Conversation

Notices

1. Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 03:46:52 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

   • Moon
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

   @p @Moon have you guys considered an alternate Fediverse Server Covenant (vs. MSC) ? Like, same thing, but not retarded, frozen peachy, etc? If nothing else, offering a well-known counterpoint and critical position...

   • Machismo repeated this.
   • Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 03:46:48 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     @Moon @p maybe don't need more than 2 and a general statement.

   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 03:46:48 JST Moon

     in reply to

     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     @jeremiah @p sub-point would be "how do you define 'nsfw'" and the answer is "use your best, good-faith judgment of what a person on a train wouldn't want the person next to them to see them viewing" or something like that.
     Machismo likes this.
   • Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 03:46:49 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     @Moon @p now we might have a line item for a covenant. "I will neither use nor contribute to blocklists", ditto doxing.

   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 03:46:49 JST Moon

     in reply to

     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     @jeremiah @p I literally can't think of a third thing to add.
   • Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 03:46:50 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     @Moon @p can you elucidate it a bit and differentiate it from or relate it to a pile-on, two minutes hate, factional fighting, doxing, etc?

   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 03:46:50 JST Moon

     in reply to

     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     @jeremiah @p doxing or collating lists of people to block/whatever
   • Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 03:46:51 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     @Moon @p you could easy rephrase that is:

     "we support a diversity of opinion such that a simple covenant or code of conduct is a disservice, therefore we recommend you use the sensitivity flag."

     Some sort of statement that defines a counterargument, if not a mirror of its form.

   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 03:46:51 JST Moon

     in reply to

     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     @jeremiah @p I personally would add "no witch hunting" but that is very vague
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 03:46:52 JST Moon

     in reply to

     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     @jeremiah @p my feeling is that there is and should be so much diversity of opinion on the fediverse that a covenant isn't desirable.
     
     if you really wanted a minimum maybe it would be:
     
     1. sensitive flag your nsfw
     
     that's it
     Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: likes this.
   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 03:48:48 JST Machismo

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos
     @wjmaggos @Moon @p @jeremiah >accounts that jump into threads to post nigger
     It's just a functioning immune system. You said nigger, no problem.
   • william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 03:48:50 JST william.maggos

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     @jeremiah @p @Moon

     there should be a middle ground. basically no assholes.
     AFAIK freeze peachy servers have no problem hosting accounts that jump into threads to post nigger. my goal here is good conversations. that kind of shit is just as bad as censorship. instead of silencing an individual voice, it makes lots of people not want to speak up. the former is usually used against conservatives, the latter deters lefties. I want everybody as comfortable as possible talking to each other.

   • william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 03:50:56 JST william.maggos

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • Machismo
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     @Zerglingman @p @jeremiah @Moon

     an immune system for what?

     Machismo likes this.
     Machismo repeated this.
   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 03:51:04 JST Machismo

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos
     @wjmaggos @Moon @jeremiah @p Censors.
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 13:47:56 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • Moon
     @jeremiah @Moon I mean, my position is that an attempt to centralize standards is antithetical to proper operation of the network.
     
     If a former admin (familiar with the ins and outs of running one of these but not actively participating in administration) laid out something like that and encouraged some reasonable standards and listed instances that fit those standards, that would probably be the only way to do that kind of structure and get it right. However, from a practical perspective, either the seal of approval wouldn't matter, or it would matter and there would be a lot of arguing about whether some action constituted a violation of some principle set forth in the standards.
     
     Or flip it the other direction: instances voluntarily put a note in the sidebar or something: "We endorse this set of rules." Anyone would be able to *claim* it so it'd be caveat user but it would be a way to signal "This is how we intend to run this place."
     
     For my part, I think instances are not relevant and my code will speak for itself when I've got it out to the world.
   • Matt Hamilton [Maryland] (eriner@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 15:00:20 JST Matt Hamilton [Maryland]

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     @jeremiah @p @Moon

     Feels like a good time to plug https://freezepeach.social

     † top dog :pedomustdie: likes this.
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 16:18:17 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • william.maggos
     @jeremiah @wjmaggos @Moon
     
     > Do we, or do we not want governance?
     
     My answer to this will be presented in the form of a tarball of source code; this is all I have to say about that.
     † top dog :pedomustdie: likes this.
   • Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 16:18:18 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos

     @wjmaggos @p @Moon so this quickly becomes a fundamental philosophical question:

     Do we, or do we not want governance?

     Fedi has governance is built in at the user and administrative levels. What you are pushing at is something beyond this and your justification is, "but if we don't, people will be people."

     If pristine threads are important, defederate your server, but it's fairly authoritarian to suggest that the rest of the world needs to toe your line.

