(I never played Postal. I saw the movie and I liked it until I found out that it had nothing to do with the game and this made me wonder why the hell Uwe Boll insists on just slapping a video game title on all of his movies.)
@dcc@Maholmire Those super-flat ones with the extra thick outlines that all the lefty mastodongs use. They come with Licensing Terms. :brandt:
When I found out about that, because FSE has a lot of stolen emchichos, I replaced "devil" with :devil: and "goblin" and "kobold" with Nethack screenshots: :goblin: :kobold:.
> As I said, on ActivityPub nothing ever gets done.
Good. Getting things done would interfere with the shitposting.
Is the point here to get some things done? This is a party, man, the problem that killed Twitter was when Twitter decided that it was Important, everything is Very Serious. Mike Monteiro was asked about linking to your Twitter account in a professional context and he said "No, Twitter's for dick jokes" and a few years later, he's raging about politics on there, everything's Really Fucking Important. Journalists make fun of "hashtag activism" and then a few years later, they're all doing it. Serious business. Advertiser friendly. A constant chorus sucking all of the joy out of life, singing as loudly as they can, "HOW CAN YOU ENJOY ANYTHING WHEN THE WORLD SUCKS?!"
@Moon@amerika@jeremiah@pwm@wjmaggos I don't know, I think there are certain types that are incapable of understanding the concept of an inappropriate venue. You used to see that with religion a lot, you now see it with politics or PvP. "There's literally nothing more important than (the gospel of Jesus Christ|social justice|inequity|scary Jews|Ethan Ralph|the culture war|liberating pedophiles|executing pedophiles), and you are a terrible person for trying to stop me from demanding that it be inserted into every conversation."
> a fedi server isn't a room, it's a portal to the shared space composed of the servers that federate with it.
"Call it a banana if you want."
See clip from @tomjennings from the BBS documentary. This argument has happened before in the 80s, it was a very similar situation. The difference is that the BBS was going to be geographically locked: who can you dial without incurring long-distance charges? Here it is not, but my position is exactly the same as before: instances don't matter, it's a box. I'm not going to tell adults how to act, and if they're ham-fisted enough to block servers instead of bad accounts (which, again, per the cited research, is a very small number even on servers that you are falsely accusing), and then they decline to even do the admin the courtesy of telling them "This guy is causing problems, we're going to block your server" then I am fine without them.
> pvp rooms are fine
Well, you can't stop them from existing but they're a blight.
> just don't expect any other server, much less most other servers, to be fine federating with that.
I have zero expectations of neurotic strangers. The thing I would like them to stop doing is hurling accusations and libel at the server and at me personally, but I do not even expect that. But you and I are here talking to each other, so we can address one thing at least: even if you view a server as a constructed community, there are plenty of people that do not view servers this way. I am one such person. Communities are self-organizing entities and a community that you "build" is going to be as soulless as mass-produced tract housing. Servers are inert. doesntmatter.mp4
@amerika@wjmaggos@jeremiah@Moon This is my thought, yeah. You can't get rid of David Duke without getting rid of Blazing Saddles.
Not just that, but you see people hop alts, change their names, etc. I think trying on a face and seeing how people react to that face is important for a yoof, otherwise they don't figure out how their society works. Maybe a teenager tries on David Duke: it's inadvisable, but so is anything a teenager does. (It's the major time of obvious bad decisions, then you get to spend the rest of your life on Byzantine faults.) You give "Because you're not allowed" as the only reason for not being something, people will do it anyway, but "Everyone will think you are a dickhead" is sufficient to deter most people from doing something that doesn't mesh with society. (The two notable exceptions being the actual dickhead, and the guy that is convinced he is correct. Actual dickheads are unavoidable and sometimes the guy that is convinced he's correct *is*. It's like an "Are you sure?" dialog, a social impediment.)
It's like Cunningham's Law, which I'm certain I've said something about in this thread but in any case cited recently: "The best way to get the right answer on the Internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer." Likewise, the quickest way to convince a teenager that they should not become David Duke is to just let them be David Duke for a minute.
> that doesn't solve the problem for the people who will stop using the service if they see that regularly from different accounts.
Are those people more or less interesting than the assholes?
Can you construct a rule that bans Fred Phelps but not a parody of Fred Phelps?
I mean that: this is a pointless discussion without an answer to that question. Banning a word throws out the Blazing Saddles baby with the David Duke bathwater. You cannot come up with a rule that can meet the requirements for a fair rule, but sitting down and trying is instructive.
A fair rule can be detected and enforced, the enforcement can be done evenly, a person can know *before* they do something if that thing will constitute a violation of the rule, nothing but a mistake of fact makes a mistake in detection, and it's not so onerous that it will be routinely ignored. Maybe the most important is whether a person can know before they do something whether that thing is against the rules or not: they can connect their action with the consequence. A rule that is routinely ignored also doesn't allow people to connect their actions with consequences: 99% of the time, nobody cares, but once in a while, someone will make a big deal out of it.
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