Notices by frogzone@wizard.casa, page 2

@silverpill yeah i read about both a few days ago, when server updates i'll test and remove :)

Bug 1: i was able to work out how to make fake paragraphs for my bio by placing an &nbsp; on a line by itself. i do think paragraphs are good for readability. not sure how other fedi instances do it, but if we assume the bio always starts with <p> and ends with </p> then when you encounter a blank line input maybe just change that to "</p><p>" ???

Bug 3 - in the search bar in mitra, if i just type "fediverse" it wont give any results, i need to type "#fediverse", either we should add the ability to search full texts for the word "fediverse" or assume a # at the start of every word that the user searches for?
Bug 4 - if i write "important keyword at the end of a #quote" i expect the hashtag to work but excluding the quote symbol at the end, likewise with #rust-based, i would expect the dash to terminate the hashtag, just like a space would. i just updated the text in that bug one to clarify.

yea one day i'll have an account on codeberg, but the prospect of #forgefed being a thing may make signing up on individual forges less important tho,

@silverpill i guess i think peertube IS a special case. whenever i have stumbled over a peetrube i have tended to be happy that i did.since coming to mitra ive not noticed them, and i thought that maybe peertube stopped working.

having said that i don't know how easy it is to identify a post as a peertube vid programmaticall, so *shrugs*

@silverpill @r @marty_bent how do we want a person go to access the peertube site, via a text link? that would seems to run counter to the mitra vibe of a clean ui, but its up to you.

if its okay i'll stop tagging Marty and r in the next comment.... thanks Marty for the EXCELLENT interview and thanks r for your help.

(as an aside the thumbnail image is very small, if i were you id choose the 2nd image instead, the "preview" image, then you can make that higher res jpg span the full width of the timeline and itll still look good, i can't see the tiny thumbnail being much use on mitra, unless you plan to display videos in a channel in a 4 column layout or something.)

@silverpill @r @marty_bent okay, but just one thing, how do you plan to make it obvious that the viewer will be sent to another website on clicking?

@silverpill @r @marty_bent ok sweet if you want me to do the peertube emoji overlay effects i don't know whether you want to use a flat or line version so ive exported both below

flat :peertube:

line :peertube_line:

maybe add this inside so the p can be styled to grab a peertube_play@2x.png?

maybe include this inside the link element for the "⼕￫ externalsite.video"? up to you:
<span>&#x2f15;&#xffeb; externalsite.video</span>

whatever you want to do i'm happy to style/animate things if you don't have time.

@silverpill so are you thinking another regex to insert a generic <title><p><span>&nbsp;</span></p></title> to all svg and then in css we do any of the magic needed?

i wonder if the stored svg themselves might have appropriate <title>/alt text in them already, eg. ⤷ &# x2937; etc (see above for all the glyph ideas) then we don't need to do anything fancy, and we have a fallback glyph than can be displayed if the user doesn't have css (to replace the glyph with a png) for whatever reason?

is it possible to store the common svgs with the <title>/alt content?

@marty_bent @silverpill @r hi champs, peertube posts have no image, at least not in bloat and mitra, i realize that :peertube_line: peertube servers want us to run the javascript to do peer-sharing in case a video goes viral, BUT at least an image with a cute (choice of :peertube_tv: :peertube_vert: :peertube_red: :peertube: ^_-) play button overlaid might be good to signal to the viewer that a peertube video is one click away? or something?

is this possible? does peertube send out a thumbnail/hero image for us to use? if so i'll do research on how to integrate an svg with a png fallback specifically for the mitra ui, when hovering over the image, so a peertube emoji can be used. im pretty sure its possible to have a png fallback but i'll need to research.

@r @silverpill @marty_bent >Pleroma seems to add the video as a normal attachment, with the source URL pointing to the static video on the Peertube server
ha, typical peroma, but for non-js Bloat, is ok but for js Bloat i disagree with that approach.

for mitraFE, js is already required also i would prefer sending ppl to the peertube page to do the peer-tubing that peertube is designed to do, unless it can be up to the peertube instance to decide on how to serve it on-the-fly, based on current server demand, but I doubt that functionality exists or is even planned.

The other possibility is to click the thumbnail image of the video and THAT action fetches js from the peertube server to do all the fancy pants peertubing, a slightly dangerous solution tho, because foriegn js being loaded into the page from possibly a bad peertube. One way to ENSURE the js is ok is to do an integrity check on the js.... if it fails to match a shasum then the js doesn't get launched. In Tor Browser this would require restarting the page anyway, because you need to toggle and allow the foreign js in NoScript. Anyway I doubt the javascript is EXACTLY the same for every Peertube server so this might not be a workable solution anyway.

the animated gif attached is what i'm thinking of for mitraFE, for external linking to peertube from an image. if you really want to be a bit fancy, a quick 250ms transtion from gray to white, and a subtle enlargement of the peertube emoji might be sexy.

regardless it will ALSO might be good to include a "target="_blank" in the link so it is guaranteed to open in a new window without needing to middle click or right-click and say "Open in New Window".

