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Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:23:19 JST 
Shadowman311
Wyatt has once again predicted a Russian defeat in Ukraine, which means, and I'm sorry to say this Ukraine bros, but I don't think its going to turn out well for you - Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this.
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Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:23:27 JST
Shadowman311
@Elliptica >one's armed, informed, and supplied by the US military, and the other has the world's 3rd largest museum of military hardware.
So basically they are on even footing, since the US military isn't much better (don't forget that they got raped by goat herders barely a year ago)Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:23:30 JST 
Anime Wong
@Shadowman311 Honestly, at this point I can't tell who'll win. All I see is two retards fighting, one's armed, informed, and supplied by the US military, and the other has the world's 3rd largest museum of military hardware. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:27:37 JST 
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Elliptica @Shadowman311 We aren’t ones to talk. Lots of our shit is just as old, we just keep jamming fancy, expensive, temperamental avionics into the aircraft. The ordnance is kinda whizbang here and there but it’s not too common.
Our service rifle? Developed in the 60’s. B-52, Kc-135, B-2, B-1, F-16, F-15, all would rightfully have been called antiquated when our parents were in high school. Effective, yeah, but people really don’t know how much of our air fleet is running longer than anticipated.
They keep going back and increasing the lifetime limit on how much they can fly them, because they’re legally scrap-bound otherwise. Every “NEW” project is endlessly delayed and incompetent, like the tanker replacement that can’t even operate in moderate visibility….because they decided to do away with the windows and replace it with a system of laggy cameras.
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Weaf :jv::nv: (weaf@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:27:45 JST 
Weaf :jv::nv:
@EssentialUtinsil @Shadowman311 @Elliptica It was so good the Saudis decided they wanted Russian AD instead lol Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
EssentialUtinsil :njp: (essentialutinsil@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:27:46 JST 
EssentialUtinsil :njp:
@Shadowman311 @Elliptica can't wait for Europe to start shitting it's collective pants when they see how great their Patriot systems are in an actual war. -
Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:27:48 JST
Shadowman311
@EssentialUtinsil @Elliptica >Lets buy missile defense tech from a country that cannot comprehend any missile technology developed after the 1990s Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Dr. Rupert, Doctor of Shitpoasting Studies (rupertvonripp@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:27:51 JST 
Dr. Rupert, Doctor of Shitpoasting Studies
@Shadowman311 @EssentialUtinsil @Elliptica Bbbut muh iron dome!###111.
And here I thought defense grifters wouldn't let it deploy anywhere a missile bigger than a bottle rocket is common.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
EssentialUtinsil :njp: (essentialutinsil@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:27:55 JST
EssentialUtinsil :njp:
@RupertvonRipp @Shadowman311 @Elliptica they were begging for that too -
Dr. Rupert, Doctor of Shitpoasting Studies (rupertvonripp@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:27:55 JST
Dr. Rupert, Doctor of Shitpoasting Studies
@EssentialUtinsil @Shadowman311 @Elliptica Basically wyatt should stick to troon mocking because falling for NATO/ZOG wish casting is perhaps... over pessimistic? If ZOG weapons were as good as advertised Moscow would've fallen in June. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:28:22 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@RupertvonRipp @EssentialUtinsil @Shadowman311 @Elliptica Gotta prove how smart he is by going against the grain and hoping a gamble pays off to cash in on all that cloud-credit he bet on black
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Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:28:32 JST
Shadowman311
@RupertvonRipp @EssentialUtinsil @Elliptica Even then, those iron dome systems didn't do all too well when the Palestinians just decided to throw everything they had at it for like, a day. If some random dudes with bottle rockets can overwhelm it with supped up fireworks, imagine what literally any professional army could do. -
EssentialUtinsil :njp: (essentialutinsil@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:28:38 JST
EssentialUtinsil :njp:
@Shadowman311 @RupertvonRipp @Elliptica didn't they almost run out of ammo during the last major rocket attack? -
EssentialUtinsil :njp: (essentialutinsil@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:28:44 JST
EssentialUtinsil :njp:
@Shadowman311 @RupertvonRipp @Elliptica also, didn't Russia just move their hypersonic into full production earlier this year? Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:28:44 JST
Shadowman311
@EssentialUtinsil @RupertvonRipp @Elliptica Yes they did, the Chinese did as well if memory serves. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:29:17 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@EssentialUtinsil @Shadowman311 @RupertvonRipp @Elliptica Ah, FWIW america has hypersonics too!!!
(Okay they just test launched a hypersonic and got the program back on track….it worked this time! So that breaks the losing streak)
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Rayfield (rayfield@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:29:25 JST 
Rayfield
@EssentialUtinsil @Shadowman311 @Elliptica Hey, at least they managed to fix the software bug that rendered them useless after running for 20 hours without a reboot. And all it took was 28 people getting blown up before they decided to patch the (known) bug.
>The computer used to control the Patriot missile is based on a 1970s design and uses 24-bit arithmetic. The Patriot system tracks its target by measuring the time it takes for radar pulses to bounce back from them. Time is recorded by the system clock in tenths of a second, but is stored as an integer. To enable tracking calculations the time is converted to a 24-bit floating point number. Rounding errors in the time conversions cause shifts in the system's ``range gate", which is used to track the target.
cs.unc.edu/~smp/COMP205/LECTURES/ERROR/lec23/node4.htmlWoggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:29:32 JST
Shadowman311
@Rayfield @EssentialUtinsil @Elliptica Just when I thought my opinion of the US military and defense sector couldn't get lower, someone finds a shovel
>Brand new missile defense tech
>Based off software made in the 70sWoggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
「Under Divine Advent」 :gentoo: (teatootler@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:30:30 JST 
「Under Divine Advent」 :gentoo:
@Shadowman311 @Rayfield @EssentialUtinsil @Elliptica Only israel has the good shit that works and they won’t share -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:30:30 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@TeaTootler @Shadowman311 @Rayfield @EssentialUtinsil @Elliptica Come on buddy. Have you ever SEEN israeli defense tech? They’re the land of gimmicky bullshit.
WOAH combat pencil! WOWIE WOW WOW A backpack with a folding plate carrier for rapid deployment!!!!! WOAH a helmet with a gun built in!!!!!
