@RadixVerum Probably a lot, but off the bat I can tell you women never, EVER ‘get’ us in any meaningful way. Guys don’t think about status the same way, at least not the ones you would like.
Women will extrapolate male behavior by basically projecting themselves onto guys, and say their model is very accurate….but it’s only accurate for feminine, weak men playing by the girl’s social rulebook. Niggers buying $800 gucci belts to waddle around at the mall, chunky wokesters with patchy beards begging to suck the toes of haggard, soul-deadened whores, but not a man whose father passed down the “OS” of male socialization.
The guys women want - the ones with strength and quality - don’t think about ‘status’ the same way as women do, they’re content to stand alone, as long as they’re right.
@RadixVerum I know there’s a lot to chew on here, but come on. The author of the study doesn’t look like someone who’s been to the oil fields. She’s never put on a mask to watch someone demonstrate a weld. She’s never ripped a 1/8 inch hangnail after getting solvents all over her hands.
Listening to women about this when they describe blue-collar men is like listening to the 5’2 obese weirdos on the incel subreddit when they describe all women as an inveterate, animalistic nympho-mercenary. Not enough experience, certainly not enough breadth to describe the phenomena at play in any reasonable capacity.
Men certainly aren’t the ones looking at the douche down the street with a college degree making 30% more of them feeling inadequate about ‘status’. They may feel regret at not pursuing a different line of work, but any negative sentiments comparing themselves to other guys - something that’s pretty rare to begin with - is nothing like the angst his wife feels when she talks to college guys’ wife and hears “oh, so is your hubby still just welding?“
@RadixVerum The article mentioned that the groups leaving the workforce most, non-college White men, have been hit with a 30% pay reduction, but then just handwave this away as them "being upset". That isnct a fair representation by a long shot.
I expect they are giving up because they aren't getting fairly compensated for their labor and if anyone notices it at all, it is to shit on the men. So I can hardly blame them for jumping ship.
I do find it alarming, because those are the very jobs that keep the foundations of our civilization running, and nobody is interested in fixing the rot.
My main goal is to start a family and those prospects seem to be a longshot at this point, not because of my age but because women have been herded into a group against the norms of a healthy society. Many if not most are going to do all the wrong things and I'm not a fucking janitor to clean up for one of them simply because she offers the opportunity to reproduce. As the reality sets in that it might not get any better, the only thing to look forward to is trying to enjoy your time here and make yourself comfortable with some dignity by saving enough to buy your own place and trying to enjoy hobbies. Even with all that playing out correctly, there's a maddening daily mindset that the future you wanted has been stolen and I totally understand why many would just give up rather than pay nice with the machine for scraps.
@RadixVerum i work as one of those 'essential workers' or w/e they called us back in the day. went to university, get a p high spec degree, keep various hospitals and health networks running on a technical level. all this effort has gotten me a $1500 a month apartment surrounded by schizo felons who openly sell and smoke drugs outside and have tried to beat my door down. they of course live here for free. my dating prospects are mostly neurotic, alcoholic 30 year old business degree women who make power points for a living. every day the ingredients i process into bachelor chow and gas to fuel my car cost more but my pay remains the same. i'm doing better than 90% of my peers because all my credit cards are paid off and my bank account is slowly growing rather than dwindling.
what is pushing harder at work gonna get me? i don't have family to provide for and never will. higher salary probably comes with more work. i value my leisure time higher than any money. the 'status' of being wealthy is worthless in this piece of shit society
wages have clearly become detached from productivity and navigating the social gatekeeping institutions to high status (often non-productive) jobs also necessitate that you accept a lot of things that are clearly untrue.
@dew_the_dew@RadixVerum The college set varies, but it’s no secret that many of them are worthless, nonproductive, adult daycare jobs at many of these companies. These guys have to report to the email-writing caste, so they get to listen in when the sinecures bitch about stale coffee and “I’m basically doing nothing until 3 in the afternoon hahaha“, and realizing that office drone is making twice what he is tells him that his labor is undervalued.
@WashedOutGundamPilot@RadixVerum Yeah, it certainly couldn’t be because prices have skyrocketed and the places most of us work went “We made record profits this year keep it up.” “Oh, so we’re getting raises?” “No, we can’t afford that.”
@RadixVerum Frankly I don’t blame them for dropping out. In modern America it’s incredibly difficult to land a job that allows you to live the life your parents had.
