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1. Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 10:19:45 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

   doing some ICQ research and I found that LICQ's homepage is still online, with zero hint that it hasn't been updated in 11 years:

   http://licq.org/

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 10:22:17 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • 90s Craig 🎢

     @90sCraig yeah, I saw the AIM server stuff, and that's what made me wonder about ICQ again. As far as I know there's no equivalent for the ICQ protocol, yet. So I'm trying to find information on how the protocol worked

   • 90s Craig 🎢 (90scraig@pb.craignt.com)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 10:22:35 JST 90s Craig 🎢

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     @foone I love this. I was just looking into AIM servers. Its so cool that there are folks dedicated (and skilled) enough to keep it alive

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 10:26:35 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     I found someone who said they wrote a server in perl and it's open source and if anyone wants it they can just ask

     https://lists.wireshark.org/archives/ethereal-users/200008/msg00168.html

     that post is 25 years old, do you think that offer is still good?

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 10:32:18 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     okay this page has documentation of the v4 protocol:

     https://web.archive.org/web/19991005224713/http://www.globalserve.net/%7Ejphowe/icq/

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 10:32:54 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     HOWEVER they used frames and an imagemap for navigation, and the internet archive didn't get the image. which makes navigating it a bit of a pain

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 10:38:25 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Ron Gilbert, Esq.

     @grumpygamer terrible. you deserve those x-ray specs

   • Ron Gilbert, Esq. (grumpygamer@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 10:38:26 JST Ron Gilbert, Esq.

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     @foone A few years ago, I mailed a coupon from a comic book and 25 cents for some x-ray specs and never heard back.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 10:39:05 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Eternal Shrine Yuki 膤 ❄️ 🏳️‍⚧️

     @yuki it works with the later versions of ICQ, which were basically just ICQ-themed versions of AIM. So it's not what I'm looking for

   • Eternal Shrine Yuki 膤 ❄️ 🏳️‍⚧️ (yuki@groupe-tazor.com)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 10:39:10 JST Eternal Shrine Yuki 膤 ❄️ 🏳️‍⚧️

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     @foone@digipres.club I'd trust more the one who reimplemented a AIM server fairly recently, apparently it also works with ICQ
     
     https://github.com/mk6i/retro-aim-server

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 10:41:10 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     got as many pages from there as I could (one is missing, the chat one), and got this for v5 info:

     https://web.archive.org/web/20010108011900/http://www.algonet.se/~henisak/icq/icqv5.html

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 10:41:41 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     and the v2 spec is here: https://web.archive.org/web/20010126060900/http://www.d.kth.se/~d95-mih/icq/spec/v2/icq091.txt

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 10:42:33 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     apparently v3 never was really used, so the important versions are v2, v4, and v5.

     I think that ICQ 99a/b used v4, ICQ 2000 used v5, and previous less common versions used v2/v1.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 10:44:37 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     and here's a compilation of icq-devel mailing posts about the v4 protocol:

     https://web.archive.org/web/20010208232145/http://www.d.kth.se/~d95-mih/icq/spec/v4/v4-notes.txt

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 10:45:21 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     a senior project about v5, which has some info:
     http://www.carfield.com.hk/document/networking/icq_protocol.html

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 10:49:44 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     well ICQ99 seems to work on windows 10, so that's good. Sadly I can't register my ICQ number.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 10:50:32 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     fun fact about this era of the ICQ protocol: It's apparently entirely UDP based, and I think it does UDP directly between users as well, rather than the server.

     In other words, it's exactly the kind of internet program that only made sense in 1996-1999 before NAT was a widespread thing

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 10:51:37 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • DHeadshot's Alt

     @ddlyh thinking about it yeah. specifically for the 1999-2000 clients, before it became AIM-flavored

   • DHeadshot's Alt (ddlyh@topspicy.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 10:51:38 JST DHeadshot's Alt

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     @foone
     ... Are you planning to relaunch ICQ with a new server as a service for anyone who still has a client??

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 10:56:51 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     their were proxies almost immediately, which used a local program that talked over HTTP to a remote server that then did UDP to the target (or their proxy) because any NAT, firewall, or proxy situation completely broke this

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 11:05:47 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     why doesn't my "gaming laptop" have wireshark already installed. this system is barely usable

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 11:13:19 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     a computer needs a hex editor, packet capture, Good text editor, SSH client, ghidra or ida, decompilers for C# and java, C compiler, pythons (2 and 3), binxelview, Dependencies viewer, DOSBox, UNP, at least one unity unpacker, debugger, relative-searcher, yychr, and emulators for at least 12 consoles & home computers.

     otherwise it's just a toy, like a Nintendo.

   • feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 11:18:20 JST feld

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     • Angry Sun
     @sun @foone When did ICQ and AIM end up being the same protocol? (OSCAR)
   • Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 11:18:21 JST Angry Sun

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     @foone it used a centralized server for identity and finding clients and then established a direct p2p connection between clients (that could be trivially spoofed)
   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 11:25:21 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     hmm, I'm using ICQ 99b and it seems to be sending version 5 packets? interesting

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 11:27:49 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     packets are encrypted which is a Pain.the encryption is trivially breakable but it means I can't use wireshark to see the packet contents.

     unless I add support to wireshark, which sounds like A Project in itself

   • Eric Gustafson ☑️ (ericgus@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 11:30:18 JST Eric Gustafson ☑️

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     @foone Well if you are going down a rabbit hole, why not see how far down it goes.. ?

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 11:30:18 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Eric Gustafson ☑️

     @ericgus I'm already going down too many of those!