   • william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 16:18:19 JST william.maggos

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     @jeremiah @p @Moon

     post any word you want as a new post or as a reply to people you know etc, but people who jump into a thread to post it or lots of other abusive shit are just being assholes. they enjoy making others feel worse. and yes, we can mute or block them immediately afterwards but that doesn't change that this is a shitty experience for lots of people.

     your take isn't principled, it's functionally biased towards hearing more from cons and assholes. and calling yourselves victims.

   • Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 16:18:20 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos

     @wjmaggos @p @Moon the MSC is someone's definition of a middle ground. The middle ground are your block and mute controls.

     Arbitrary notions of any given person's "comfort" is not relevant in this context: they have the same two comfort adjustment buttons mentioned above, so that's out of the equation.

     If someone can't post nigger, they can't post the lyrics to a non-trivial fraction of pop music lyrics, so this isn't about nigger, it's about censoring perspectives you don't like, simple as.

   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 16:19:27 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • Moon
     @Moon @jeremiah
     spread_anarchy.jpg
     † top dog :pedomustdie: likes this.
   • Red (redneonglow@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 16:24:27 JST Red

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     @jeremiah @p @Moon No. Alt fedi exists because we do not follow codes of conduct and just have fun with minimal rules.
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 16:24:27 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • Red
     @redneonglow @jeremiah @Moon
     
     > Alt fedi
     
     mastodonk dot social is alt-fedi, we're just fedi.
     † top dog :pedomustdie: likes this.
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 16:28:42 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • Moon
     @Moon @jeremiah
     
     > a person on a train
     
     Man, I saw some old dude in a suit reading hard-core hentai on the train in Tokyo. You have to say "average person on an average train".
     
     But then the feet guys, like...I mean, even if there's nothing pornographic, something pervy is clearly going on.
     
     Even the courts basically throw up their hands and say "community standards!" when it comes to indecency/obscenity.
     lesson017.gif
     † top dog :pedomustdie: likes this.
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 16:29:57 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • william.maggos
     @wjmaggos @jeremiah @Moon
     
     > but people who jump into a thread to post it or lots of other abusive shit are just being assholes.
     
     Sure. So? Assholes are assholes, you can't cure it. Unless you plan to put them all in a camp and fire up the ovens, they're going to be *somewhere*. Naturally they will gravitate to the places where they are free to follow their inclinations, and behavior that nobody wants to see is only permitted in very permissive places.
     
     Some people like having the assholes around, anyway. *I* like having the assholes around. As long as nobody can get rid of them, the e-Gestapo isn't breathing down my neck about making dick jokes. Weirdos get painted with the "asshole" brush and anywhere that assholes are chased away eventually chases away the merely unpleasant: weirdos, freaks, anti-social nerds, hackers, criminals, pirates, every interesting person. (Find me a creative person that isn't a thought-criminal.)
     
     Very permissive places also appeal to people that don't want some rules e-lawyer to threaten to narc on them while they are chilling on the internet and talking to their friends.
     
     If the people you want to bring here are indispensable from your perspective and I'm disposable, then that's fine: my server exists without permission, the software I am writing exists without permission and will eliminate the need (or ability) to moderate this server (which will go from a node on this network to an amorphous cluster of nodes on this network),
     
     > that doesn't change that this is a shitty experience for lots of people.
     
     I'd rather they be here than Twitter, but if that means the place becomes friendly to them and unfriendly to me, they already have the Mall Internet, I only have this place. I'm not the only one, either: lots of people are here because this is the only tolerable place for them. "You should feel welcome nowhere so that extroverted normies can feel welcome everywhere!" Thank you, I decline to sacrifice the one place I like in order to gentrify it so that a bunch of lily-white teenagers with shitty politics can be happy *here*, too.
     
     > it's functionally biased towards hearing more from cons and assholes. and calling yourselves victims.
     
     I stand up a Pleroma server because Twitter is bullshit and fedi is nice. I expect adults to be able to handle themselves. If this creates political bias, I don't recall being conscripted or paid to eliminate political bias, I recall wanting to participate in a network that I thought was pretty cool. I don't get where the "calling yourselves victims" comes from. FSE is here so that I have a place to be and so that other people have a place to be. I care about freedom of speech and I do not care to sterilize anything: this is where you find the people that would be censored elsewhere and censoring them here is antithetical to the purpose. Without a hint of equivocation, I refuse to chop the balls off this place to make it more comfortable for the people that are responsible for fucking up the rest of the web. They've chased the interesting people out of everywhere else, here we have a relative paradise, fuck the people that would like to chase the interesting people out of here, too. They can go back to Snapchat or Tumblr or Facebook or Twitter or any of the other places where they are welcome because here it does not matter if I'm welcome or not: I can be here and am here.
      likes this.
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 16:49:57 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • Machismo
     • william.maggos
     @wjmaggos @Zerglingman @jeremiah @Moon You may be more familiar with the term "bozo filter".
   • :BIGBOOBS: The Real Slug Shady :BIGBOOBS: (slugbert@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 16:54:14 JST :BIGBOOBS: The Real Slug Shady :BIGBOOBS:

