Interesting. This means that they just want what every human wants, a group to belong to, where they can pat eachother on the back and talk about things they mostly agree about. All mediums are perfect for that, IRC included. They just need someone to point them in the right direction. Tech has been taken over by big corps with an obvious benefit to keeping them uneducated and they use their grip on the masses to steer them to their next thing. Like meta working on a federated experiment, I read somewhere.
It's the clear fault of the tech sector that has allowed this crap to take place, lured by the money of the dotcom boom and silicon valley. We (I'm a techie, too) should have been advising people to get off these death platforms but we didn't. I, personally, as an IRC veteran kept telling people to get off facebook and make a website. To stop using whatsapp and instagram cause they're addiction personified. You may start to talk to family on FB but soon you're posting for likes. You may start to share your family photos with family on instagram but soon you're killing yourself over the imaginarily perfect life of your neighbor.
We let this shit happen and now that these tech giants are laying off people like there's no tomorrow for them (which is pretty close to true) we should all be feeling rather embarassed.
I actually agree, just coming from another angle. Very long post incoming.
We allowed this culture of "big tech" to take over the minds of normies. We glorified these "self made tech entrepreneurs" who came up from "nothing", selling the dream to young people. Wow, so much money so fast, look at these guys making electronics in their basements now they're super rich! People love a good story. What an american dream story, that could have been me.
Only, it didn't happen for everyone, right? As it doesn't nowadays, either.
I remember watching the Zuck movie and was getting pissed off as it went on. I resented that little shit in the film and his success. I could program his "amazing" friend network he started this all with at uni when I was 11. I built a multi-modem BBS system from scratch at 12. I know people who were even better. A friend created a hex editor in assembly at 11 yo. With it we cracked simcity's copy protection with freaking DEBUG on DOS in 3 days back then. We just were born in the wrong place at the wrong time (no big VC investors or silicon valley in Greece or any entrepreneurial mentality). I always felt guilty about resenting these guys, thought I was being petty and jealous. Probably am but life is not fair and jealousy can be a motivator, too. I was simply lazier than them, right? I did OK.
Well, after a while when I read Steve Jobs' biography and read about Bill Gates and the whole hacker scene back then I realized what was pissing me off about these guys. It's that serendipity and luck is the biggest success factor, coupled with being ready to jump on the opportunity and BE AN ASSHOLE. I met many smart and capable people that didn't get anywhere because they never got a break or because they didn't want to be assholes.
So, we made heroes of these people, a large percentage of whom are psychopaths and sociopaths, and they used this to humanize these big tech brands they created, these global for-profit over-your-dead-body conglomerates, that now control communication and culture even more than the mass media. The small companies of hackers we all admire transformed into this goo of PR experts, UI/UX designers and accountants and we just let it happen. We all went to work for them cause the money was good and we gave them our talent and they painted it with their logo. Now that they're laying off all the layabouts and removing the 'juice bars' at work and all that mythology is collapsing around their ears, what with the pandemic and remote work being rolled back into the corporate money barn, we'll learn. I hope.
So we may shill the fedi but that's IMHO still not perfect, either because it's very susceptible to corporate takeover, just like email. At least it's better than the other shit that's around. But we'll never get the "hero" prestige these people got, we're fighting uphill in the minds of normies. Big tech = good, free and good capitalism. Open source = cheap, unpolished, unsupported. But that's collapsing, too.
@NEETzsche They're not looking to chat, they're tourists. Start thinking of normies as tourists. They visit a place, bring their culture with them, expect to be pampered, spend zero energy on discovering this new place they find themselves in and pollute everything around them with shit and plastics.
Then they go back home and complain about the people in the country they visited, only to come back again, to be able to tell themselves they had the ability to "go on holiday" and "break the routine" and feel like their lives are not totally, completely and utterly a boring routine they endure while they wait to "go on holiday".
These people want something that is 90% similar to what they already know and 10% different. They want something that they can tell people back home they did and get social credit. There is no social credit in going on IRC and chatting. Instagram has the photos, facebook has the likes, fedi currently has the hype.
The sad truth is, nobody wants to really chat, they want validation. IRC was good enough until super-validation came in the form of facebook et al.
I was on IRC back in the 90s, too. That was a shithole as well. At least it did its job well, and still does. It just solves a use-case that normies nowadays don't really want, if they're honest with themselves.
This is the #1 issue we should be discussing. We're all freaking out about the results of fucking up our kids and not about how we actually fuck them up early on.
When you're a kid/teenager the future is this amorphous blob you can't think clearly about. People around you usually do not help: "you can do/be whatever you wish". This fucks up teens so bad (kids too). No, you can't be anything you want, there are things you're good at and things you're not good at. And there are things you just can't be good at no matter how hard you try, e.g. play the nba at 5' tall or be a space pilot with an IQ of 70. Or be a woman if you're a boy (I make a point not to forget to alienate that crowd in every post).
We should really stop: a) prettying up the grades so we don't "hurt" kids (and parents) b) coddling laziness disguised as mental or physical illness c) rewarding participation without effort - downplaying success d) overloading them with activities - taking their childhood away e) burdening them with ADULT things (like politics and ideologies) f) making them feel ashamed for things they can't change (skin color, temperament, height, etc) g) ignoring their need to be accepted by their peers (not their parents), which is #1 in their brain well into ages 17-18
The whole point of being attracted to a community in the first place is discrimination (of taste, of interest, of tool, etc). This is "dangerous" talk and so people just won't discuss it for fear of making progressive zealots have a fit in their living room and soil the carpet. But, as you guys say, it's becoming obvious how necessary it is. Let's see if they will actually admit they're doing it already themselves.
Kids also want to fly planes at age 9, handle guns at age 5 and drive at age 12. When was this ever about what kids want? Oh, right. When it's getting us woke votes, that's when.
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