@Moon@shitposter.club I wish imageboard culture never got as political as it did and continued just as people posting about their EPIC FAILs and WINRARs and DESUDESUs and YUKKURI SHITEITTE NEs
@Moon@shitposter.club You know what happened just before 8chan as well? Moot decided to launch /pol/.
Also remember "/n/ - News"? It was the precursor to /pol/ and Moot took it down in 2008 or so because it fucking sucked just like /pol/ does today. No idea why he decided to try the same thing again and expected different results.
@Moon@shitposter.club I do realize that imageboards were always edgy and the posts have always contained a lot racism, homophobia, etc.
This was never different, but it does that the way it was done and the reasons why have changed a lot over the years.
Nowadays it feels like a lot of the edgy posts are not just offensive and edgy but are actually intended to incite hate and things like that. They are often trying to push a certain agenda first and be funny second.
@SuperDicq@Moon It did (does? been years for me) depend on the board though, like "homophobia" on /d/ or /lgbt/ is more laughing at yourself or friends. Which is pretty visible with calling everyone even yourself a faggot.
And to reuse a meme, in general I feel it basically went from "casual homophobia/racism/…" to ranked.
@SuperDicq when it got taken down maybe 90+% of the posts on it were interracial cuck porn trying to destroy the board. i believe he didn't delete it until fights over it made the board functionally unusable but i can't prove that.
i believe the reason /pol/ was introduced was that from the beginning it was being fed automated content to keep that segment of users busy rather than shitting up the rest of the site. the concept of containment board has been conclusively proven ineffective at this point however but at the time it was compelling.
@Moon@SuperDicq depending on the medium, /pol/tards eat social space and drive people out until they dominate it. i read an account by a woman who used to run a punk bar, basically her story boiled down to if you allowed nazi skins in they would turn the bar into a nazi skin bar in short order via this process.
a decentralized medium like fedi is probably loose enough to be at least very resistant to this effect though?
@SuperDicq I was on there the exact minute he took /n/ down, i refershed the page and it 404ed and five minutes later it was replaced with a page saying he deleted the board. i don't remember the exact words but he said something like it turned into a nazi shithole and later said it was for a different reason
@Moon@shitposter.club Damn, fellow oldfag, I thought I was the only person in the world left who remembered /n/ - News existing and getting removed for that reason.
@Moon@shitposter.club@shibao@misskey.bubbletea.dev I do want to say that I really like spaces like shitposter.club, my own instances and a few others that create an environment that really seem to attract the same kind of people that would've posted on 4chan back in the day.
@SuperDicq@shibao i admit that /pol/ is considered worse for some good reasons like being a primary cause of a massive increase in far right adoption worldwide lol. but things like child porn in /b/ i don't really care if people are sharing it "ironically" it just made it massively more popular for a long while.
@shibao@misskey.bubbletea.dev@Moon@shitposter.club Yeah without realizing that something as mundane like /mlp/ would of course never be capable of massively leaking out into the real world, attracting a different kind of people to the site and actually doing harm.
I do like posting about anime girls but I'm not a racist or edgelord. I did probably post a lot of edgy stuff as a teenager, but even back then I mostly still browsed boards related to hobbies and interests such as /a/, /jp/, /vg/, /o/, /g/, etc which I still occasionally visit today to check up on my favorite general threads.
@SuperDicq@Moon@clacke >Yeah it really does. Places like /pol/ and 8ch have really ruined the public image of imageboards towards the general public and also made it so people who go on imageboards for non-political discourse have become a dying breed. And it's too bad, because outside of the 4chan legacy boards and edgy shit like /baph/, 8chan had some really cool boards. Lots of little communities and passion projects were there, it was just stuck behind Gamergate, NEETsocs, and teenbro /int/feriors that spent 16 hours a day trashing the site.
