So, now we’ve got police going to the wrong address and shooting innocent civilians, and white civilians shooting innocent black kids who ring the wrong doorbell. The persistence of hate narratives and shoot-first-ask-questions-later knee jerk reactions show how absolutely dangerous an #NRA fueled gun society is. Their answer: More Guns! Because “guns aren’t the problem. People are the problem.” My question: So why in God’s name would you give guns to the problem?
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Melody Cooper (melodycooper@mastodon.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 19:23:10 JST 
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mike805 (mike805@fosstodon.org)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 19:22:51 JST 
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@freemo @AmpBenzScientist @MelodyCooper @stormy178 Just about all tech is descended from weapons! The two basic human technologies are fire and sharp objects; everything else comes from those two.
More specifically, engines are descended from cannon. Newcomen was having no success with his steam power experiments until he hired a cannon maker to produce the cylinders. Then he finally had a good enough seal to make his engine work.
However, I read that cannon are descended from church bells.
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🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 19:22:53 JST 
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Tons of physjcs stuff out there that leverages guns. Yes they serve many purposes beyond killing
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ampbenzscientist@qoto.org's status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 19:23:00 JST 
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@freemo @MelodyCooper @stormy178 Someone has to be this person so I'll proceed. Firearms are really cool and very dense in Physics and Engineering. With the War on X mentality, education has suffered.
The CETME's history and the development of the AR-15 are absolutely insane. Ian McCollum with Forgotten Weapons has really cool videos on the subjects.
It really says something when my interest in Electrochemistry was sparked by Uncle Fester. Fast forward to me using that information to protect structures from corrosion. It was 4 or 5 graduate level texts later but it still sparked that thirst for knowledge and eventual application.
Give kids every chance to stand in pure awe of something. One moment for me was seeing a real SR-71 in person. I couldn't touch it but still I got moved along by guards because I was paying too much attention. It was being serviced and I was able to see a little bit of the turbines. Not even porn has been that interesting. A crude example but it was that amazing. I can still visualize that section rather vividly approximately 24 years later.
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🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 19:23:01 JST
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What an ignorant and uninformed way to view the problem.
It sounds pretty much equivalent to saying things like:
"Oh why oh why are cars still legal when kids are dying in car accidents"
Or even worse yet: "If we made vaccines illegal people would stop dying of vaccines.
The reason is because these viewpoints are ignorant of the big picture. Guns save lives, and prevent incidents from happening, they also cause incidents. Any real argument looks at all of that at frames the issue as one of violence first and foremost.
No we arent "oh but we like our toys".. no its more like "Well these tools help us prevent deaths too, so we wont give them up over a poorly framed emotional argument.
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Melody Cooper (melodycooper@mastodon.world)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 19:23:02 JST
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@freemo @stormy178 With children being shot, sir, you should be replying that guns should be more regulated. Demand BETTER RESTRICTIONS and background checks. Your knee jerk reaction “Don’t ya take my guns” is a sad and tired old record. It shows lack of compassion and refusal to see the crisis that we are truly in right now. For those of you who are Christian, I always wonder WWJD? If he angrily threw out the money changers imagine what he would do to the NRA.
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🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 19:23:04 JST
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And when someone staps someone or beats them with a bat do we cry about how bats are legal... Yes there is a problem, but absurd solutions like making guns illegal is obviously not the answer.
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Stormy178 (stormy178@mastodon.stormy178.com)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 19:23:09 JST 
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@MelodyCooper honestly well stated.
The trigger happy folks shouldn't get such weapons, not without EXTREMELY thorough background checks and VERY strict training. -
Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 19:44:27 JST 
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@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven @stormy178 @MelodyCooper loophole means private sale right? -
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 19:44:28 JST
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I dont think you can see the toot i replied to, the person blocked me.
I am not against background checks in their current form, which is thurough and complete.
The one issue with the current setup is loopholes at gun shows. But that doesnt appear to be a huge source of actual problems so yra im for background checks as they exist today.
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NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 19:44:29 JST 
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@freemo @stormy178 @MelodyCooper
Hmm, there is a disconnect: it was stated that guns should be regulated, with strict background checks. Your reply talks of "making guns illegal".Did you reply to the wrong toot here or do you think background checks are a bad thing? If so, do you wish for people with known agression problems (psychological disorders or former history of violent crimes) to be able to have guns?