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Rayfield (rayfield@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:30:41 JST
Rayfield
@Shadowman311 @EssentialUtinsil @Elliptica This happened in 1991 so for all I know they could use totally different systems now. I just like highlighting their stupidity. -
Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:30:41 JST
Anime Wong
@Rayfield @Shadowman311 @EssentialUtinsil Iran was able to get through it, so it's not much better. But I think they were also using a different system entirely. Kenny Blankenship repeated this. -
Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:30:49 JST
Shadowman311
@Elliptica @Rayfield @EssentialUtinsil They probably aren't, military contractors and feds are the laziest mother fuckers on the planet, reminder that almost our entire economy and infrastructure are run using COBAL, a coding language made in 1959 that maybe a couple hundred people on Earth still know how to program with. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks and Kenny Blankenship like this. -
Rayfield (rayfield@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:30:49 JST
Rayfield
@Shadowman311 @Elliptica @EssentialUtinsil last year I got a call from an old job asking me if I could look at their printer after a power outage. tl;dr their entire payroll system runs off an old desktop running DOS hooked up to a dot matrix printer and they have no clue how it works, how to fix it or how to modernize. They told me they were quoted somewhere around $25k to upgrade.
They were unable to print any paychecks until that printer was fixed.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
EssentialUtinsil :njp: (essentialutinsil@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:30:57 JST
EssentialUtinsil :njp:
@Rayfield @Shadowman311 @Elliptica most of the machines we build run DOS based software that was built by one guy over about 20 years, who is no longer working here. he still does occasional contract work adding minor features or fixing weird bugs, but he is basically the only person in the world that can service the software. No idea what we're going to do when our current hardware platform is obsolete and we have to migrate to a different architecture and the one guy that can do it isn't available, but hey, that's in the future. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this.Kenny Blankenship repeated this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:32:06 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@EssentialUtinsil @Rayfield @Shadowman311 @Elliptica I know a biz who has their entire flight department operating like that. It has little notes and fixit requests from the late 90’s. They just use it for dispatch and let the pilots do whatever for planning. These guys handle some expensive charters, too. They could afford it, but…..why?
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Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:32:16 JST
Shadowman311
@Elliptica The US military is a hollow shell that will crumble like wet paper in its next military engagement, invent all the copes you want, the writing is on the wall. -
Rotten_Meowser (rotten_ronnie@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:32:16 JST 
Rotten_Meowser
@Shadowman311 @Elliptica America has a crises of manpower. They need people who are able-bodied, who can maintain a basic level of fitness, who have the intellectual ability to solve math problems at the standard of a 13 year old schoolchild.
But they don't want White People and jews are barely 1% of their population and mostly elderly.
America does still have the Glass Hammer. Just by conventional ballistics America could cripple Russia as it did Serbia. If Russia goes too far the US could still detonate a nuclear missile in international waters and call it: "A Weapon's Test"Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:32:17 JST
Anime Wong
@Shadowman311 The US got bored. It's the bugmen they left behind who got rapped. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:36:01 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Rayfield @Elliptica @Shadowman311 Probably, yeah. But thankfully our grandfathers were smart and tended to overbuild things.
Not to mention the eagles…well most of our fighters haven’t really been flown hard, like dogfighting, for most of their lives. They’ve become weapons slingers, so you can kinda make the case that they can be stretched a bit.
Still, I’ve had this fight before, and it was terribly shortsighted the way we flew them all through the GWOT. We should have gotten cheap turboprops instead of blowing $40,000/hr flying F-15’s in circles all day to sling munitions on huts. We burned invaluable airframe hours that we can’t get back. I’m sure the AF was happy, it forces it so they can get more F35’s
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Rayfield (rayfield@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:36:02 JST
Rayfield
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Elliptica @Shadowman311 >They keep going back and increasing the lifetime limit on how much they can fly them, because they’re legally scrap-bound otherwise.
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Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:36:08 JST
Shadowman311
@Rayfield @WashedOutGundamPilot @Elliptica Yes but as I've said previously, they don't care about that, short term profits not long term viability, the people running this country will just book it to their (very new and well maintained) private jets and run to New Zealand or some remote compound in Africa the instant shit starts falling apart. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:36:52 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@deprecated_ii @Elliptica @Shadowman311 Of course, I just get tired of zoomer/redditors laughing at russkies and their AK patterns when ours is almost just as old.
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d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:36:53 JST 
d
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Elliptica @Shadowman311 well, there's nothing wrong with the M16 family. it's not like there have been great advancements in firearms since and there's really nothing practical coming on the horizon until someone cracks the caseless ammo problem or some other major leap forward
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Rayfield (rayfield@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:38:40 JST
Rayfield
@WashedOutGundamPilot @TeaTootler @Shadowman311 @EssentialUtinsil @Elliptica >WOAH a helmet with a gun built in!!!!!
SKULLGUNWoggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Eoka Pistol (mutsu_a125@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:39:35 JST 
Eoka Pistol
@WashedOutGundamPilot @TeaTootler @Shadowman311 @Rayfield @EssentialUtinsil @Elliptica reminds me of the Metal Storm shit which people wonder why it fails
"ONE MILLION BULLETS PER MINUTE"
*actually shoots about 30 then needs to be slowly manually reloaded, just an electronic version of a 19th century volley gun*Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:39:44 JST
Shadowman311
@deprecated_ii @WashedOutGundamPilot @Elliptica >There's nothing wrong with the m16 family
but you don't understand deprecated, we NEED a new billion dollar M5 that probably has worse production faults than first run M16's we NEED brand new untested tech when the old shit was basically the best weapons in history for almost half a century (and still haven't been topped by any of our competitors), we NEED to handicap ourselves to keep defense contractors on payroll.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Rotten_Meowser (rotten_ronnie@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:39:54 JST
Rotten_Meowser
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Elliptica @Shadowman311 >mercer Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Rayfield (rayfield@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:40:11 JST
Rayfield
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Elliptica @Shadowman311 >We should have gotten cheap turboprops
Super tucano enjoyer?Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:42:29 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Rayfield @Elliptica @Shadowman311 We would have gotten them, too. Except beechcraft (textron?) are faggots and held up the acquisition w/ court and lobbyists.
Actually I think the OV-10 would be ace, too. SOCOM got some money to try it out and they loved it. A lot closer to the action and they can hammer most of the targets anyways. At least then we wouldn’t be sitting here with a busted old fleet, hoping the F-35 gets its shit together enough to actually not replace them.
I’ll laugh if the B-52 is still in service just as long as the F-15….the way it’s shaping up I expect it to. The new specs are pretty sick, but that doesn’t matter when we won’t even buy them.
I talked to a buddy about the blue angels, they finally retired their original Fa18s last year….from what I recall, they aren’t even new super hornets they’re being replaced with. They’re like, early production junkers
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Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:44:04 JST
Shadowman311
@Hoss @Elliptica @WashedOutGundamPilot @deprecated_ii You can add random circuitry everywhere that needs batteries and is glitchy as fuck, you can make scopes that cost more than the gun itself that are filled to the brim with pajeet spaghetti code and poorly designed systems coded in the previous millennia. You do all of this while your opponent is just going to stick a laser pointer on the same damned gun they've been making for a century, only with slightly more modern aesthetics and still match you in combat. This is definitely innovation and not sabotage btw, the people at the top definitely have anyone's best interests at heart.