Applying for job openings is degradation trip; imagine shotgunning a resume to 50 openings just in the hope of landing maybe 3-4 interviews. There’s so many qualifications on openings these days you’re often excluded right off that bat. Even if you get the interview, you have to gain the approval of the HR Cheka (staffed by people who actively discriminate against White males) in order to get hired.
And once hired, don’t expect your employer to properly train you, pay you or promote you up the ladder for hard work. There’s a reason the days of working at one company for decades is long gone - the compensation is so shit that workers will jump at the next opportunity that comes along, even if the pay/benefits is only somewhat better.
In short, work for many men is like running a rat maze with no cheese at the end of it. If there’s no reward, why bother?
@RadixVerum I don’t like how they’re comparing this to status at all. Guys are much more linear about things overall. Are they earning as much as they should? Are they getting a square deal? The dropouts they’re talking about here don’t see “status”, they see the real, meaningful things that are inherently packaged into that status.
A wife? Haha, just ask around his deteriorated friend circle about their many divorces.
A home? Well, anywhere that has work, costs a lot to live in. What’s the point anyway, without a wife and children when he’s only there to sleep for 8 hours? A waste of labor/money.
Add in the base level of…call it respect but it’s hard to nail down this feeling. Think about what it’s like to bust your ass on some hard, arduous project, kneeling for 8 hours a day, sleeping in your truck for a week, and then being ordered into the office to have a faux-chipper office woman sit you through a 3 hour powerpoint and make veiled, passive-voice threats about firing you because the secretary visited the site and reported you for calling your underlings ‘douchebags’.
Imagine the irritation of spending 60 hours a year sitting through condescending lectures about how YOU need to change the very fabric of your social code, omit entire blocks of essential camaraderie-building speech, all to make people (who hate your guts) more comfortable on the extremely unlikely off chance they ever join your line of work.
Now imagine getting 3 days off, you’re in pain, you’re tired, and you realize you’re making 30% less than the schoolmarm saying “okay everybody, we can’t keep using “guys“, that’s gendered, non-inclusive language”
You realize you can just drop it and live like a goddamn rat. You have nobody depending on you, you have little reason to pay into the pot, anyways. What are you getting out of all this work? What good is it actually doing you?
@RadixVerum As an aside, the one group that kinda gets men would be mothers with sons. Seems to be much easier to empathise with us and the experience of raising one (with a husband, at least) kind of shows the innate difference in our thought patterns.
Until then many are just like the guys, indoctrinated with blank-slate nonsense as if we’re all the exact same clay simply molded into different shapes, utterly interchangeable if not for our experiences.
Also, what reason do the bottom 30-40% of the social hierarchy of men have to work shitty jobs? They’ll be invisible to most women, get nothing from the taxes they are forced to pay and be told constantly how they are the reason for every problem in society. Not to mention negro fatigue.
“Status” is gay, stupid, surface-level bullshit like titles, brand-names, and outward indicators of success that are frequently worthless as indicators of true quality.
The package of things that this chick sees as “status” are real, and immensely significant to keeping up our motivation to endure things we’d otherwise not. If I were single I’d be ignoring the calls to head out and work again tomorrow after a week straight of misery, but I’m trying to build a family so I’ll suck it up and head out again so my lady can nest here in peace.
To whores and their bastard sons, they’ll reduce that to “haha ur just happy to have status and have people know you have a woman lol it’s about your ego”. I don’t give a single fuck about that, I’d be just as content if I were the only human on earth (and our future children) who could see and interact with her, I’d be content to walk around in public babbling to an imaginary friend to the worried, hushed panic of everyone around me.
I’ll work because a week of bullshit, stress, and irritation was worth it when I stepped into entryway and she spidermonkey-hugged me and started excitedly telling me about all the little day to day minutiae I missed. I’ll head back out because I need that money to build a nest for her and us, not to impress anyone but ourselves.
That’s not status, that’s joy. And true joy is what motivates a man.
@Codeki@RadixVerum Also academic filth like this should be FORCED to intern as a “poor” person for at least 3 years. They should have to live the live of poverty to see it from the ground level, to experience their struggles while realizing they aren’t always these set-upon victims of the ‘system’. They’re - just like the rest of us - often eating shit because of their own actions.
Also I think everyone benefits from being poor for a spell. Sets your barometer in life.
Yes this article is doing the "Men have feelings of inadequacy so they must not be working, to own their shame of course." Asian business society trope.