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos
     • ≠ Brett Stevens ≠
     @p @amerika @wjmaggos @amerika @jeremiah @Moon >I wouldn't want to live in a place where there were dudes suckin' dicks in the alley under my window
     And yet here you are, on the Mastadon network
      likes this.
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 16:54:15 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • william.maggos
     • ≠ Brett Stevens ≠
     @wjmaggos @jeremiah @Moon @amerika
     
     > Im arguing for what @amerika calls decorum.
     
     Sure, and that's fine if you are making a forum for civilized discussion. I am attending a party full of nerds and freaks and weird fuckers.
     
     > imagine you like having parties with contentious convos, but some guy is just rude.
     
     I remember that guy maybe 20 years ago that moved to San Francisco and sued this gay bar that he lived near for contributing to making the neighborhood shitty because dudes was suckin' dicks in the alley, right? And my thought was "Why the fuck did he move to San Francisco? They were there suckin' dicks in the alley before he showed up." I wouldn't want to live in a place where there were dudes suckin' dicks in the alley under my window, right, but I don't show up in a city where there are dudes suckin' dicks in alleys, buy a place overlooking an alley, and then demand they change what they are doing to accommodate me. He should have sued his realtor if he was gonna sue anyone. (If he was smart, he would have made lemonade: filming it, I imagine, could have paid his mortgage, but in either case, if he'd hung onto it until about ten years ago, he could have made a lot of money than he would have made from a frivolous lawsuit.)
     
     At any rate, I decline to allow people that don't want to talk to me to dictate the rules under which I talk to other people. They don't get a vote, and they waived their right to even make a suggestion when they blocked FSE. Good riddance.
     
     > one neighborhood sends about 80% assholes but 20% interesting/dissident views.
     
     That's been quantified. It's about 4%, and the percentage is constant between "neighborhoods": the places that call *this* place an asshole neighborhood have about as many assholes as we do. Propinquity creates a bias in perception, this is common knowledge. In any case, it's better to instance-block the handful of people that your instance can't tolerate.
     decentralized_web_moderation.pdf
     † top dog :pedomustdie: likes this.
     Machismo repeated this.
   • william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 16:54:16 JST william.maggos

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     @jeremiah @p @Moon

     I'm not arguing for pristine threads. Im arguing for what @amerika calls decorum. everybody can express strong opinions even as replies, just don't be an asshole.

     imagine you like having parties with contentious convos, but some guy is just rude. he doesn't get invited next time. now imagine you must pick your guests randomly from different neighborhoods and one neighborhood sends about 80% assholes but 20% interesting/dissident views. I'm asking they tighten that up.

   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 16:57:11 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • Accused Putin Apologist
     • william.maggos
     @wjmaggos @PakkonenCT @jeremiah @Moon @amerika
     
     > sure but some people are primarily here to be assholes.
     
     Sure. As long as they do not cause me any trouble, that's their business. You cannot, in practical terms, prevent this kind of thing, you just mitigate it when it causes problems for you.
     
     > I'm trying to keep those w unpopular opinions in the wider conversation, but get rid of the jerks.
     
     As previously demonstrated, this is impossible and undesirable.
     † top dog :pedomustdie: likes this.
   • william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 16:57:12 JST william.maggos

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • Accused Putin Apologist

     @PakkonenCT @jeremiah @p @Moon @amerika

     sure but some people are primarily here to be assholes. or to use some of their accounts that way. they'd probably be jerks to everyone AFK if they could but pretty soon nobody would talk to them. here you want the rest of us to be considered assholes for trying to find a way to avoid them.

     I'm trying to keep those w unpopular opinions in the wider conversation, but get rid of the jerks. you and the woke think that's impossible or not worth the effort.

   • Accused Putin Apologist (pakkonenct@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 16:57:13 JST Accused Putin Apologist

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos

     @jeremiah @wjmaggos @p @Moon @amerika lol everyone can be an asshole.

   • Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 16:57:14 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos

     @wjmaggos @p @Moon @amerika that's a fine idea, and can easily be implemented by the mute block features. You can start right now!

   • william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 17:21:45 JST william.maggos

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • Accused Putin Apologist

     @jeremiah @PakkonenCT @p @Moon @amerika

     the tools to defederate exist too. that's what you're complaining about. that most people shouldn't use that option to exclude the servers you like. they shouldn't get to associate only with the people they like. you call them censors cause they don't want to hang out with you. but that's freedom too.