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🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 19:48:18 JST
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Depends on the state but yea
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NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 20:00:17 JST
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@freemo And who you responded to was quite clear that background checks matter.
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🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 20:00:18 JST
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No i was quite clear i was talking about a specific type of commonly proposed restriction, banning.
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NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 22-Apr-2023 20:00:19 JST
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@freemo @stormy178 @MelodyCooper
You might want to state that, the toot history i read showed you ignoring the distinction between banning and background checks... it changes the meaning completely. -
GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Sunday, 23-Apr-2023 04:16:07 JST 
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If they ban the "gunshow loophole" which is a bullshit lie, then I guess the Whites can always buy guns from the trunks of Cadillacs in Chicago right?
Laws haven't stopped them at all. ATF also allows them to have fully automatic switches on their pistols too.
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SnowBroker:nv::pondering_orb::njp: (shadowbroker2135@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 23-Apr-2023 04:16:18 JST 
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@GabeLakmann @stormy178 @MelodyCooper @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo @thatguyoverthere Every gun show I've been to, even small ones are crawling with cops checking IDs and purchases. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: likes this. -
SnowBroker:nv::pondering_orb::njp: (shadowbroker2135@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 23-Apr-2023 04:19:32 JST
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@BigTLarrity @stormy178 @MelodyCooper @GabeLakmann @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo @thatguyoverthere I'd feel more comfortable making a japanese blunderbuss than trying to buy a weapon at a gun show. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: likes this. -
Big T Larrity (bigtlarrity@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Sunday, 23-Apr-2023 04:19:33 JST 
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I haven't been to a gun show since around 2017. The last one I went to quite literally had more cop presence than actual people looking to buy or sell. There were probably 400 cops there and maybe 200 attendees -
Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 23-Apr-2023 04:20:09 JST
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@Shadowbroker2135 @stormy178 @MelodyCooper @BigTLarrity @GabeLakmann @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo or the fgc-9 or plastikov. There is no way to take guns away from determined people. -
Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 23-Apr-2023 04:24:07 JST
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@admitsWrongIfProven @stormy178 @MelodyCooper @BigTLarrity @GabeLakmann @Shadowbroker2135 @freemo yeah and f-15s is another common argument when you get into the people vs government debate, but realistically speaking the government is more likely to send guns after guns than any kind of artillery or explosive if they can. Nukes, bombs, and fighter jets would destroy infrastructure which a government isn't likely to do to itself. -
NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 23-Apr-2023 04:24:08 JST
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@thatguyoverthere @stormy178 @MelodyCooper @BigTLarrity @GabeLakmann @Shadowbroker2135 @freemo Nukes. Nukes work, the guns are just part of the glass crater then.
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NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 23-Apr-2023 04:34:46 JST
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@freemo Eh, if i stay on-topic, its bad. If i go off-topic by pointing out there is another, more important underlying problem, also bad.
I generally don't see guns as the reason there are problems, but immediately, less guns means less holes in people while the problems are being fixed. Nothing more.
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🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 23-Apr-2023 04:34:47 JST
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@admitsWrongIfProven im just pointing out what you literally said in the message i responded to.
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NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 23-Apr-2023 04:34:48 JST
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@freemo You really think i do? Or am i misreading this and taking it personal for no reason?
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🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 23-Apr-2023 04:34:50 JST
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@admitsWrongIfProven @GabeLakmann
The things is i care about what is tbe most usefulnpath, full stop... you seem to care about the dicussion if and only if it frames guns as thr core problem. You literally go in with an incorrect and biased "fact" as a premis. That will never work.
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NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️ (admitswrongifproven@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 23-Apr-2023 04:34:51 JST
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@GabeLakmann @freemo
There were some toots where freemo acknowlegded that there are underlying problems. I'd say the discussion is pretty far off from any useful path, with guns as core topic. -
GabeLakmann (gabelakmann@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Sunday, 23-Apr-2023 04:39:31 JST
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I've seen otherwise but it's been about 2 years since I've been to one. I also live in a different area but it is still bullshit they do that.
I've heard of atf driving around and scanning license plates too.Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: likes this.
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