Listen here Ms. Wu who wrote this article. Men don't have feelings. They have wives. If a man can't work to feed his family then his wife has to. Men don't need to put up with a shit job that hires diversity over skill or seniority. Women have feelings. IRRELEVANT ONES. No one gives a shit if you are a girlboss who pouts when she doesn't get her morning late. They don't give a shit if you cry in your spacious do-nothing office on the company dime because, "Its so stressful working here." And they really don't give a shit that you saved .15 cents a can by switching the break room over to soda water instead of pepsi.
Men will work twice as hard and make half the amount, IF the work is rewarding. Maybe, just MAYBE, men don't like being treated like shit. They don't like being told that their race is a significant portion of their wage (or lack there of). They don't like being told they can't have a living wage to support a family, buy a house, afford healthcare/dental/vision make car payments, etc... And men REALLY hate it when you tell them that the natural way of life, (a man, a woman, and kids) is unnatural. But LGBT needs more support financially!
This tactic is societal collapse for dummies and most men see that. Men want nothing to do with an industry that supports being woke. (Which is why poorly managed companies go broke enforcing this shit) All these companies have left in their work force is "diversity" hires.
@RadixVerum I think we should reject the neet life. Most men who drop out of the labor force do so for bad reasons in my experience. Knowing all that though, I dont see why there wouldnt be a rise in unemployed men. Theres no reason for most people to work anymore. So why do it
@StoleMyThundersBalls@RadixVerum Something that is hard to convey to older folks is the weight of feeling like you’re the only sane man in a room of kooks, and that feeling has been around ever since 1st grade. Before, we used to have them tell us “just wait, kid, once you’re outta school and in the REAL world, all that shit’s left behind“
only now there’s a system that takes the ‘brightest’, most enthusiastic acolytes of that same cult and installs them throughout leadership wherever we go. It’s taxing having to bite your tongue all the time, to nod along with people as they openly describe “our” enemies - the man sitting in front of them
@Zealist@DW2@RadixVerum I've never played Castlevania but it's a funny meme I sent to my Dungeons and Dragons group because it's a vampire with Carl's face, and we're playing a Ravenloft campaign.
@RadixVerum In the past this was abnormal. Peasants had no say but they also had very little responsibility if something fucked up because they werent in charge. Now we are peasants who are treated like we're in charge so we have to be responsible for everything while having no power over any of it.
If we are the worst people ever, nobody should care if we leave the workforce
@PvtProperty@RadixVerum I do think it’s hilarious that they’ve literally thrown away one of their greatest, cheapest tools at pacifying workers: Praise
They used to just give you a shitty ‘attaboy’ when you went above and beyond, you’d get company trinkets or accumulate points for goyslop-tech. Now, they can’t even retain those awards programs because anything performance based is racist.
They’re even skimping on the verbal goyslop: “Sorry we can’t give you a raise now, but maybe in a few months after we reshuffle personnel, your skills are wasted in your spot for sure! You’re the best worker I have, just gimme a while to find a better fit for your talent!”
@RetardedServantOfChrist@WashedOutGundamPilot@RadixVerum@Codeki I dont really think men at any rank in the hierarchy should be working as hard as they are just for women. Ive met people on food stamps and Ive met doctors and both have gotten divorced with their kids taken from them. Men in the past gained from status because it insulated them from the problems of the lower class, but now everyone everywhere deals with the same shit
@PvtProperty@RetardedServantOfChrist@RadixVerum@Codeki There’s that, too, but we’re not talking about the logic circuits, I’m talking about a fulness of soul that only arises when certain living conditions are met. Your body simply won’t fire those synapses when you’re living alone. You may approximate them, but they won’t be the same.
I know she could utterly burn me if she ever chooses to, but I have enough mitigation in place, enough compartmentalization so unless she went hard to the kooky leftist side (which wouldn’t fit her temperament, she’s like a golden retreiver) then it would be difficult for her to cause lasting damage to the family.
@RadixVerum Women and college educated faggots dont have to hump 80lbs sack of concrete or crawl in rivers of shit to make society function. Now the people who do that hard work are denied pay and told theyre scum because they dont like niggers or fags. So many are opting out to sit at home collect a wrlfare check and smoke dope and i dont blame them. They owe these people jack shit. Your house is flooding because you broke your toilet? Go fuck yoursefl and fix it on your own.
@WashedOutGundamPilot@RetardedServantOfChrist@RadixVerum@Codeki I cant even trick myself into working hard in self improvement by thinking about "living the good life" in America because I know thats just not a real thing for most people who try to have it. The only way I can motivate myself is to remember that I am doing what I am doing because its the correct thing to do. Still though, you can only get so motivated off of a mere obligation.