     I'm trying to lay out a compromise but whatever.

   • Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 17:21:46 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • Accused Putin Apologist
     • william.maggos

     @wjmaggos @PakkonenCT @p @Moon @amerika ok, if some people are primarily here to be assholes, then they're assholes. Under our present architecture, they have as much right to be here as liberals, since we're speaking in categorical terms.

     To this, you want to add probability, so now we're policing categories by likelihoods, and you bear the conceit that you're fit to judge who deserves to participate and who is "an asshole."

     Scratch the surface of a liberal, and you find an authoritarian.

   • Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 17:21:46 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • Accused Putin Apologist
     • william.maggos

     @wjmaggos @PakkonenCT @p @Moon @amerika the tools you want are literally there, right now, but they're just for you. What pisses you off is you don't get to manage the switches for other people, which is what this is about.

   • Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 17:22:14 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • Accused Putin Apologist
     • william.maggos

     @wjmaggos @PakkonenCT @p @Moon @amerika you're putting words in my mouth. I literally said: if you want pristine threads, defederate.

   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Oct-2023 17:59:30 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • william.maggos
     • :BIGBOOBS: The Real Slug Shady :BIGBOOBS:
     • ≠ Brett Stevens ≠
     @slugbert @Moon @amerika @amerika @jeremiah @wjmaggos :dongles:
     † top dog :pedomustdie: likes this.
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Oct-2023 10:48:16 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • realcaseyrollins
     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
     @realcaseyrollins @jeremiah @Moon @freemo That guy's a retard.
     † top dog :pedomustdie: likes this.
   • realcaseyrollins (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Oct-2023 10:48:17 JST realcaseyrollins

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @jeremiah @p @Moon @freemo Seems like something @freemo might be interested in, perhaps?

   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Oct-2023 14:03:01 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • realcaseyrollins
     • william.maggos
     @wjmaggos @jeremiah @realcaseyrollins @Moon
     
     > am I welcome to loudly spout obscenity laden arguments against religion at your church next Sunday?
     
     This is a thinly veiled threat. I feel unsafe. Many people on here have told me threats like this have gotten out of hand recently. This is intolerable behavior, you alt-right chud.
     
     Per the server rules requiring civil conduct, for the safety of all of the comrades on FSE, Chicago will be nuked (we begin bombing in five minutes) and wjmaggos publicly denounced as a fascist in the server blocklist. Subsequent to this, we will begin pressuring other admins to do the same because if they federate with a fascist, they are literally using their resources to host fascist speech.
     5minutes.mp3
     † top dog :pedomustdie: likes this.
   • Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Oct-2023 14:03:02 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • realcaseyrollins
     • william.maggos

     @realcaseyrollins @p @Moon finally, a justification for centralized censorship, @wjmaggos !

   • william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Oct-2023 14:03:02 JST william.maggos

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • realcaseyrollins

     @jeremiah @realcaseyrollins @p @Moon

     am I welcome to loudly spout obscenity laden arguments against religion at your church next Sunday?

   • william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Oct-2023 14:03:03 JST william.maggos

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • realcaseyrollins

     @realcaseyrollins @p @jeremiah @Moon

     can we assume that slur spamming at someone you've never interacted with before was already unwanted?

   • realcaseyrollins (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Oct-2023 14:03:04 JST realcaseyrollins

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos

     @wjmaggos @jeremiah @p @Moon Back when I ran #CounterFedi I adopted a rule that you integrated #USA law’s principle of harassment: if someone tells you to stop talking to them, and you don’t stop talking to them, then that’s harassment and against the rules. It’s the non-cucked definition of harassment that still would help gatekeep from the types of trolls you’re talking about. Slur spammers rarely stop if you ask them to nicely.

   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Oct-2023 14:15:54 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • realcaseyrollins
     • william.maggos
     @wjmaggos @jeremiah @realcaseyrollins @Moon
     
     > if everyone had to wear a pin (denoting their instance etc) and much larger percentage with a certain pin were shitheads,
     
     Yeah, or like, sew it into their jackets.
     fsestar.png
      and † top dog :pedomustdie: like this.
   • william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Oct-2023 14:15:55 JST william.maggos

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • realcaseyrollins

     @jeremiah @realcaseyrollins @p @Moon

     anybody can come into a church, then you can remove them. that's pretty similar to a server blocking people after they are assholes. but if enough people did that, you'd want a way to screen them before they came in. if everyone had to wear a pin (denoting their instance etc) and much larger percentage with a certain pin were shitheads, I assume you'd keep them out.

     the fedi is not really a public or private space but we know whose door they came in thru.

   • Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Oct-2023 14:15:56 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • realcaseyrollins
     • william.maggos

     @wjmaggos @realcaseyrollins @p @Moon that's not a public space. Different context, but nice try.