@silverpill >Looks good.
sweet. have you had a chance to try it out with the <title> elements in the svg? You might be albe to style them if placed inside <p> or <span> elements but i have not tried this myself yet, in fact we might be able to set visibility:hidden on the <span> to hide the glyph and then set a backgroud image that is a png for an outer <p> element. That way you might be able to load aa different png for light and dark theme!

if u want me to do a test myself first, i can probably do that.

@nimda hi nimba whats the AP queue?

@matthew step 2: publish said videos on :peertube_tv:PeerTube :) seriously are any on the peertube? i have personally given up on trying to load stuff with invidious.

viva :butterfedy1: :butterfedy2: :butterfedy3: fediverse

@p @NonPlayableClown @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @cvnt Its mildly entertaining how far this has devolved but at this point I'm going to take a break reading through this wonderful and enlightening history about where these chip numbers came from and say. @p if you are saying that the c++ language has gotten worse over time, hard to compile etc, I have to disagree, I'm not running a super computer, I have a dinky setup and was able to compile and i2pd application on that. And I don't remember a build/library hell issue.

The list of libraries that i2p uses, last I checked was not huge, several encrpytion and hashing libraries and thats it. Its pretty simple and I was able to compile a largish executable file with a very modest system. I think its easy to make general comments but I would encourage returning to the crux of the specific issue. As stated there is a rust version of i2p that is partly done, I'll dig up the like if interested.

> I'm not worried about Tor
I'm not worried about it either, they depend on people using it to hide military traffic

> without exit nodes, (i2p)'s far too into geek territory for any normies to use
i find tor devs do is the bare minimum so only extremely privacy aware people can use tor safely, if you are an everyday user tor is not really designed for you.... the default setting exposes user to 3rdparty javascript by default, tor devs hide noScript away so new users need to be taught to move it into the toolbar so they can enable js only when they thing its okay. If tor really cared about no fingerprinting then they would include uBlock so as to have the same fingerprint as tailsOS, also by including uBlock. tor/mozilla dont make it easy for people to find offline mode, and when they do its buggy. tor haven't been able to whitelist the most basic svg elements. they force ppl to type long onion addresses whereas i2p allows human-readable addresses. they havn't been able to include the most common google fonts, and lack of fontawesome os ESPECIALLY heinous, fetches to google cloudflae for css (that NEVER DOES ANYTHING i might add) could be EASILY bypassed.... the inclusion of fontawesome alone would be a huge usability leap... they CHOSEN not to do these things for YEARS.

all this is imo, about making the user experience a bit crap, so only the most hardcore privacy enthusiasts will bother with it they really don't want everyone to use it, because its not really designed to scale, its ONLY designed to hide military traffic. The tor exits are all in datacenters and likely monitored for network analysis anyway so use exits at your own risk.

i2p has exits, they 'outproxies' . i2p does torrenting, which has always been a very common thing UNTIL tor people had the weird stipulation that torrenting is bad and not to do it, etc. torrenting is what many normies have done for years, and its i2p that makes it safer.

so i2p is the ultimate normnymity tool, imo.

@realman543 @NonPlayableClown @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @p @cvnt

a) when you sell nfts for lucrative sums in 2021 that is a sign you had a deal with satan yes, well done.

b) your threats of porno don't scare me I disabled downloading images for this thread a good solid while ago cos hellthread

c) torrenting over clearnet is only for stupid ppl, who want their privacy invaded, there has been nothing ive missed uing i2p, ifsomething over i2p and not available (rare) ppl ask for it in easy to find and use place and the torrent fast appears. i have not listed all the torrent clients compatible with i2p.

d) you are acting like one of those genies that always gets the idea wrong for comedic effect. i purposefully listed the normie method to host content because its unique and WORKS until the normie offering by tor ppl, aka onionshare, which is hot garbage. Of course there is a way to do things without having your hand held. The extreme genie act is starting to feel forced to me.

e) someone mentioned i2p being a vpn for poorfags, its not a vpn, its a PN please keep paying for a "virtual" private network lol

@silverpill @nimda yes its the bio text, where the custom emoji seem to work in consistently.

@NonPlayableClown @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @p @cvnt
btw from what i understand, java is REALLY not that much more consumptive than C. what is ur reason for not liking java for an i2prouter. its been around for AGES, many issues have been patched, its foss, etc.

