputation over time.

@jeremiah @realcaseyrollins @p @Moon

anybody can come into a church, then you can remove them. that's pretty similar to a server blocking people after they are assholes. but if enough people did that, you'd want a way to screen them before they came in. if everyone had to wear a pin (denoting their instance etc) and much larger percentage with a certain pin were shitheads, I assume you'd keep them out.

the fedi is not really a public or private space but we know whose door they came in thru.