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1. pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 19:42:12 JST pistolero

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   • frogzone@wizard.casa's status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 15:29:27 JST frogzone

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     @p @NonPlayableClown @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @cvnt the discussion has shifted from definitions of fascism so yeah i'm done too. wikipedia is not something i trust for important things, ive personally seen misleading framing and gaslighting on that platform that favor the corporatist agenda. that was before i discovered the plethora of things researchers have documented. its a weaponized platform. i'm open to the idea the UN was founded for maligned purposes many decades ago, however today i don't see the UN as the elephant in the room with regard to maligned conduct, quite the opposite. i see the corporate fascists, their money printing enablers, and weapon peddling enforcers, as the much bigger threats. if by going after those things i happen to dent the worst elements of the UN, i wont lose sleep over that.

     it sounds like we are both being polite.

   • frogzone@wizard.casa's status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 15:29:28 JST frogzone

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     @p @NonPlayableClown @mischievoustomato @Hyperhidrosis @cvnt there are well-to-do, posh schools all over the world, proximity to one of these schools is not weird tbh. anything in "new york" is close to a lot of stuff. i dont like new york as a city because i just dont care for megacities, they are extractive and elitist and places where the worse forms of collusion tend to happen so.... yeah the UN so called "headquarters" are in a bad spot, agree, i guess? a lot of stuff is and we need better decentralized avenues for participation.

     >sexual rights, LGBTI issues, women human rights defenders, religious fundamentalisms, clampdowns on civil society, and HIV & AIDS

     with the exception of 'fundamentalisms', and 'clampdowns on civil society' which i think u might mean 'freedoms', and 'less overdevelopment and ecological overshoot' which is a genuine, large difficult systems-based issue, those things are not bad. the un does stuff peacefully and with care giving opportunities for engagement at every step of a really long period of time, and i've found it to be well-grounded in evidence based research. i would say they need to formally adopt tor and i2p, the :butterfedyC: fediverse and xmpp today to continue that trend as internet protocol and email is no longer fit for purpose for engagement, and controlled by the corporates. that would be a big complaint of the UN i have. technological sovereignty is needed.

     > (your stated creation the UN)
     dubious ppl may often do occasional philanthropy to get cred, yea, this is a thing, an issue....its important ppl dont fall to their knees the moment someone says they are part of some philanthropic thing, agree!!!

     > (my cut off summary of fascism consistent with dictionary, 'ur fascism' and other definitions)

     pls dont cut up my words to strawman me

     im "done here" when we reach some sort of understanding, i think we almost there

   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 15:29:28 JST pistolero

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     > proximity to one of these schools is not weird tbh.
     
     I say that I am familiar with this school, not that it's strange to be near one. Your rate of ignoring the substance to take issue with a parenthetical is straining credulity.
     
     > anything in "new york"
     
     I wouldn't even take a shit in New York. Occidental College is in Pasadena.
     
     > yeah the UN so called "headquarters" are in a bad spot, agree, i guess?
     
     The physical location had nothing to do with it.
     
     > with the exception of 'fundamentalisms', and 'clampdowns on civil society' which i think u might mean 'freedoms', and 'less overdevelopment and ecological overshoot' which is a genuine, large difficult systems-based issue,
     
     I don't think you read what I wrote. Go click the link. I don't think you know what I think. You've managed to get it wrong every time (but never managed to just ask). The likely reason is that you don't read what I write when we talk, and the likely reason for this is that you don't have any interest. It is fine: I don't expect most people are interested in what I think about anything, but I don't plan to participate in half a conversation, so I have asked you to leave me out of it. The holy UN is a neoliberal article of faith and I want nothing to do with discussing religion with a zealot.
     
     So I cite the UN's own documents, you say things like "(your stated creation the UN)". I've made it all up, evidently. You don't even have to pick up a book, you can pick up Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumbarton_Oaks_Conference#Nelson_Rockefeller's_role . Hey, Rockefeller, Dulles...and Nazis in Argentina! Oh, and when Tucci said "fascists" and "Nazis", he knew what those words meant.
     
     > im "done here" when we reach some sort of understanding, i think we almost there
     
     I tell you days ago that I am done discussing this. If you think we're remotely in agreement, then I have been too polite. I suggest we agree to disagree, I put jokes in there, I said that this thread was you doing fascism. I try not to be too aggressive with people that are not aggressive: anyone feels like an asshole if they kick a cat. But I think you confuse the meaning of politeness. I've seen this shit before, it was the same shit that fell out of the neolib starter kit brochure that we all received as teenagers. You insist on eating that shit with a spoon, and I feel the same way about it as any other form of coprophilia, though much more strongly. I do not care if you want to eat that shit sandwich and smile: it's your prerogative, and I do not intend to convince or compel anyone. However, you've intentionally ignored me when I asked to be left out of it: it's like an aggressive salesman, it's like a door-to-door preacher, it's like someone jacking off on the bus. Please do not involve me.
     
     :neolib: Fucking Hitler was less underhanded and his simps only have to claim that *one* historical event didn't happen. :neolib:
     
     So, please understand: I am done discussing this with you, I am not asking again.
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   • NonPlayableClown (nonplayableclown@postnstuffds.lol)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 15:29:29 JST NonPlayableClown

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     There are more ants in the world than people. 🤣
     They are hard to get rid of.
   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 15:29:29 JST pistolero

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     > They are hard to get rid of.
     
     That is more or less the premise of Phase IV, yes.