@p @NonPlayableClown @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @cvnt
ok we are on the same side, i will be keeping a very close eye on the un from now on, thanks. it is never made clear that the imf is a un entity even in the alternative media outlets, i think its because they have member states that differ from the un itself.

i'm not against gay and trans because i like people to be the soul they want to be, if they are not physically hurting themselves or others then let them be. The reason that fink says trans lives matter is likely he wants kids to mutilate themselves, with bigpharma offerings, and to show opposition to russia. anyway my big thing is ensuring women and girls get an education to help them self actuate and be better mothers, eventually, but if they dont want to add ever more people to the planet then also having access to contracption and family planning services is soooo important. I think every chilid deserves to be wanted. 80 million unwanted births is criminal.

btw, the UN website is served by amazon, microsoft, akamai so thats a strike against them imv. you cant be MITM by corpofash and not have the corpofash benefit, so....

and yes i will say that when i was at meetups with academics who i considered downstream to the UN, i do remember them pumping MMT a sh!tload. so yeah, these people need to be examined closely, i agree with you.

mmt for me but dog-eat-dog tablescraps for thee? mmt is just a rebrand of current post 1970 neoliberal fiat disaster experiment but they do a great job of marketing the mmt brand.

i think the dfficulty will be forming bodies that are able to act as a countervailing force to these big institutions. so one needs to have a solid moral ground. i did i was against mmt and i got invited less and less to these academic timewasting exercises. don't try to correlate people to nazi's because they also don't like wikipedia, hitler liked healthcare so.... really though we know that wars are terribly muddy things and so i always try to look for the source, how it manifested and in the case of fascist rise of germany it was PREDOMINANTLY investment from the US and UK, the money speaks louder than other pacts and treaties as we have seen in recent years. Russia had a Minsk Agreement that france and gernamy were supposed to uphold with ukraince but chose not to. in fact in was the agreement with russia that delayed russia intervention of the ethnic slaughter in eastern ukrain.

so who created this situation, europe, under the colonial rule of the usa with its thousands of outposts on the continent. its pretty obvious to any observer that they wanted this war on russia.

anyway yes please spread the use of i2p and tor, and keep self hosting and helping more people to self host ESPECIALLY over i2p. are you an i2p enthusiast urself?

@p @NonPlayableClown @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @cvnt there are well-to-do, posh schools all over the world, proximity to one of these schools is not weird tbh. anything in "new york" is close to a lot of stuff. i dont like new york as a city because i just dont care for megacities, they are extractive and elitist and places where the worse forms of collusion tend to happen so.... yeah the UN so called "headquarters" are in a bad spot, agree, i guess? a lot of stuff is and we need better decentralized avenues for participation.

>sexual rights, LGBTI issues, women human rights defenders, religious fundamentalisms, clampdowns on civil society, and HIV & AIDS

with the exception of 'fundamentalisms', and 'clampdowns on civil society' which i think u might mean 'freedoms', and 'less overdevelopment and ecological overshoot' which is a genuine, large difficult systems-based issue, those things are not bad. the un does stuff peacefully and with care giving opportunities for engagement at every step of a really long period of time, and i've found it to be well-grounded in evidence based research. i would say they need to formally adopt tor and i2p, the :butterfedyC: fediverse and xmpp today to continue that trend as internet protocol and email is no longer fit for purpose for engagement, and controlled by the corporates. that would be a big complaint of the UN i have. technological sovereignty is needed.

> (your stated creation the UN)
dubious ppl may often do occasional philanthropy to get cred, yea, this is a thing, an issue....its important ppl dont fall to their knees the moment someone says they are part of some philanthropic thing, agree!!!

> (my cut off summary of fascism consistent with dictionary, 'ur fascism' and other definitions)

pls dont cut up my words to strawman me

im "done here" when we reach some sort of understanding, i think we almost there

@p @NonPlayableClown @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @cvnt the discussion has shifted from definitions of fascism so yeah i'm done too. wikipedia is not something i trust for important things, ive personally seen misleading framing and gaslighting on that platform that favor the corporatist agenda. that was before i discovered the plethora of things researchers have documented. its a weaponized platform. i'm open to the idea the UN was founded for maligned purposes many decades ago, however today i don't see the UN as the elephant in the room with regard to maligned conduct, quite the opposite. i see the corporate fascists, their money printing enablers, and weapon peddling enforcers, as the much bigger threats. if by going after those things i happen to dent the worst elements of the UN, i wont lose sleep over that.

it sounds like we are both being polite.

@silverpill @nimda @p @walterebert that's the element, title!! well found silverpill. I knew it was something eerily regular like that!

the css-tricks link wont work for me but yes, text may be better. do what you think is best, the emoji smiley is probably fine but if you prefer a line based glyph, rather than solid, theres (x263a) ☺ it means three text buttons, 1 glyph button, which will be visually more appealing than four 4 text, but its up to you.

for the "more" menu on toots i just found 22EF ⋯ and it seems to look smart at font-size: 1.2em; font-weight: bold; with two & nbsp; to separate it from the Like count. again we'd get that nice result of three text buttons, 1 glyph :)

tell me if you want anything else explored. yesterday i updated my profile, removed that bug 2 you fixed and added a bug no.4 :) i think i'll do something for bloat tomorrow, if poss.

thanks all i wont tag u in followup toot unless requested.... gtg and viva :butterfedy2: fediverse