   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Oct-2023 16:23:43 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • realcaseyrollins
     @realcaseyrollins @jeremiah @Moon I do not wish to deal with either of them and the reasons why are public. If you're aware of that (but apparently not able to remember why), you'd think that tagging them wouldn't serve a purpose besides kicking up drama. Is that the plan?
     † top dog :pedomustdie: likes this.
   • realcaseyrollins (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Oct-2023 16:23:44 JST realcaseyrollins

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @p @jeremiah @freemo @Moon He ain’t perfect, but I wouldn’t go THAT far.

     i find it interesting how hard it is for the bigger #Fediverse admins to get along. Like I’d presume that due to principles that you, @freemo, @alex, etc. should be able to get along with each other, but to my knowledge, y’all are arch nemesis for each other.

   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Oct-2023 16:29:21 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • realcaseyrollins
     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
     • mia
     @mia @Moon @freemo @jeremiah @realcaseyrollins I don't know, it was a gun thread that resulted in the several days of nonsense at the end of which he threatened to sue :nada:.
     † top dog :pedomustdie: likes this.
   • mia (mia@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Oct-2023 16:29:22 JST mia

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • realcaseyrollins
     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
     @p @realcaseyrollins @Moon @freemo @jeremiah
     
     He's ok if you stick strictly to talking about guns.
   • Leyonhjelm (leyonhjelm@breastmilk.club)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Oct-2023 17:03:28 JST Leyonhjelm

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • realcaseyrollins
     • william.maggos

     @p

     They make me wear that at work

     @wjmaggos @jeremiah @Moon @realcaseyrollins

   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 17-Oct-2023 17:03:28 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • realcaseyrollins
     • william.maggos
     • Leyonhjelm
     @leyonhjelm @Moon @jeremiah @realcaseyrollins @wjmaggos
     grafitti_nice.png
     † top dog :pedomustdie: likes this.
   • Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 09:06:06 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • realcaseyrollins
     • william.maggos

     @wjmaggos @p @Moon @realcaseyrollins you know this has the distinct odor of a forum moderator's point of view.

   • william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 09:06:07 JST william.maggos

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • realcaseyrollins

     @p @jeremiah @Moon @realcaseyrollins

     and some people want to be pissed on. most wouldn't let the guy who pisses on people without asking through their portal to the shared space, so it's understandable that others would be more wary of people who come through your portal. this sucks cause your portal is mostly for people into consensual watersports etc, who other portals forbid unfairly imo. while some will always be unfair to your portal users, screening will change your reputation over time.

   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 09:06:08 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • realcaseyrollins
     • william.maggos
     @wjmaggos @realcaseyrollins @jeremiah @Moon
     
     > can we assume that slur spamming was already unwanted.
     
     I don't want it, you don't want it, some people want it.
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 09:06:30 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • realcaseyrollins
     • william.maggos
     @jeremiah @wjmaggos @Moon @realcaseyrollins
     
     > forum moderator's point of view.
     
     Seems that way.
     † top dog :pedomustdie: likes this.
   • ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 10:46:29 JST ≠

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos

     @wjmaggos @jeremiah @p @Moon

     From old BBS experience:

     The best response is dismissive.

     Someone jumps in and says "die fag|nigger!"

     Someone else says, "Yeah, that's not how we do it around here" and everyone else moves on.

   • william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 10:46:30 JST william.maggos

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     @jeremiah @amerika @p @Moon

     sure, but that also means doing your best to abide by what others expect. we do it IRL constantly. there's a convo going on and they don't seem edgy etc and somebody jumps in to say die fag. if they're an account on your instance, ban or at least warn them. they can get another account (even on your server) where they only do that to people they know will find it hilarious.

     imo their fun is attacking or they'd only do it on a private server. give them that.

   • ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 10:46:31 JST ≠

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos

     @wjmaggos @jeremiah @p @Moon

     Decorum is also the only consistent speech rule.

     Like it or not, we all censor something, if only spam, child porn, and (some) government secrets or doxing information.

     Decorum says you attack arguments, not people.

   • Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 10:46:31 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos

     @amerika @wjmaggos @p @Moon the question is WHO does the censoring. If it's me "decorum" means something different than if it's you.

   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 10:47:00 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • william.maggos
     @amerika @wjmaggos @jeremiah @Moon
     
     > "Yeah, that's not how we do it around here"
     
     Yeah, "I can't believe you just said that, this is worse than if a sacred cow had crucified a holocaust full of babies!" is an effect, producing an effect guarantees that something will be done if someone desires that effect.
     † top dog :pedomustdie: likes this.
   • mia (mia@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 11:15:28 JST mia

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • Machismo
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos
     @wjmaggos @Zerglingman @p @jeremiah @Moon
     
     Mostly peaceful protests.
   • william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 11:43:38 JST william.maggos

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     @jeremiah @amerika @p @Moon

     I was unclear. They will use the service, but just keep blocking the dark fedi. Maybe you should mute this thread cause you don't care about that.