Essentially thats all thats left. Men are motivated by the fact that theyll be punished for not doing something. Theyre not motivated because they'll ever get anything out of their work
@PvtProperty@RetardedServantOfChrist@RadixVerum@Codeki Yeah, everything rides on a big spectrum. What’s funny is that I’m only like, 1/3 of the way up it. Every indication tells me that if we are lucky enough to have a baby it’s gonna flash-rewire me and everythign that came before will be a star compared to the sun
Men can make do single but no matter what we’re at best living half a life. Even when I made peace with the fact that could likely be (and somewhat still is) my final outcome it’s a sad thing to accept.
I wanna feel that internal gush when my kids run up and hug me just to know all the suffering was worth it
@RadixVerum This may have been mentioned a few times but the attitudes re: work have shifted dramatically since the time our parents entered the workforce. They'd put up with long hours at factories and shitty bosses because they could work there for their entire lives and the money they made went further and allowed them to buy houses, cars, boats, and educations for their kids.
Those jobs and that security are gone now. I've been in the workforce for 20 years and I got shit to show for it, the thought of another 40+ years doing back-breaking labor and jumping around from job to job fill me with dread. Esp now because my resume doesn't carry the same weight since I'm a white man. Anyone who doesn't understand this is either stupid or incredibly dishonest.
@RadixVerum Another thing I wanted to add; my job's turnover rate is insane and people regularly don't show up, we normally have 8-9 people on our crew but the last few days we've only had 3-4 due to quitting or absences. Everyone has to pick up the slack and I've been working long hours to make sure we get orders out on time. I don't get any acknowledgement for this and I think about all my coworkers who left and I wonder if they know something I don't. Why am I putting in so much effort when the people around me can't be bothered to give a shit? That thought fills my mind constantly.
@PvtProperty@Dadbolgainz@RetardedServantOfChrist@RadixVerum@Codeki I don’t want anyone marrying thots or whores, but I think there’re enough cloistered, directionless girls under 25 who live at home with their intact, welcoming family for us. There aren’t that many of them, but there aren’t that many quality guys (i.e. hopefully us) either, and the girls face a kind of saltwater dating scene.
We look at the ease of which women get sex and attention like dehydrated saharan bedouins, not realizing the girls are surrounded by nothing but saltwater, dying for a glass to drink.
@Dadbolgainz@WashedOutGundamPilot@RetardedServantOfChrist@RadixVerum@Codeki Oh sure I can, but will I? I doubt it. The promises of America never materialize. Theyre just dangled above you forever so you think one day you'll be free, but youre never free. And even if you make it, you will always have anxiety that what you are doing will be taken away from you in a moment.
@PraxisOfEvil@RadixVerum Something that REALLY gets me spun up is getting an old guy lecturing me about “doing the right thing” and “really going that last golden inch” when I absolutely know I’m the only one held to that standard. All the others are nearly all brown or women, and they do the easy work while deferring the shit ones to me. Still, they don’t get those lectures, they get infinite understanding and accommodation. They wanna disappear for a couple days? Oh, that’s fine, she’s got very serious anxiety issues”
I don’t care too much because more work is more pay for me, but still. Come on, you can’t take out one piston at a time and then lecture the last eighth of your former V-8
@WashedOutGundamPilot@Dadbolgainz@RetardedServantOfChrist@RadixVerum@Codeki Having survivorship bias doesnt change the inhumane reality of modern marriage and modern upper middle class wage slavery. You can be optimistic all you want but when we get handed the divorce papers or 7th increase in work load with no raise we are all equally helpless
@Dadbolgainz@WashedOutGundamPilot@RetardedServantOfChrist@RadixVerum@Codeki Its just changing priorities. Realizing the mirage in the desert isnt an oasis isnt giving up. Its just an adjustment. The way I figure is its my job to have some children and continue my legacy. Doing that means marriage, but I will do my best to be outcome independent and also prepare myself against being divorce raped like my dad was. Having a woman around is the necessary component to having a legacy. They are not the goal itself to me
@WashedOutGundamPilot@RadixVerum There are so many hires at this job, namely blacks, who come in for a day or two, fuck up their job assignments, and then disappear. We don't do drug screens or background checks at my work since they're so desperate to get people in the door but the result is a staff that has no obligation to actually do good work or even care. But you really can't do too much about it except laugh because the wasted onboarding costs are starting to weigh heavily on the company.
>I don’t care too much because more work is more pay for me
@PraxisOfEvil@RadixVerum That’s our lovely cycle to an extent, but with big-talker women because our “conservative” management/co-owners are big into that “man we need more WOMEN in the industry” shit.
