Also, other shit that nobody besides me cares about so it was somewhat lower priority:
RFC 1288 support restored: `finger username@fsebugoutzone.org` RFC 1436 support restored: gopher://fsebugoutzone.org/
Gopher Gopher support works under :9front: if you were not aware: `git/clone https://github.com/telephil9/gopher && cd gopher && mk install`. I think the only usable gopher client on Linux is lynx. It is insanely fast but I just realized that the order is ascending chronological and it should be descending chronological (same issue with the ssh/BBS interface) so after I have reconciled the current state of the code with the canonical FSE repo, maybe I'll do something about that. gopher.png
> You can maybe make an argument for fedi being a place for people with a CS background OR
Or if you hate Elon because he is inventing fascism, or if you are George Takei, or for a long time, if you were a prostitute ( http://demo.fedilist.com/instance/switter.at ), or 2huposting, or if you want to run a psyop ( http://demo.fedilist.com/instance/nafo.uk ) or whoever. I would *love* it if everything on here was about computers. Most of it isn't, most of the people here aren't programmers. I didn't come here because I'm a programmer, I came here because it was fun.
> What you're making is half a point if it's true and it's probably not even true.
You remain unconvinced, sure. I don't know what to do about that and am not sure I should do anything about it: the world in which you agree with me on this point looks basically exactly like the world we currently inhabit.
> It would be fine with you that this side of fedi is only for people with a very short list of interests (it is)? Seriously?
:cryingl: Would you seriously be okay with a large number of people that are interested in the same things you like? How could you?
:craysmile:
> And yes, that is an actual problem, one that won't go away by your mere dismissal of it.
Well, like I said, I get that the place is in some ways not fit for purpose from your perspective or your friends' perspective. I don't know what you want me to do about that. That's not a dismissal, but like I said, I don't have the same problems you have. I'd rather improve the place than worry too much about changing the place with the hope that it will make people that hate the place suddenly love it. (It won't.) If the improvements make more people arrive, great. If not, the goal was to improve the place, and that's sufficient for me.
> For you to have a point here we'd need to see some actual improvements made for the people here.
Then stop arguing with me about it so I can continue to write the software.
> Maybe if they weren't making everything political and most other avenues online didn't ban opposing viewpoints
Never let your opponent pick the battlefield. If the problem is they're injecting their politics into apolitical stuff, and the response is to inject the opposite politics, then the problem still exists.
@NEETzsche@dcc@childrapist1488@lina@Looming@mint Yeah, I believe that; people hunting invisible /pol/lacks. I wonder how much of that is feds or people that want to push the opposite politics versus people that had an allergic reaction to the intrusion of politics and now view complaints about the intrusion of politics as equivalent to the intrusion of politics. antifa_takes_out_4chan.png failed_to_infiltrate_4chan.png
> Appeals to the technical advantages of fedi/linux just aren't going to measure up to the network effect in the mind of anybody without a bachelors in computer science.
If that were the case, then I would get to have far more technical conversations than I have now. Just go look at Poast if you want to see.
Even if it were true, it would be fine with me: I'm trying to use something I like rather than use something that other people like. Technological evangelism is not something I've ever been interested in. In my case, it's much simpler: if I don't want to talk to vegetarians, I can hang out at a steakhouse.
I understand your problem, and that you'd like to get your tabletop friends off of the shitty services and onto here, but of course they aren't interested in the place based on the technical merits: either it gives them something they want or it doesn't. You can add the thing they want, it's open, but it's not a matter of how to sell it.
As far as Linux adoption goes, I don't think we are starting with the same fundamental suppositions. I want a C compiler: do I care if normies want a C compiler when I decide what OS to use?
When nobody really "got" Linux, that was fine with me: I didn't need them to understand Linux to be able to use Linux. So people would ask why I bothered with Linux and I could speak broadly or specifically about the capabilities, and then they'd either understand or not, and if they understood, either they'd be interested or it became obvious that we wanted different things from an operating system. It only really bothered me if they were persistent about trying to get me to abandon my heresy, and they either didn't understand or didn't think I should want to do the things I wanted to do. (Same thing nowadays with Plan 9: not many people understand it and most people don't care about it and that is fine with me, I can still use it. I'm happy to talk about it but I don't want to convert anyone that's not interested and it's annoying when people can't recognize that and move on.)
So, fedi, we're all here. I'd rather focus on doing things that are good for the people that are here (which obviously includes me) than to get more people here. I saw what "get more normies here" did to Linux. No, thank you: no good software resulted from that, and it never made normies start using Linux. There was a lot of "You picked this software because of your values and your taste and you must now discard both of those in order to get people that don't share your values to use the software" and fuck that completely. Some people that didn't like Linux hopped on because they were interested in the Raspberry Pi. What actually got them to use Linux was the Android phone: that is what you get if you successfully make a Linux that normies will use, and it's something I won't touch. thefutureis2dollars.png
> Federation won't save imageboards, i think they're bound to be 'niche' forever.
He's running quests, he doesn't need for image boards to be saved, just some software to enable this activity.
What's wrong with them being niche? Niche stuff tends to be more interesting: either it's focused on something interesting, or it's at weird shit that you haven't seen before. Focus broadens when more people show up.
> Fediverse also is not growing much.
People say this when they are bored with the people they usually interact with, not when they actually see growth taper. There have been maybe 40 new instances a day for the last month, look at the chart: http://demo.fedilist.com/ . The low point is 31. Look at @fedilist.
@childrapist1488@Looming@NEETzsche@dcc@lina@mint Yeah, I saw you say it; my point was that I said "the memes", not "the memes normies like" or anything like that. I thought I'd be more specific, but then reasoned that if I live my life like I'm worried someone's gonna Reddit me, then I'll never be able to have a conversation. Then you Reddited me.
I'm talking about good ones. Anything that is good ends up here, even if it didn't come from here.
> wojak, pepe and soyjak are all 4cuck memes.
Pepe was old meme since forever, it might be older than :pedobear::cockmongler::happynegro::sandwichchef::shoop:. Definitely older than :tayzonday: and that meme is old enough to vote. The other two aren't really fresh; they occasionally funny but are so over-used that I can't even see them any more. /pol/ ate 4chan and now everything is a soyjak.
> memes are usually made on twitter now, at least the ones zoomers like. not to say anything of there quality of course.
If we're going to talk about "popular memes", then we'd be talking about all the cursed boomer shit from Facebook and the shit teenage girls post on Instagram with no picture, just some fuchsia words in a pseudo-cursive typeface, "when a boy knows your favorite Starbucks order". moontarp.jpg
I think fedi's a better place. I forget what it was called ("boardfe"?) but someone had done a *chan-like frontend for fedi. I believe it was usable enough to simulate a chan. Or you could possibly roll out your own fchan instance.
About 4chan; I would have thought Old Meme made that clear. I left before Boxxy and after Chocolate Rain, it was already intolerable for me by then. (Bring back Snacks.)
Apparently /b/ isn't anonymous anymore or something like that. And I wrote off the captcha stuff because I thought it was just my setup: I don't touch most of the web without Tor being involved and my browser has "maybe run JavaScript sometimes" enabled (Seamonkey is patched and has uBO and most of the places in about:config where you can forbid JS from doing something, it's forbidden). Apparently the captchas stop everyone except feds and people that give not-moot $20.
> I'm hoping that my Quest contributions are ultimately for the better,
Doing a thing usually results in things being better.
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