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Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:44:04 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii nobody likes it but I still foresee a time when this was done deliberately because the service sees the AR platform as emblematic of their enemy = white americans.
In the future they’ll demonize it even further, and herald the changover to a “better” gun as proof that america left ‘trumpism’ in the past. Plus they can give their negroid legions “OVERMATCH” and tell them that the smol-pp incel americans they’re brutalizing are carrying old, underpowered “racist rifles”
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Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:44:05 JST 
Hoss Delgado
There's only so much you can do to innovate on a device that throws chunks of lead really really fast. -
interalia (interalia@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:44:17 JST 
interalia
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Elliptica @Shadowman311 mfw
"The Remote Vision System (RVS) that feeds video to the AROS has been a source of problems including motion viewed in the RVS versus which can create a depth compression and curvature effect. [96] Blackouts and washouts on the video displays during refueling, caused by shadows or direct sunlight are a problem that will be fixed by the RVS 2.0 upgrade. RVS 2.0 is expected to alleviate problems in depth perception with new cameras and a full-color, high-definition screen. Boom operators with hundreds of hours of experience on older refuelers still prefer the KC-46, even with its current drawbacks.[97]"
They try to sell it so hard at the endWoggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:44:52 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@interalia @Elliptica @Shadowman311 Something funny is that Trump ass blasted boeing, either on this or AF1. He made them pay for all the delays out of company pocket, so now they’re actually spurring the horse to get it operational as quick as they can
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d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:45:01 JST
d
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Elliptica @Shadowman311 one of the annoying consequences of "gun culture" is people put way too much importance on small arms, like the choice of service rifle is going to tip the balance in an artillery slugging match
in the infantry, the riflemen are basically just there to protect the machinegunners and mortars who are going to do the real damage
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Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:45:48 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@deprecated_ii @Elliptica @Shadowman311 We have 20 years of gopro footage of “gunfights” that basically boil down to “man shoots at landscape, screams for 14 minutes”
I think we can learn something from it by now
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Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:46:29 JST
Shadowman311
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii Yeah and those negroids will just get decked by random country bumpkins and skull mask enjoyers with granddad's Remmington 700 and an AR-15 they bought at Cabella's. It's like poetry, its funny. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
🌲Hobo of The Dúnedain:confederateflag:🌼 (confederatehobo@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:46:35 JST 
🌲Hobo of The Dúnedain:confederateflag:🌼
@Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @WashedOutGundamPilot @deprecated_ii They're pushing hard for "smart" optics because they know niggers won't be able to shoot otherwise. It's a shame that these things won't be the Sci fi wunderwaffe they hoped for, like most flash over substance western money sinks. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:47:13 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii There’s a fun old interview around where the guy who designed the A2 m16 system basically says that he designed the sights to make it easier to qualify as marksman on the marine 500 yd range
That’s it. That’s the whole thing.
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nugger (nugger@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:47:23 JST 
nugger
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Rayfield @Elliptica @Shadowman311 FELLOW BRONCO RESPECTER NIIIICE
BEEN A FAN OF THIS TYPE OF CRAFT SINCE FAGGING OVER RHODESIAN FIRE FORCE TACTICS AND THEIR USE OF CESSNA LYNXESWoggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:52:06 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@nugger @Rayfield @Elliptica @Shadowman311 IDK how this program is today, IIRC the USAF was PISSED when they started trialing it
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Wolfgirl in Wheatfield (wgiwf@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:52:29 JST 
Wolfgirl in Wheatfield
@deprecated_ii @WashedOutGundamPilot @Elliptica @Shadowman311 You can blame that on all the focus on the "operator" obsession. Everybody goes on and on about Delta Force's or Alpha Group's mission specific specialized equipment and think everybody needs to have the same loadout.
Meanwhile the entire US military has replaced all their old good towed artillery with BAE's "wonderful" titanium paperweight the M777 at $3.738 million a piece.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:53:29 JST
d
@WashedOutGundamPilot @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica the daylight peep sight is pretty crap for anything else. I always leave my rear sight on the larger aperture, I can still make hits with it out to 250 yards easily enough Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:54:59 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@merchantHelios @Elliptica @Rayfield @Shadowman311 @nugger They’re the guys with the air mission. Parceling out close air support is always a huge bugbear because it threatens their funding. It’d be better spun off so the marines, army have all their own fixed wing guys SOLELY dedicated to support, so they could train and integrate better, but that would mean less money to the air force.
As it is they allow the other guys to run helos, that’s it though. Marines have some fixed stuff but that’s only because of the carriers. Not my forte of knowledge tho, might be wrong
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merchantHelios (merchanthelios@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:55:00 JST 
merchantHelios
@WashedOutGundamPilot @nugger @Rayfield @Elliptica @Shadowman311 pissed? -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:56:05 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@nugger @Rayfield @Elliptica @Shadowman311 This is a good rundown of the program
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Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:56:55 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Rayfield @Elliptica @Shadowman311 TBH if globohomo gave me a slot to fly these I’d say 60% chance I’d take it.
Don’t worry boys, I’ll aim to the left of you
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interalia (interalia@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:57:01 JST
interalia
@WashedOutGundamPilot @merchantHelios @Elliptica @Rayfield @Shadowman311 @nugger A bit ironic since wasn't that the AF's origins with the US army air corps? Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:57:16 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@interalia @merchantHelios @Elliptica @Rayfield @Shadowman311 @nugger Yup. Air force is such a mess.
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d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:57:57 JST
d
@ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @WashedOutGundamPilot wait until they find out the hard part is seeing the enemy Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:57:57 JST
Shadowman311
@deprecated_ii @ConfederateHobo @Hoss @Elliptica @WashedOutGundamPilot "Eh yo why deez trees sayin Hitler did noting wrong?!!" Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 07:59:03 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Shadowman311 @deprecated_ii @ConfederateHobo @Hoss @Elliptica “ay, deshontay! Loog! Iss’uh popeyes bag! Up inna tree! Loog!”
“ey yo juhmarquond don’ touch it mang look dere’s uh swassika carbed into thuh tree-“
BOOOOOOOOOOOM
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Whitewall_Blasphemy (whitewall_blasphemy@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:04:43 JST 
Whitewall_Blasphemy
@ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @WashedOutGundamPilot @deprecated_ii Niggers be getting V.A.T.S. cause they can't spot a bush honkey to save their asses. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:07:26 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Elliptica @Shadowman311 True enough, but it’s not young. They show off a lot of new-spec stuff like the -16V, or any one of the improved F-15s, but that doesn’t matter if they aren’t buying them.