>I don't think anyone who wasn't already there pre 2010 or so is going to understand imageboards by getting into them now. You're simply too late and the party is over I think. It's not hard to figure them out now. "This is where Redditors go to either vent in ways that would get them banned, other Redditors go to dunk on right-wingers, and they both only post soyjaks at one another." Modern imageboards are cancer, and not even that deeply right-wing anymore. So, so many Discord trans there. Even /pol/ has gone from Nazi central to an edgier version of the Breitbart comment section. It's where normal people go to pretend to not be normal.
>Yet somehow everyone is still familiar with things that early image culture gave birth to such as the act of rickrolling, epic fails, the game (you just lost), over 9000, the concept or trolling and many many other things originating from there. All of that died with Chanology. Moot may have been a little out of touch, but he was right, raids are AIDS. Even then, if you made a place where people would post Mongler and Yaranaika, it'd still be happening in 2023 instead of 2006. Do you know how many people went into WoW Classic thinking that if the game was going to be from the mid-2000s, the community would too, and ended up uninstalling when they got a reality check?
@clacke@libranet.de@Moon@shitposter.club Yeah it really does. Places like /pol/ and 8ch have really ruined the public image of imageboards towards the general public and also made it so people who go on imageboards for non-political discourse have become a dying breed.
I don't think anyone who wasn't already there pre 2010 or so is going to understand imageboards by getting into them now. You're simply too late and the party is over I think.
Yet somehow everyone is still familiar with things that early image culture gave birth to such as the act of rickrolling, epic fails, the game (you just lost), over 9000, the concept or trolling and many many other things originating from there.
>And it's too bad, because outside of the 4chan legacy boards and edgy shit like /baph/, 8chan had some really cool boards. Lots of little communities and passion projects were there, it was just stuck behind Gamergate, NEETsocs, and teenbro /int/feriors that spent 16 hours a day trashing the site.
You forgot Bui. The dude was literally who you'd see if you looked at who an online, out of control, turbosperg was. The only good thing he ever did was start Yiff.Party. Everything else he did was turboaids. You might not know the full lore if you weren't on /furry/ but I remember much of it and I'm sure someone who was around at the time has something to add.
>Be British autist >Be on /furry/ and mad you're not a janny or that your Pokemon paw RP board (or something) isn't gaining enough traction. >Get revenge daily in autistic ways.
>Take on persona of popular (at the time) Pokemon porn artist on Pixiv, watch as dumbshit channers thought said artist telling people to fuck off in English meant he really knew it. >Add people who wouldn't RP with you to addmecontacts.com, ensuring they'd get a constant flow of 419 scammers and pajeets adding them. >Spam the topboards and /furry/ so hard you force cripplekike/Jim to add frequent captchas to the site to ward off the attack, constantly break the code to the point that Infinity Next was proposed as a solution. >Use Hola VPN to flood all the topboards with requests for people to paw RP with him, end up exposing the fact Hola turned users into exit nodes with it. >Keep finding exploits and bugs in 8chan because 8chan's code is bug filled trash.
The cherry on top of the shitcake is when PuppySky became board owner and proceeded to in typical furry fashion, play TF2 a fuckload instead of removing spammers. This would kill /furry/ and /fur/ had a spam filter to the point it was inactive. It's speculated that Bui was part of this new /fur/ admin group or some shit, I remember he had a high role on the shitcord.
Either way, the end result is that everyone wound up fucking off to the ghetto known as 4chan's /trash/ which is a bunch of niche groups fighting to not be bumped off the catalog by spammers, or the users assimilated into the mainstream fandom and trooned out, hoping you'll never find out about the days they were jacking it to kemoshota threads or openly bragging about pirating pay content. Gee, isn't it convenient that any sort of furry group that might have those opposed to the mainstream furry troon leftism tends to fold in on itself?
You need to understand it goes back deeper, SRS was literally populated by SomethingAwful goons and namely the "catlady" subculture (which bloomed because of Lowtax binging pills and a raid on a forum full of women who were impressed by the goons and joined up).
I only saw it come up when the GamerGate saga went on, everyone began to talk in that scene about the SRS tale and why so many anti-GG people were ex-goons, including Zoe Quinn. There's a greentext on ED about their origin story.
