Notices by 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org), page 16

@rrb @pj @DutyBard

Paywall means i cant read.. but based kn the title it stands a good chance of beibg a bad faitb argument like i described.

A gun in the house is more likely when you live in an area that is dangerous. Therefore even if the correlation exists it isnt in good faith to the intended argument which is causation

@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven @robryk

Id agree but i think it needs to be less punishment oriented and more recovery oriented. If your on parol i think its ok to have to prove yourself

@robryk @thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven

While that might aflddress part of the concern it seems a recipie for abuse, especially in a field that is known for quite an abundance of false positives and inconsistency when it comes to diagnosing.

Its basically the equivelant of saying "Get some government agent to talk to you, if you feel suspicious you can just deny them a gun"... i mean if you want to create a standardized test for it maybe, but even then sounds like a recipie for abuse.

@admitsWrongIfProven @thatguyoverthere

I lived for 30 out of my 40 years in the USA. Ive been threatened at knife point twice, ive never once been threatened with a gun in person.

@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven

Its worse than that... if the consequence of struggling with mental health and seeing a doctor has the consequence of revoking ones rights the end result is people who care about being able to buy a gun will go out of their way not to talk about or seek medical help for their mental illnesses.

The end result is increasing the number of people that get no help with their mental illness and a lot more of the wrong sort of people owning guns.

@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven

Yea but in private sales you dont have to transfer ownership at the point of sale. Sometimes you dont have to record it at all

@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven

Public gu sales require a paper trail be kept. This is a bigger issue for me than just the background check

@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven

Circumventing the law on taxes cause they are too high is not the way to address it. Im all for lowering taxes but not by illegally avoiding them.

That said id be ok with private sales being untaxed

@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven

I mean i dont mind private sales. But yea they should be taxed and follow regulation ideally.

@admitsWrongIfProven

No i was quite clear i was talking about a specific type of commonly proposed restriction, banning.

@stormy178 @MelodyCooper

@thatguyoverthere

Depends on the state but yea

@stormy178 @MelodyCooper @admitsWrongIfProven

@admitsWrongIfProven

I dont think you can see the toot i replied to, the person blocked me.

I am not against background checks in their current form, which is thurough and complete.

The one issue with the current setup is loopholes at gun shows. But that doesnt appear to be a huge source of actual problems so yra im for background checks as they exist today.
@stormy178 @MelodyCooper

@stormy178 @MelodyCooper

And when someone staps someone or beats them with a bat do we cry about how bats are legal... Yes there is a problem, but absurd solutions like making guns illegal is obviously not the answer.

@MelodyCooper

What an ignorant and uninformed way to view the problem.

It sounds pretty much equivalent to saying things like:

"Oh why oh why are cars still legal when kids are dying in car accidents"

Or even worse yet: "If we made vaccines illegal people would stop dying of vaccines.

The reason is because these viewpoints are ignorant of the big picture. Guns save lives, and prevent incidents from happening, they also cause incidents. Any real argument looks at all of that at frames the issue as one of violence first and foremost.

No we arent "oh but we like our toys".. no its more like "Well these tools help us prevent deaths too, so we wont give them up over a poorly framed emotional argument.

@stormy178

@AmpBenzScientist

Tons of physjcs stuff out there that leverages guns. Yes they serve many purposes beyond killing

@MelodyCooper @stormy178

@pj @thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven @mike805 @lmrocha

In tbis case im refering to the fact that he is just trolling at this point. Earlier it wasnt bad faith... but also no important, he isnt doing anything wrong.

@pj

I have no real issue with admits. Like yea its bad faith argument but nothing so vile that i had to raise ajy real issues.

@thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven @mike805 @lmrocha

@thatguyoverthere

Yea its been escalating. Very common when a person runs out of runway for their argument.

@mike805 @admitsWrongIfProven @lmrocha @pj

@thatguyoverthere

We passed in hyper ole town a long time ago.

@mike805 @admitsWrongIfProven @lmrocha @pj

@thatguyoverthere

It really is hard to get a good faith discussion.. I guess that would risk having to accept that maybe its not as clear cut as the talking points suggest

@mike805 @lmrocha @pj