Most of the backbone logistical stuff is ancient, too. C-130s, KC-10s, C-5s, they’re long in the tooth. May not make a big difference in combat, but it sure will when you can’t afford to have 30$ of your wing down for unplanned maintenance in a military accustomed to overnighting its parts around the world.
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Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:07:27 JST
Anime Wong
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Shadowman311 You are mistaking old for old. The US operates a lot of old equipment, some of which can't be replaced (they'll never make another B2 or F22), but a lot of it is new stuff (made recently) based off old hardware and software designs. It's considered "proven", or it's just cheaper (the US military is a lot cheaper than Hollywood wants us to imagine). It's the same reason the ISS is still running off IBM thinkpads with 98 and XP as their OS.
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Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:09:18 JST
Hoss Delgado
>tfw your whole squad gets mowed down by one of your own guys because the 4chan incel chuds hacked the military cybernetics you were all forced to get. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
White Dissident Radio :verified: (whitedissidentradio@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:09:32 JST 
White Dissident Radio :verified:
@Whitewall_Blasphemy @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @WashedOutGundamPilot @deprecated_ii So here’s the deal with combat and why whites excel so much at it.
Niggers are impulsive. Imagine being impulsive when 10 guys are blitzing you straight ahead and two guys are on your flank. Can you remain calm and acquire targets without going batshit and firing at nothing until your mag is empty? Can you manage ammo without shooting one guy 100 times because you’re a nigger?
Enter the White man versus the nigger in combat. It would be fucking over so fast.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:11:12 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii oh what I would give for the flight deck video of black air force students at miramar
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PvtProperty (pvtproperty@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:12:10 JST 
PvtProperty
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Elliptica @Shadowman311 Our military supply logistics are so beyond incapable of waging a serious war it boggles my mind. Free trade is a horrible idea if you want to have domestic military supply chains Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:15:20 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Whitewall_Blasphemy @WhiteDissidentRadio @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii Not reported. I’ve heard a bunch first hand, they can’t even fail them when they screw up a checkride, everyone’s held at gunpoint. Heard of screaming, panicking women diving the plane into the ground, niggers freaking out and randomly hitting switches in a blind panic, and every time it’s “well, if we fail ‘em then it’s gonna look real bad on the unit….and if they file a complaint about a hostile environment we’re in for a load of shit. Let’s give ‘em another try”
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Whitewall_Blasphemy (whitewall_blasphemy@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:15:21 JST
Whitewall_Blasphemy
@WashedOutGundamPilot @WhiteDissidentRadio @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii You think they keep that under wraps or just not reported on? -
Lichelord Godfrey (lichelordgodfrey@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:16:06 JST 
Lichelord Godfrey
@WashedOutGundamPilot @merchantHelios @Elliptica @Rayfield @Shadowman311 @nugger the US military seems to be designed to be as incoherent and incapable of working together as possible.
like each division is .. an individual division and the others don’t exist.
who was the idiot who thought this idea up?
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Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:16:19 JST
Anime Wong
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Shadowman311 Yeah, I was going to bring up the C-130, since that's the one my father worked on. But they are still making those, and I believe they even recently released a refresh of the aircraft. It's old, but not. I think they want to replace the F-15 with the F-35. We'll... uh... see how that goes, or if they eventually give up and buy Eurofighters.
A good comparison would be the Russian Soyuz. And old Apollo era design that the Russian's still use and update. An "if it isn't broke, don't fix it" mindset.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:18:35 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Elliptica @Shadowman311 I still don’t know which one’s better. There’s a lot to be said for simplicity, and the cold-war era hit a kind of sweet spot where stuff remains somewhat intelligible to normal humans with a machine shop. Our private, small aircraft GA fleet is probably even older, I see planes from the 50’s all the time, because you can sort one out over the weekend.
Not so much for the new stuff. I know one school bought the fancy new twins and it turned out training in them bricked the ECU because shutting down an engine for the multi rating training was a non-approved maneuver. For a year or so they had to keep asking factory technicians to fly out and reset it because nobody else had the access for it
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White Dissident Radio :verified: (whitedissidentradio@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:18:40 JST
White Dissident Radio :verified:
@lichelordgodfrey @WashedOutGundamPilot @merchantHelios @Elliptica @Rayfield @Shadowman311 @nugger They thought they’d be fine with technology. They thought they could have trannies controlling drones from remote locations. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Paleloon (paleloon@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:18:48 JST 
Paleloon
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Whitewall_Blasphemy @WhiteDissidentRadio @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii sounds like a self correcting problem in the worst way Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
White Dissident Radio :verified: (whitedissidentradio@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:18:51 JST
White Dissident Radio :verified:
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Whitewall_Blasphemy @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii I believe you because I’ve seen National guardsmen from Texas who could not properly load a magazine. I believe any story about ineptitude from the military until proven otherwise. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:20:30 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii Literal “she was screaming crying, and she just threw the yoke forward when we were 150 feet agl and mike had to grab it and fly the rest of the way. She was yelling about how she was done and she’d be out of the unit for good but then she went into dan’s office and comes out with an approval for a re-check. She tried to kill all of us, and all he said was “well, let’s see if we can fill in her skill gaps….we only have 3 women in the unit right now…we can’t afford to lose her or…y’know”
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PvtProperty (pvtproperty@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:20:37 JST
PvtProperty
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Whitewall_Blasphemy @WhiteDissidentRadio @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii Idk what checkride is but black ground crew and female pilots sound like an absolute disaster waiting to happen Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:24:07 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@PvtProperty @Whitewall_Blasphemy @WhiteDissidentRadio @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii Like a final exam for flying. YOu have an evaluator watching you fly alone and handle emergencies, one after the other. So it’s like a continuous worst-case scenario.
“woah, you took off into zero vis and icing with 150 people aboard, now fly to JFK. Oops! You were coming in and you missed the approach fix, go around and hit the VOR approach! Uh oh, engine fire on number 2, and it’s snowing even harder…..bring it on in!”
Military ones add in their mission, whatever it is, but often times it sounds like they really focus on the important stuff like emergency ops, landings in awful conditions, etc.