     Machismo repeated this.
   • Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 11:43:39 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos

     @wjmaggos @amerika @p @Moon
     > that doesn't solve the problem for the people who will stop using the service if they see that regularly from different accounts.

     How is this anyone's problem but theirs? You're quite right about sensitive users -- a lot of us came here to get away from them.

     The rest of the centralized internet caters to them, so they're not missing out on anything except being triggered by people who've decided the lowest common denominator is no longer the deciding factor.

   • william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 11:43:40 JST william.maggos

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     @amerika @jeremiah @p @Moon

     that doesn't solve the problem for the people who will stop using the service if they see that regularly from different accounts. as a person that wants more users here and a diverse range of perspectives, I'm stuck. block that server or lose out on users who don't want to see that. in general, you guys don't care to hear from those more sensitive users. I do. I think the more reasonable thing is to just get rid tiny percentage of obvious assholes.

     ugh.

   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 11:44:01 JST Machismo

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos
     @p @jeremiah @amerika @Moon @wjmaggos And this is why we hurl slurs at them.
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 11:44:02 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • william.maggos
     @wjmaggos @jeremiah @amerika @Moon
     
     > dark fedi.
     
     Their presumption that they are somehow the default and that we're "dark fedi" is a bad one, especially given that the guy that runs shitposter.club is here: shitposter.club was here before mastodon.social.
   • william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 11:53:52 JST william.maggos

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • Machismo
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     @Zerglingman @p @amerika @jeremiah @Moon

     now this makes sense. fear of change. gentrification. hipster shit.

     Machismo repeated this.
   • Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 12:39:38 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • Machismo
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos

     @wjmaggos @Zerglingman @p @amerika @Moon you literally want to change and gentrify fedi?

     This is starting to make sense.

     Machismo repeated this.
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 18:42:45 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • Machismo
     • william.maggos
     @Zerglingman @Moon @amerika @jeremiah @wjmaggos ...Which is pointless, because they either can't see you, or they wouldn't have blocked FSE without that. I use acme and Go and can't follow Rob Pike. Hachyderm would have blocked us anyway because FSE's not "advertiser-friendly" but there's no need to go out of your way and cause me a problem.
   • DJ Solomon (11112011@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 18:52:21 JST DJ Solomon

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • Machismo
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos
     @p @Zerglingman @Moon @amerika @jeremiah @wjmaggos zerg is a pointless pro
     Machismo likes this.
   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 18:52:37 JST Machismo

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • DJ Solomon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos
     @11112011 @wjmaggos @jeremiah @amerika @Moon @p Could be worse. Could be you.
   • DJ Solomon (11112011@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 18:53:52 JST DJ Solomon

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • Machismo
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos
     @Zerglingman @Moon @amerika @jeremiah @p @wjmaggos so true
     Machismo likes this.
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 19:47:49 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • Machismo
     • william.maggos
     @jeremiah @wjmaggos @Zerglingman @amerika @Moon
     
     > you literally want to change and gentrify fedi?
     
     I get the feeling that it's change the way a PRC annexation would change Taiwan.
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 06:47:20 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • william.maggos
     @wjmaggos @amerika @jeremiah @Moon
     
     > that doesn't solve the problem for the people who will stop using the service if they see that regularly from different accounts.
     
     Are those people more or less interesting than the assholes?
     
     Can you construct a rule that bans Fred Phelps but not a parody of Fred Phelps?
     
     I mean that: this is a pointless discussion without an answer to that question. Banning a word throws out the Blazing Saddles baby with the David Duke bathwater. You cannot come up with a rule that can meet the requirements for a fair rule, but sitting down and trying is instructive.
     
     A fair rule can be detected and enforced, the enforcement can be done evenly, a person can know *before* they do something if that thing will constitute a violation of the rule, nothing but a mistake of fact makes a mistake in detection, and it's not so onerous that it will be routinely ignored. Maybe the most important is whether a person can know before they do something whether that thing is against the rules or not: they can connect their action with the consequence. A rule that is routinely ignored also doesn't allow people to connect their actions with consequences: 99% of the time, nobody cares, but once in a while, someone will make a big deal out of it.
   • ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 06:47:20 JST ≠

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos

     @p @wjmaggos @jeremiah @Moon

     Even more interestingly, this implies that we need David Duke to keep Blazing Saddles safe.

   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 06:47:20 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • william.maggos
     @amerika @wjmaggos @jeremiah @Moon This is my thought, yeah. You can't get rid of David Duke without getting rid of Blazing Saddles.
     