I literally don't know much about SA other than what ex members told me and how it seems to be a centralized hub of retardation.
@PhenomX6@clacke@SuperDicq@Moon I did. I avoided that nonsense because I didn't IRC and I wasn't into the furry niche. I remember Bui DDoSing the site and Firetires treating his autistic screeching like he was just doing pentesting or helping debug or something.
Between the furry drama, the Masterchan chomos, /int/, and watching their /pol/ descend into madness, it's a small miracle it stayed around as long as it did.
I got a front seat view to it because of being in the furry subculture. /furry/ was unique because it was basically the place where furries went where they wouldn't get jannied by Dragoneer and NotMeNotYou and it wasn't a dead gay site like lulz.net is, nor was it a "post only" imageboard like u18chan kinda is. Furry artists and website owners are mentally unstable spastics, so a place to just share furry art without butthurt furries shitting things up was great, moreso after the Patreon cancer hit.
Patreon basically fucked over the furry artist scene hard, and one went from being able to find tons of talented artists who had commissions open to doing Patreon and getting paid to exist (see Spoony for a non furry example) along with Twitter making you ask "why would I give money to this douchebag".
Anyhow, there hasn't been a replacement to it, and it's probably hard to with how you risk getting fucked over by some schizo. I am 100% sure that some furry artist would fake their suicide and try to extort a webmaster to have their images removed. Or some autist reporting you to your ISP (unless you're big enough and not in their face, like Inkbunny is in the eyes of most furries). The only reason the KF furry subforum has stayed up so long despite the site being the worst example of dramawhore behavior is Josh is not a furry, furries lack blackmail on him, and threats to ban him from Anthrocon do nothing to him since he has no interest in going to a furry con. That would be the best person to run a furry site with minimal censorship, someone with no skin in the game and no chance of being extorted/blackmailed.
> Places like /pol/ and 8ch have really ruined the public image of imageboards towards the general public
I'm not sure if I can agree with this statement. Imageboard was always the mainstream devil, it just used to be the conservative's on Fox and co. When it became the Democrat shitlibs' devils, other people finally got on the program
@mrsaturday@Moon@SuperDicq@clacke Do NOT forget that Fox news showed a segment about 4chan with some exploding van or some shit coming from a G4 show, IIRC
@coolboymew@clacke@SuperDicq@Moon@mrsaturday I remember it being pretty common in adjacent chats for raids etc. "I accidentally broke opsec" "consider curtains and maybe a dog" "look out for any exploding vans"
Something sensitive had the stories posted about how he let catladies take over the site. After he died the new owner posted a story about how he blew his chance to sell to the guys who'd buy reddit as well.
@PhenomX6@CumskinFoidPuncher69420@SuperDicq@Moon I used Something Awful quite a lot from about 2001-2013. I remember when they were posting photoshopped 9/11 jokes on the same day 9/11 happened.
But Lowtax was too lax about babysitting the insane communist boards, so they took over the site and he killed himself.
@mrsaturday@CumskinFoidPuncher69420@Moon@PhenomX6@SuperDicq true, he only cared about his own website when threatened by the feds or advertising food and drinks. he had a meltdown about Mangosteen, got made fun of by his own website, and then he largely became absent until he died.
@PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com What I kinda hate about the furry community is that to me they often seem to actually be in favour of enforcing copyright, which I despise.
"nnooo dont hecking share this artist's on here, it is a patreon exclusive!!!" "this are stickers of my fursona that I commissioned, you can't just use them without my hecking permission!!!" etc.
@SuperDicq@PhenomX6 It's common for furries to make animal+food fusions then claim they're closed species, and demand people pay them to be allowed to have fursonas of those species. Things like a dog made of bread, a rabbit made of chocolate, etc.
@SuperDicq@PhenomX6 Nooo you can't make a food themed animal!!! I invented food themed animals, they're a closed species!!!! That's COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT I'M REPORTING YOU!!!!!!