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Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:24:22 JST
Hoss Delgado
I've literally turned right the fuck around and booked a later flight when I got on a plane and saw a woman in the cockpit. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Paleloon (paleloon@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:24:34 JST
Paleloon
@WashedOutGundamPilot @WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii kinda wish all the competent people would just mass walk off till that shits no longer allowed but i know thats a pipe dream Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Lichelord Godfrey (lichelordgodfrey@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:24:54 JST
Lichelord Godfrey
@apropos @Elliptica @Rayfield @Shadowman311 @WashedOutGundamPilot @merchantHelios @nugger and the republicans are the descendants of trotskyists and just more overtly jewish-owned, who thus fear a military takeover even more because it means they get kicked out of power lol.
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of nothing (apropos@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:24:55 JST 
of nothing
@lichelordgodfrey @WashedOutGundamPilot @merchantHelios @Elliptica @Rayfield @Shadowman311 @nugger the military's been like this for a while, so it helps to take off the "actually everyone in charge is an actual drooling retard" glasses, and try on the "it looks dumb because it benefits some surprising purpose" glasses.
For example, you might want a disorganized factional military because you're more worried about a military coup than you are about actually ever needing the military to defend the state from serious aggression, because you're the United States and have oceans between you and every remotely hostile force.
And you might be legitimately worried about a military coup because you're a Democrat and your party's been infiltrated all the way to the VP by crypto-Communists. And you might *especially* not care about having an effective military force because it would be used against Communist countries.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:27:54 JST
Shadowman311
@EssentialUtinsil @Rayfield @Elliptica They probably don't have a plan for that, this entire system from the bottom to the top is just designed to extract the most amount of profits and then crumble to dust when it is no longer able to do that. Kenny Blankenship likes this. -
Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:28:22 JST
Hoss Delgado
Naval aviators must have the hardest tests. Landing on a carrier sounds fucking impossible. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
PvtProperty (pvtproperty@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:30:27 JST
PvtProperty
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Whitewall_Blasphemy @WhiteDissidentRadio @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii Oh okay I get you. So are they technologically compensating for BIPOCs and pregnant women being shit at flying or are planes dropping out of the sky going to be the new normal? -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:30:27 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@PvtProperty @Whitewall_Blasphemy @WhiteDissidentRadio @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii IDK. For now, the majority of pilots are white men 55 and up. Mandatory airline retirement age of 65, and they bumped it up once already. Could keep extending. We have few replacements in the pipeline, so you’ll see the boomers (mostly military-trained, no less, generally high-ish quality) leave and suddenly the pilots will get increasingly worthless year by year.
I fully believe they’ll keep one competent white dude with a solid background in the cockpit with every diversity hire. He’ll have her do the “pilot monitoring” job most of the time, and he’ll just never trade off the “Pilot flying” duty like we normally do.
I would seriously consider grabbing the next flight if I saw two fat sheboons on the flight deck, and I were flying in anything but clear, sunny weather. if there’s a white guy, eh, we’ll probably be fine.
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Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:32:22 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@n8 @wgiwf @Elliptica @Shadowman311 @deprecated_ii I did a big post on it a few months back but it’s not really my forte. It’s one of those classic “oh shit, this is exactly what we needed 15 years ago” weapons. Light weight, uses titanium and hydraulics for buffering, meant to be airlifted into afghan villages to provide fire support.
Giving it to ukes is dumb, it’s not really good for a sustained, non-stop firing schedule like that, and I still guarantee you they have zero idea how to handle and operate it without damage. It has a hood on the barrel, which I just KNOW some tard is hooking up to a winch after firing 20 rounds
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n8⚡⚡ (n8@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:32:23 JST 
n8⚡⚡
@wgiwf @deprecated_ii @WashedOutGundamPilot @Elliptica @Shadowman311 whats the story on the arty here? Sounds like a great tale of american cooperate corruption/decay. -
PvtProperty (pvtproperty@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:32:37 JST
PvtProperty
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Whitewall_Blasphemy @WhiteDissidentRadio @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii Oh boy. I cant wait. Nothing says "everythings fine" like periodic plane crashes Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:35:19 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@PvtProperty @Whitewall_Blasphemy @WhiteDissidentRadio @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii We already got them, bud. Jules aska is a fun case to read about. Nig got fired from multiple places, but the shortage is ALREADY bad enough that people will hire anyone with the time in their logbook.
There was a 737 that went off the runway a while back, I talked to a dude who said she was a well known problem in the company, and multiple experienced captains had written her up saying “this woman will hurt or kill somebody someday, she is a risk to safety of flight”
But….y’know, we can’t let the percentage drop.
Oh BTW look at this: United bought the lufthansa school in arizona, they’re trying to graduate almost nothing but roasties and obese sheboons. I hear they’re causing a lot of trouble down there
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n8⚡⚡ (n8@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:35:42 JST
n8⚡⚡
@PvtProperty @WashedOutGundamPilot @Elliptica @Shadowman311 niggas don't be understanding what army logistics really be lookin like dawg Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
n8⚡⚡ (n8@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:35:53 JST
n8⚡⚡
@WashedOutGundamPilot @wgiwf @Elliptica @Shadowman311 @deprecated_ii you CAN'T tell me that's a muzzle device and not a tow hitch 🤣 Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:36:39 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@n8 @Elliptica @Shadowman311 @deprecated_ii @wgiwf nothing better for a barrel than a harsh, rapid firing schedule followed by a rapid evacuation from counterartillery where you use the tip as the sole point of contact with the vehicle towing it at 30 mph faster than designed
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PvtProperty (pvtproperty@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:36:48 JST
PvtProperty
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Whitewall_Blasphemy @WhiteDissidentRadio @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii Oh I never heard about it. I guess thats the solution. Just dont report on it Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:38:02 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@PvtProperty @Whitewall_Blasphemy @WhiteDissidentRadio @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii To date, I’ve only seen 2 people entirely washed out of the industry, and one was a ME dude who didn’t speak any english, finally got in so much trouble at his training facility that the ATC head basically said he’d be involving the FAA to crack down on the people training him.
The other had an undiagnosed corneal degeneration issue, somehow passed his medical but couldn’t see much as soon as it got darker
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d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:38:24 JST
d
@n8 @WashedOutGundamPilot @Elliptica @Shadowman311 @wgiwf it's not unusual to tow artillery by the barrel
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Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:39:04 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@deprecated_ii @n8 @Elliptica @Shadowman311 @wgiwf That’s what I’ve been saying. With a trained dude who’s read the manual it can be done, with some care. But they’re giving it to panicked conscripts who just wanna live. No wonder they’re breaking down all the time
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Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:45:46 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@PvtProperty @Whitewall_Blasphemy @WhiteDissidentRadio @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii Boomers were produced by cold war mil complex by the thousands, the industry became reliant on them and never had to work on developing its own civilian training facilities. It’s phenomenally expensive to train, and nobody wants to pay.