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 11:35:18 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     oh I can write lua (eww, for low level binary stuff?) dissectors. that'll make this slightly easier

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 11:37:04 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     I'm gonna write python code to decode a packet from these docs and then I'll convert that to lua. writing it in lua the first time will be too painful, when I don't fully understand how this nonsense works

   • Ryan Finnie (foo@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 11:37:23 JST Ryan Finnie

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     @foone If it helps for reference, I once wrote a Wireshark lua dissector for 2ping, a low-level UDP protocol. Though as a warning, I haven't looked at it in about a decade, so it may not even work anymore.
     https://github.com/rfinnie/2ping/tree/main/wireshark

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 11:43:33 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Eric Gustafson ☑️
     • :flagSapphic: :PluralPrideButterfly: :dfire:

     @Sundrop @ericgus there's no daemon for this version, no

   • :flagSapphic: :PluralPrideButterfly: :dfire: (sundrop@gelatino.us)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 11:43:38 JST :flagSapphic: :PluralPrideButterfly: :dfire:

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     • Eric Gustafson ☑️

     @foone@digipres.club @ericgus@mastodon.social is it strictly a proprietary archival protocol or is there a daemon available for it?

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 11:44:08 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Ryan Finnie

     @foo thanks!

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 12:23:42 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     how is this decryption supposed to work if it starts at offset 10 and then does it in 4-byte chunks but the packet is 28 bytes long?

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 12:24:15 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     maybe I just need to pad all packets and they forgot to mention that

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 12:40:10 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     wait! Wireshark DOES support ICQ, it just didn't detect it in this case. Awesome

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 12:46:19 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     okay, my client is just sending the command CMD_NEW_USER_1 over and over, which is a "ask for permission to make a new user" command. I don't know what the reply is supposed to be

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 12:47:08 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • yuubi

     @yuubi that lets you select what server to talk to. so I'm setting it to my local server running netcat -lu instead of the long dead icq server

   • yuubi (yuubi@furry.engineer)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 12:47:09 JST yuubi

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     @foone "For Admin Use" 👀

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 12:54:08 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     my code doesn't work yet, but I did find where it's implemented in wireshark, and there's some Suspicious offset checks:

     https://github.com/giuliano108/wireshark-rtpmon/blob/master/epan/dissectors/packet-icq.c#L428

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 12:56:32 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     I started to open up ICQ in Ghidra to see if I could find any info there, but there are 38 DLLs/EXEs here. HOW MUCH CODE DO YOU NEED, MAN?

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 13:01:43 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     I missed the 11 that it dropped in C:\Windows\SysWOW64

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 13:02:13 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     that's 49 executables, not counting the OCX

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 13:05:01 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     not sure why it dropped a 16-bit DLL as well

   • Joel Michael (jpm@aus.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 13:21:36 JST Joel Michael

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     @foone so it works with Trumpet Winsock (may or may not be a shitpost)

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 13:21:36 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Joel Michael

     @jpm I don't think the rest of the software would work with win 3.1, though. Maybe an older version did, and they just forgot to remove the DLL?

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 13:22:10 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     icqsock.dll has a lot of interesting functions, so I'm looking at that one first

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 13:49:32 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     this is complicated and involves a lot of DLLs.

     I'm gonna need some kind of tracing system for this

   • Füsilier Breitlinger (barubary@infosec.exchange)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 15:23:18 JST Füsilier Breitlinger

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     @foone It's on the web: https://dflund.se/~pkj/

     More specifically, https://dflund.se/~pkj/Projects.html links to https://dflund.se/~pkj/ICQServer.tgz.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 15:23:18 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Füsilier Breitlinger

     @barubary ooh, thanks!

   • Prentiss Riddle 🎛 (pzriddle@mstdn.io)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 18:47:08 JST Prentiss Riddle 🎛

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     • myrmepropagandist

     @foone @futurebird

     I agree in principle, although as a vintage 20th-century programmer I don't know what half this stuff is.

     But I'll tell you what I miss on phones and other locked-in devices: a shell prompt and full filesystem access.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 18:47:08 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • myrmepropagandist
     • Prentiss Riddle 🎛

     @pzriddle @futurebird amusingly I'm using most of this for 20th century programming: as in, I'm hacking old 80s and 90s programs by using 2020s tools

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 22:21:46 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • datenwolf
     • Gorgeous na Shock!

     @datenwolf @indigoparadox is it because of itanium?

   • datenwolf (datenwolf@chaos.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 22:21:47 JST datenwolf

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     • Gorgeous na Shock!

     @indigoparadox @foone not sure if shitpost or honest, but: there's a very good reason why there's no System64.

   • Gorgeous na Shock! (indigoparadox@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 22:21:48 JST Gorgeous na Shock!

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     @foone "I was going to call it System64, but in the middle of naming it I just thought, 'WOW! Nature is beautiful!'"

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 23:10:02 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Eric Gustafson ☑️
     • Red_Shirt_no2

     @Red_Shirt_no2 @ericgus but I live in California! Ferrets are banned here!

   • Red_Shirt_no2 (red_shirt_no2@c.im)'s status on Sunday, 26-Jan-2025 23:10:03 JST Red_Shirt_no2

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     • Eric Gustafson ☑️

     @ericgus @foone
     Going to name our next ferret Foone (for reasons)

   • poleguy (poleguy@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 08:15:30 JST poleguy

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     @foone he's got a searchable name. Why not reach out? https://github.com/Saur2000

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 08:15:30 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • poleguy

     @poleguy it's been found!

     https://digipres.club/@barubary@infosec.exchange/113893108001812701