     Not just that, but you see people hop alts, change their names, etc. I think trying on a face and seeing how people react to that face is important for a yoof, otherwise they don't figure out how their society works. Maybe a teenager tries on David Duke: it's inadvisable, but so is anything a teenager does. (It's the major time of obvious bad decisions, then you get to spend the rest of your life on Byzantine faults.) You give "Because you're not allowed" as the only reason for not being something, people will do it anyway, but "Everyone will think you are a dickhead" is sufficient to deter most people from doing something that doesn't mesh with society. (The two notable exceptions being the actual dickhead, and the guy that is convinced he is correct. Actual dickheads are unavoidable and sometimes the guy that is convinced he's correct *is*. It's like an "Are you sure?" dialog, a social impediment.)
     
     It's like Cunningham's Law, which I'm certain I've said something about in this thread but in any case cited recently: "The best way to get the right answer on the Internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer." Likewise, the quickest way to convince a teenager that they should not become David Duke is to just let them be David Duke for a minute.
   • william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 06:47:42 JST william.maggos

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     @p @amerika @jeremiah @Moon

     should it work this way with harassing people in real life too? let them do it and they'll figure out it's bad, no repercussions necessary to make that happen. and it's just too bad for our friends and family who have to deal with it.

     online anonymity allows more dickheads. you can never get rid of D Duke or Blazing Saddles, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't keep working to distinguish between them and try out different methods to reasonably deal with the former.

   • ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 10:05:09 JST ≠

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker :verified: - https://the-mad-pirate-prints.com/
     • william.maggos

     @TheMadPirate @p @wjmaggos @jeremiah @Moon

     The original state of the internet was free speech with a culture that ignored trolls.

     Then came Eternal September and the people who could not control themselves.

   • Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker :verified: - https://the-mad-pirate-prints.com/ (themadpirate@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 10:05:10 JST Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker :verified: - https://the-mad-pirate-prints.com/

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos
     @p @wjmaggos @amerika @jeremiah @Moon But my browser says I do !
   • Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker :verified: - https://the-mad-pirate-prints.com/ (themadpirate@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 10:05:11 JST Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker :verified: - https://the-mad-pirate-prints.com/

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos
     @p @wjmaggos @amerika @jeremiah @Moon Come to the Dark Fedi....we have....Cookies.
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 10:05:11 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker :verified: - https://the-mad-pirate-prints.com/
     • william.maggos
     @TheMadPirate @Moon @amerika @jeremiah @wjmaggos You don't have any cookies.
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 10:05:51 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • Cuddly Lovely Sassy Motherfucker :verified: - https://the-mad-pirate-prints.com/
     • william.maggos
     @amerika @TheMadPirate @wjmaggos @jeremiah @Moon Well, the things that people call trolling are not trolling any more.
     † top dog :pedomustdie: likes this.
   • FourOh-LLC (fouroh-llc@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 10:07:50 JST FourOh-LLC

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos
     As Trump put it - "I prefer people not dying".
   • ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 10:07:51 JST ≠

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • FourOh-LLC
     • william.maggos

     @FourOh-LLC @p @wjmaggos @jeremiah @Moon

     If we shift culture, a lot can change.

     It is in fact the best way to change things: through _learning_.

     It takes awhile and there will be some who will never accept it.

   • FourOh-LLC (fouroh-llc@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 10:07:52 JST FourOh-LLC

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos
     You argue with people who were born after the ancient race of content and subject moderators died off.
     
     They post on ActivityPub - what chances they have to improve anything?
   • Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 10:07:53 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos

     @p @wjmaggos @amerika @Moon

   • ≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 10:07:53 JST ≠

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos

     @jeremiah @p @wjmaggos @Moon

     The internet should be a bit edgy. Otherwise it turns into a commercial walled garden.

   • Jezza™@threads.com (Official) (jeremiah@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 10:08:42 JST Jezza™@threads.com (Official)

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • FourOh-LLC
     • william.maggos

     @FourOh-LLC @p @wjmaggos @amerika @Moon but was he talking about lizard people too or just people?

   • † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 10:09:31 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:

     in reply to

     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • Maholmire
     @p @Maholmire :hutton_gibson:
   • Maholmire (maholmire@crlf.ninja)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 10:09:32 JST Maholmire

     in reply to

     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     We'll make the nonce instances wear badges while the rest can get armbands.
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 10:09:32 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • Maholmire
     @Maholmire :charliechaplin:
     † top dog :pedomustdie: likes this.
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 10:17:58 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • † top dog :pedomustdie:
     • Maholmire
     @dcc @Maholmire Do instances still put the "mutant standard emoji" thing in their about pages?
     mutant_standard_emoji.png
     † top dog :pedomustdie: likes this.
   • † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 10:17:58 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:

     in reply to

     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • Maholmire
     @p @Maholmire mutant standard emoji?
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 10:23:42 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • † top dog :pedomustdie:
     • Maholmire
     @dcc @Maholmire Those super-flat ones with the extra thick outlines that all the lefty mastodongs use. They come with Licensing Terms. :brandt:
     
     When I found out about that, because FSE has a lot of stolen emchichos, I replaced "devil" with :devil: and "goblin" and "kobold" with Nethack screenshots: :goblin: :kobold:.
     † top dog :pedomustdie: likes this.
   • † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 10:25:22 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:

     in reply to

     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • Maholmire
     @p @Maholmire Ah, these postal 2 emojis are just the achievement images. :dont_panic:
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 10:35:46 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

     in reply to

     • † top dog :pedomustdie:
     • Maholmire
     @dcc @Maholmire Oh, that's cool.
     
     (I never played Postal. I saw the movie and I liked it until I found out that it had nothing to do with the game and this made me wonder why the hell Uwe Boll insists on just slapping a video game title on all of his movies.)
     † top dog :pedomustdie: likes this.
   • † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 22-Oct-2023 10:41:15 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:

     in reply to

     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • Maholmire
     @p @Maholmire Its styled like postal 2 but its not at all story related. But yea its quite good.
   •  (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 15:42:36 JST 

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • sim
     • william.maggos
     @sim @p @wjmaggos @amerika @jeremiah @Moon >I say this as someone who has been around since the GS days too so I have seen fedi change over time, for the worse from my perspective. More users doesn't make the experience better. It seems to have led to dividing the fediverse further and led to negativity.
     Husky_1698043303455_4WTC9Y8IRH.…
   • sim@shitposter.club's status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 15:42:37 JST sim

     in reply to

     • ≠
     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • william.maggos
     @p @wjmaggos @amerika @jeremiah @Moon Technically, we are now all using the alternative. GNU Social used ostatus, that was the default on the fediverse. But now we use activitypub, which is at least the second fediverse. With that comes the divide between the blockbot side of mastodon and pretty much everyone else. So you are right, we are the default on this side... it is the blockbot users that single themselves out. It doesn't matter how big either side is. Dark fedi is their framing and it shows their bias and need to see the other side as bad which is counterproductive, especially if you want decorum.
     
     I say this as someone who has been around since the GS days too so I have seen fedi change over time, for the worse from my perspective. More users doesn't make the experience better. It seems to have led to dividing the fediverse further and led to negativity.
     
     A lot of people will post like an arsehole because it is a filter, they know what upsets the blockbot side of fedi. But this is often on specific posts where the blockbot side attempt to take control with their suggestions, suggest to block instances which causes drama or bring their mainstream social media attitudes to a space where people tried to escape from that or got booted out from that. This behaviour is fueled by both sides. Is it fair to expect just one side to be nice without even addressing why they behave as they do? There is reasoning behind it. Remember, the fediverse over time has attracted a lot of outcasts seeking to escape the mainstream or being forced out of it for not conforming to it. Bring the mainstream here, and where do they get to go?
   • william.maggos (wjmaggos@liberal.city)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Oct-2023 19:07:32 JST william.maggos

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • realcaseyrollins
     • sim

     @sim @p @jeremiah @Moon @realcaseyrollins

     don't you think it can become "exhausting and unhealthy" for individuals or admins to have to block every individual account that harasses others?

     don't you think obviously lefty, gay or ethnic minority accounts get more of that crap than you do?

     don't you think there are more of those kinds of harassers than instance blocking admins?

   • sim@shitposter.club's status on Tuesday, 24-Oct-2023 19:07:33 JST sim

     in reply to

     • Moon
     • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
     • realcaseyrollins
     • william.maggos
     @wjmaggos @jeremiah @realcaseyrollins @p @Moon
     
     We can already see which instance people come from. But to answer your question... I wouldn't want to discriminate based on instances like that. I prefer to handle individuals as individuals and block as necessary, and only block instances as a last resort. I'm going to have my biases and impressions, but I don't want to bring them into my moderating. I think we can do better than this.
     
     Before mastodon blew up and we had the people set on blocking instances first, we had little problems with this. The worst was one instance blocking another over loli because of a legal question where the server was... and I think the tools were still being developed to figure out a better way to handle situations like that. Now you can get instance blocked for silly reasons. Even just one person saying something gets your whole instance blocked. People are too quick to instance block. Why would I want to cater to people that cause drama like this and I never know when they will turn against me next because they don't like me or something I say? I can be polite and it won't matter. I cannot appease them and doing so would become exhausting and unhealthy for me.