In 2009 a roastie high on sudafed crashed into an apartment building because she’s retarded and panic-gripped the yoke when they picked up icing and stalled. As a response, congress made it so you need to have 1,500 hours in total flight time to sit in a commercial, part 121 carrier flight deck. In the past, airlines used to accept guys with…..eh, half to a third of that time depending on their resume, experience level, etc.
There’s no way to build that experience aside from teaching OTHER flight students now, there simply aren’t any flying jobs you can do as a low-timer. Not to mention, the forced 65 yo retirement age means that the kid with 500 hours now competes with an ex-captain with 300,000 in order to make 14 dollars an hour flying skydivers. That will get him to 1500 hours at a rate of 4 hours per day in the summer. Woo. In the end most make their time instructing. Boomers used to do banner towing, crop dusting, or survey. Most of those are now gatekept by insurance who, thanks to the boomer glut, have ALSO raised their minimums. Good luck getting hired with anything less than 500, maybe at 800 you’ll luck out. Or 1200.
9/11 cratered it even further. Lots of guys early in their flying career got out, never to return, it dampened pilot production for years. Now, we’re reliant upon the GWOT guys getting out, who were’t produced like the boomers were, or civilian retards like me who pay out of pocket for flight time until they can get a job getting paid to fly, then fighting with everyone else for the few actual hours that are on the table.
Great time to get into the industry though. As far as jobs go it has a lot of upsides, and for now most coworkers are much better than other industries. At worst I tend to work with boomer cons, and even then they’re anti-commie and leftist enough
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PvtProperty (pvtproperty@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:45:47 JST
PvtProperty
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Whitewall_Blasphemy @WhiteDissidentRadio @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii How the hell are people so hard up for pilots -
Whitewall_Blasphemy (whitewall_blasphemy@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:45:57 JST
Whitewall_Blasphemy
@PvtProperty @WashedOutGundamPilot @WhiteDissidentRadio @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii REAL pilot training, especially commercial is normally a vigorous winnow for dangerous defects both physically and mentally. Add to that the prospects of being an Ape-sitter, at ghat point the winnow is a jet powered debris mover. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
n8⚡⚡ (n8@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:47:41 JST
n8⚡⚡
@PvtProperty @WashedOutGundamPilot @Whitewall_Blasphemy @WhiteDissidentRadio @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii training is like hella expansive because shit be collapsing yo -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:47:41 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@n8 @PvtProperty @ConfederateHobo @Elliptica @Hoss @Shadowman311 @WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy @deprecated_ii I know a guy who rented out his twin for guys to build time to get to the airlines, so if they needed another 200 hours to meet the minimums, they’d somehow find $30,000 and just roam around.
He said he’s done, selling it off because his cost just to have it maintained and fueled was something north of $400/hr. When you’re burning 14 gallons an hour on each engine, and avgas is $9 bucks a gallon, and you have to tear a bunch of stuff down every 100 hours of air time, it all adds up quick.
Oh, and the insurance. Insurance is brutal for us.
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Wolfgirl in Wheatfield (wgiwf@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:47:49 JST
Wolfgirl in Wheatfield
@deprecated_ii @n8 @Elliptica @Shadowman311 @WashedOutGundamPilot “Logistics? Replacements? What are you talking about? There’s not gonna be anymore conventional wars, we’ll all die in a nuclear exchange with The Soviet Union Russia.
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Wolfgirl in Wheatfield (wgiwf@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:47:50 JST
Wolfgirl in Wheatfield
@n8 @Elliptica @Shadowman311 @WashedOutGundamPilot @deprecated_ii IDK, don't really follow that stuff. What I do know is that the thing has preformed badly in Ukraine. Unable to do simple repairs in the field (can't weld titanium), the recoil system quickly wears down (I think it uses liquid hydrogen or something) and the barrels also wear out quickly. -
d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:47:50 JST
d
@wgiwf @n8 @Elliptica @Shadowman311 @WashedOutGundamPilot I don't think they even gave them the fire control computers, right
artillery barrels don't last that long with heavy use regardless of the specific gun, and you just have to plan for that. but that kind of thinking went out of fashion before most of the serving brass even joined the military -
PvtProperty (pvtproperty@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:48:07 JST
PvtProperty
@deprecated_ii @n8 @WashedOutGundamPilot @Elliptica @Shadowman311 @wgiwf Oh. I just remember somewhere you mentioned. Do you know people still in? Is the military actually becoming less effective very quickly? I tend to take things with a grain of salt because a lot of people are always overestimating how quickly the US system is falling apart Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
PvtProperty (pvtproperty@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:48:08 JST
PvtProperty
@deprecated_ii @n8 @WashedOutGundamPilot @Elliptica @Shadowman311 @wgiwf D havent you served? -
d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:48:08 JST
d
@PvtProperty @n8 @WashedOutGundamPilot @Elliptica @Shadowman311 @wgiwf yeah but it was quite awhile ago -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:50:48 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@PvtProperty @deprecated_ii @n8 @Elliptica @Shadowman311 @wgiwf Most of my contacts are either separating or already out. I know one guy my age who has 4 years left before he can bail. He’s just sitting in hours-hell hoping to get some flight time. His unit doesn’t want to give it though, they know the more they let him fly the sooner he can get an airline job and tap out. The shots, the politics in 2020 all did a number on guys who may have even planned to transition into the guard to stay in the system.
I think the bonus for fighter guys was at something around $100k if they would sign a contract to stay on another 4 years. They’ve been bleeding all their qualified dogfighters for sure. They had a whole thing where the smartest, most capable ones refused the shots, too, so their training pipeline wasn’t just stalled in 2020/1 but gutted of all their top, A+ candidates
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Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:50:59 JST
Anime Wong
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Shadowman311 Yeah, I have two uncles who are engineers at Boeing, who have been working on the 787 for nearly as long as I've been alive it seems. Same with older cars now that I think about it. I had a battery die on me just a few days ago, and to replace it I had to remove the wind shield wipers. Something that should have taken me a half-hour ended up taking nearly two days. It's crazy how bad it is. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:52:18 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Elliptica @Shadowman311 They might have gotten their retirement last week. I heard that some smart people in the company were sounding the alarm when 500 engineers retired, they lost most everyone involved in the 787 from the start of the program. Having experience in making a clean-sheet design is invaluable…..and from the sound of it they let a whole lot of it go
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d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:52:26 JST
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@PvtProperty @n8 @WashedOutGundamPilot @Elliptica @Shadowman311 @wgiwf I don't think anyone I knew is still in at this point but I'd say the military has been rotting since ~2009 and it's in advanced stages of decay by now. Trump didn't really do anything to reverse the rot.
It's still very dangerous, simply because of the sheer amount of manpower and equipment it can field, but in a major conflict overseas I think the US military would have a pretty hard time and there would be massive psychological shock domestically.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:53:24 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@skylar @wgiwf @Elliptica @Shadowman311 @deprecated_ii @n8 Gotta make it light somehow, though. Kinda hard to make it without aluminum/titanium and that only makes it worse - they can’t weld the cracked legs back on in a barn
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Wolfgirl in Wheatfield (wgiwf@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:53:25 JST
Wolfgirl in Wheatfield
@WashedOutGundamPilot @deprecated_ii @n8 @Elliptica @Shadowman311 It's not a good gun to equip your entire army with even if they are professional solders. It's a ridiculously expensive not very durable lightweight gun who's selling point is that you can airlift it with a helicopter. -
スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 08:53:25 JST 
スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:
@wgiwf @Elliptica @Shadowman311 @WashedOutGundamPilot @deprecated_ii @n8 if it weren't a fragile piece of shit, being just under 5 tons instead of 8 tons could have been helpful for a poorly equipped army, lots more shit can tow that -
Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:04:57 JST
Shadowman311
@Hoss @PvtProperty @ConfederateHobo @Elliptica @WashedOutGundamPilot @WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy @deprecated_ii It will, wait a decade until leftists can infest the pilot industry with browns and women and mass casualty crashes will become so common place that it won't even make headlines and everyone will just sort of internalize that flying is extremely dangerous Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
PvtProperty (pvtproperty@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:04:57 JST
PvtProperty
@Shadowman311 @Hoss @ConfederateHobo @Elliptica @WashedOutGundamPilot @WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy @deprecated_ii It'll be another "bad neighborhood", where nobody is allowed to acknowledge what makes the neighborhood bad Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
PvtProperty (pvtproperty@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:04:58 JST
PvtProperty
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Whitewall_Blasphemy @WhiteDissidentRadio @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii RIP. Hope things get better for you and your work field. Knowing the US though it seems unlikely -
Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:04:58 JST
Hoss Delgado
I hope it gets worse. Eventually people like me will stop flying entirely and start seeing plane crashes not as tragedies but as the Darwinian purging of another few hundred cattle who will no longer be around to vote and make things even worse. -
White Dissident Radio :verified: (whitedissidentradio@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:05:18 JST
White Dissident Radio :verified:
@Whitewall_Blasphemy @Paleloon @WashedOutGundamPilot @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii Historically, that is the end of a country. When you have to kill people to make them join the military, it’s over. You’re now ripe for a coup d’etat. -
Living Space Studios :verified: (livingspacestudios@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:05:18 JST 
Living Space Studios :verified:
@WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy @Paleloon @WashedOutGundamPilot @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii I think we passed that point decades ago and yet we haven't had a coup in any western country yet. Even the "uprising" in Nazi Germany was democratic.
This shit only ends when pro-Whites make it end.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Whitewall_Blasphemy (whitewall_blasphemy@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:05:19 JST
Whitewall_Blasphemy
@Paleloon @WashedOutGundamPilot @WhiteDissidentRadio @ConfederateHobo @Shadowman311 @Hoss @Elliptica @deprecated_ii Yeah, I feel their gonna make it capital crime to ditch military nog sitting duty. -
Matty-kun :Christmas_kitty_bell: (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:05:40 JST 
Matty-kun :Christmas_kitty_bell:
Can't stand those uh.. "bad neighborhood" Americans. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:06:30 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@PvtProperty @Shadowman311 @Hoss @ConfederateHobo @Elliptica @WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy @deprecated_ii I’ll keep you abreast, in any case. Hearing a lot of “man….they’re hiring weird-ass guys these days. You’d never see these freaks 10 years ago.”
The desperation is only JUST starting. Still a lot of boomers and Gen X with 15 years to retirement. Once they go…..OOH boy.
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Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:09:59 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Shadowman311 @Hoss @PvtProperty @ConfederateHobo @Elliptica @WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy @deprecated_ii I hate women pilots so much it’s unreal. Not even just the performance aspect, so many I’ve seen are total whores. They just can’t handle the road life, they end up rationalizing the affairs when they hang out at the hotel bar after work, not to mention the pain of just working with them.
They don’t know how to just sit and be quiet on the deck. With guys you kinda let the conversation ride, and start listening to music, or podcasts, or something. Flying with women means you have to play nice and pretend to be engaged while they tell you about whatever stupid shit they’re into, or else they can start slandering you as ‘toxic’ or worse.
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dew_the_dew :verified: (dew_the_dew@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:12:29 JST 
dew_the_dew :verified:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/197096108/conrad-jules_adrian-aska
lolWoggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:12:39 JST
Hoss Delgado
"I just plug the destination it into my Tesla and watch anime for 17 hours. Yeah sometimes it hits a pilot or two but I just take it through a car wash after I get there and she's good as new." Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:12:40 JST
Shadowman311
@PvtProperty @Hoss @ConfederateHobo @Elliptica @WashedOutGundamPilot @WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy @deprecated_ii "Hey Jimmy remember when you used to fly everywhere for business? How you used to always bust my balls about not having enough miles to get into the admirals club? What ever happened to that? Why do you drive everywhere now"
"Ah well you know I just got a new car and you know, driving 17 hours is just so much more comfy in this new car (that I definitely didn't buy because of some other factors) and man just those planes are just so dangerous now"
"And why are they dangerous?"
*fluoride stare*Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
PvtProperty (pvtproperty@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:12:53 JST
PvtProperty
@Shadowman311 @Hoss @ConfederateHobo @Elliptica @WashedOutGundamPilot @WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy @deprecated_ii "Im not sure what you're implying shadowman" Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Peter (1967gto@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:13:06 JST 
Peter
@deprecated_ii @PvtProperty @n8 @WashedOutGundamPilot @Elliptica @Shadowman311 @wgiwf >and it's in advanced stages of decay by now. Trump didn't really do anything to reverse the rot.
Weren't some of the F-35's components made out of Chineseium? All sorts of critical industry was outsourced for (((profit))). Foundries? Offshore. Chipmakers? Offshore. More funding won't fix that.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:13:39 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@1967GTO @deprecated_ii @PvtProperty @n8 @Elliptica @Shadowman311 @wgiwf Yeah, that’s porobably the norm. I think they found out because the stuff was magnetic and messing with something. Contractors and subcontractors aren’t great about that.
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pyrate : sleigh captain (pyrate@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:49:32 JST 
pyrate : sleigh captain
It would require a few other things - not the most difficult items to procure, but yea. A decisive W is possible.
In Roblox. -
Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:49:32 JST
Hoss Delgado
What's more embarrassing? The "greatest military in the world" getting bitch slapped by sand people or the Wal-Mart militia? -
pyrate : sleigh captain (pyrate@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:49:32 JST
pyrate : sleigh captain
Meh, It's demoralizing - it's a hard math sort of observation for nations declining.
This presents a very dangerous and precarious position to be in. There has been a growing ideological purge and fracturing of the military for a while now - this is no secret.
It seems the influx of people on the payroll represent the oppressed peoples of the GAE Regime. Supposedly trained with the best hardware + combat tactics. Supposedly set up to deal with death staring them in the face with its ugly eyes, and be expected to perform their orders with whatever necessary deviance for survival. Surely
Yea, I don't know anymore either.
At least that's what a marine told me at the range the other week.Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:51:35 JST
Shadowman311
@Bro-Drillard @PvtProperty @Hoss @ConfederateHobo @Elliptica @WashedOutGundamPilot @WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy @deprecated_ii That'll come after they make flying and using the train system an impossibility, so this post is supposed to be in the in between. "Hey what are you doing? Trains are getting derailed and planes are falling out of the sky every day, fucking White supremacist terrorists again, stay in your hometowns! and don't leave the cities! unless you are a refugee" -
Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:51:35 JST
Hoss Delgado
>President Fetterman sells the highways to BlackRock
>$500/mo highway subscription available only to those with high social credit
>"Sorry chud, you can't use the highways. Don't like it? Heh, private company. Try being a better person sweaty."Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
BroDrillard (bro-drillard@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:51:38 JST 
BroDrillard
@Shadowman311 @PvtProperty @Hoss @ConfederateHobo @Elliptica @WashedOutGundamPilot @WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy @deprecated_ii Imagine thinking you'll own a car, be able to buy gas, and allowed to go anywhere... -
Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:51:46 JST
Hoss Delgado
I'd like to throw everyone who uses the word "toxic" into a giant human-sized blender and then extract the phosphorus from the slurry to use as fertilizer. Make their irritating existence useful for something at least once. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:52:15 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Hoss @ConfederateHobo @Elliptica @PvtProperty @Shadowman311 @WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy @deprecated_ii “toxic” is basically code for in the right, and it makes me uncomfortable to be around someone who won’t lie alongside me
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JohnnyAppleseed (johnnyappleseed@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:52:35 JST 
JohnnyAppleseed
@Hoss @WashedOutGundamPilot @ConfederateHobo @Elliptica @PvtProperty @Shadowman311 @WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy @deprecated_ii Carrier landings are hard enough in DCS, so I can only imagine what the real thing is like.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=xb1u_hnlliYWoggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:53:26 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@johnnyappleseed @Hoss @ConfederateHobo @Elliptica @PvtProperty @Shadowman311 @WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy @deprecated_ii Just think, a whole lot of guys flying at the battle of midway were only secondary pilots, where they got minimal flight training in addition to some other MOS like a machinist. I think 2 flights had only done their very first carrier landings a month before the battle, had very little experience at all
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Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:54:59 JST
Hoss Delgado
Or in the context of gaming "fun person who is gatekeeping horribly unfun faggots from participating simply by having fun like he always does" Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:55:52 JST
Hoss Delgado
That almost sounds more terrifying than storming the beaches at Normandy. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:56:56 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@Hoss @ConfederateHobo @Elliptica @PvtProperty @Shadowman311 @WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy @deprecated_ii @johnnyappleseed More than a few got lost, ran out of gas…got picked up by the japs, drowned, eaten by sharks, or flew right into the AA screen. The first wave of them flew towards the japs without fighter coverage, because nobody had told them they’d have to ask the fighters to descend down and cover them. They assumed they’d be there to protect them from the zeros.
They weren’t.
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Paultron-3030 (paultron@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:57:04 JST 
Paultron-3030
@WashedOutGundamPilot @johnnyappleseed @Hoss @ConfederateHobo @Elliptica @PvtProperty @Shadowman311 @WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy @deprecated_ii unfortunately the fresh ones who only had 1 carrier landing were devastator groups, who in this instance turned out not to actually need to be able to land on a carrier Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:58:08 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@deprecated_ii @Hoss @ConfederateHobo @Elliptica @PvtProperty @Shadowman311 @WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy a tradition other brave women continue to this day
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d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:58:09 JST
d
@Hoss @WashedOutGundamPilot @ConfederateHobo @Elliptica @PvtProperty @Shadowman311 @WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy kara hultgreen agrees -
JohnnyAppleseed (johnnyappleseed@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 09:59:52 JST
JohnnyAppleseed
@WashedOutGundamPilot @Hoss @ConfederateHobo @Elliptica @PvtProperty @Shadowman311 @WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy @deprecated_ii Only thing that might have made it easier was that those planes could land at a slower speed. But landing on a moving target is still a challenge, especially when you’re green. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 10:00:06 JST
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@johnnyappleseed @Hoss @ConfederateHobo @Elliptica @PvtProperty @Shadowman311 @WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy @deprecated_ii Particularly when that carrier might me on the watch for a surprise sub attack
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スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 10:06:00 JST
スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:
@Bro-Drillard @ConfederateHobo @Elliptica @PvtProperty @Shadowman311 @WashedOutGundamPilot @WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy @deprecated_ii @Hoss more like prevented from going very far by infrastructure decay
>it's 2026
>the state's head bridge inspector retires at age 69 and they hire a pajeet to replace him
>pajeet hires only fellow pajeets of the same subspecies with totally real engineering degrees from needful university in mumbai
>they spend all their time inspecting bobs and vagene instead of bridges
>meanwhile another old white guy retires and the state promotes Latrina Jackson, a 450 pound negress, to be the director of oversized load permitting on account of her years of experience with being an oversize load
>she does no actual work and merely rubber stamps everything
>then one day a 240,000 pound, 100 MVA transformer falls through the deck of one of the major interstate bridges over the mississippi, cutting off both lanes of travel and barge traffic below -
d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 10:06:03 JST
d
@Hoss @skylar @Bro-Drillard @ConfederateHobo @Elliptica @PvtProperty @Shadowman311 @WashedOutGundamPilot @WhiteDissidentRadio @Whitewall_Blasphemy I'm sure the preferred state contractor Deontay's Fried Chicken and Naval Salvage will be able to open up the waterways lickity split Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this. -
Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Thursday, 22-Dec-2022 10:06:04 JST
Hoss Delgado
Nobody will even be able to clean up the mess and fix it lol.
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