They’re always suburban, UMC chicks or 2nd world immigrants who can work a computer, and they’re utterly worthless when it comes to the office stuff. A big part of their job is doing the documentation for moving, selling, maintaining, and dispatching aircraft. You really need to know the fed regulations for that, so basically we have a few helper monkeys to figure out the basic data entry stuff, but none of the experienced, smart, “ah, I’ll figure it out” attitude you get with a man.
A guy would be heaven-sent. At least a guy who could approach you with “hey so here’s the situation, I checked these FARS and I think we’re in the clear, sanity check? Okay, I’ll send it to legal to make sure but we should be good for wednesday”
If enough of those men ever realize it's in their best interest to stand by and let the infrastructure that supports the beast crumble to dust Globohomo is going to have a real problem on their hands.
@Dadbolgainz@PvtProperty@RetardedServantOfChrist@RadixVerum@Codeki You need to be more empathetic, guy. A lot of kids have never seen their “people”. You’re talking about abstractions for a lot of guys when they grew up with a harpy divorcee and an embittered, deadened, and distant father. Most families are garbage today, therefore kids grow up having no idea what a good one looks like, or how good it feels to be a part of one.
They don’t know how wonderful a woman can be, and they haven’t felt the peace of growing up with an excellent father. It’s all theory to them - and theory isn’t that great of a motivator. We can tell them all day long but until you experience it for yourself it’ll always be secondhand knowledge.
@RadixVerum everything worth working hard to afford is out of reach for everyone who wasn't born rich modest house in the suburbs? fuck you we've built nothing but $500k+ mcmansions for the past 30 years for rich boomers and foreign investors and packed infinity niggers into anywhere cheaper 40 acres out in the country? fuck off unless you've got millions in cash lying around to outbid big agribusiness.
furthermore, we've all learned that hard work doesn't actually get you anything but higher expectations and being given more work. promotion? decent raise? best we can do is a shitty raise that doesn't keep up with inflation, an applebees gift card with your name spelled wrong around the holidays, and we've put a meeting on your calendar with your manager to discuss your performance numbers. see, the average employee in your role completes 15 tasks in a week but you're averaging 8-9. never mind that we've deliberately given you all the hardest tasks and everyone is also constantly pestering you to fix their problems for them, we're gonna have to put you on a performance improvement plan and deny all time off requests for the next 180 days.
@Dadbolgainz@WashedOutGundamPilot@RetardedServantOfChrist@RadixVerum@Codeki Grandparents started the chain reaction of social destruction. Grandparent not cry. Grandparent die alone and confused about why the niggerball and fast food wasnt enough to make his grandson want to slave away. I want my land and a house and that'll be enough. No doctorates and no fancy cars and no stupid flat screen tvs
@RadixVerum Why would anyone want status in this society? Status means tolerating jews, niggers, career women, and faggots. I'd rather be a racist redneck living in a trailer, and that doesn't cost very much so I don't have to work as hard, so it's a win-win.
I think about self improvement differently. I don't work on improving to be rewarded by money or whatever. Being more capable, having more skills and knowledge/understanding of how things work is a reward in itself. Even if you don't use it for anything practical (at this time).
Something merely being possible is very different than it being likely. You will get more people invested in a system when it gives "likely" than you will get with "if you try extrodinarily hard, you might get what you want".
Nothing will change until people who can affect things realize you have to get people the latter go get buy in, and I don't see that happening. It would require them to recognize that their current actions are wrong and to let go of some of their privileges. They would rather rule over a pile of ashes.
@MeBigbrain@RadixVerum The article is written by a woman, women are driven to form social bonds and networks and obsess over social status. Good in a healthy society, e.g. women drive all the social events at our church. Bad when society is dominated by evil jews making evil things socially required.
@end@RadixVerum The most visible, hyper-online ones may fit that pattern, but there are still some good ones nearly invisible to you. Guys think it’s all whores because that’s what THEY see as hyper-online weirdos looking through a toilet paper tube. Meanwhile, the cute brunette down the street only has a pinterest with her family and friends and only leaves the house to attend part time community college
Hunting for a good woman is like searching for U-boats
@WashedOutGundamPilot@RadixVerum oh god i remember my first day at work, had to cut and perforate copper bars but i had no gloves so i ended getting a shit ton of barbs in my hands
@CathodeRayGun@RetardedServantOfChrist@RadixVerum@Codeki Network through neighbors, family, etc. Seems like lots of oldsters will come out of the woodwork with their granddaughter, niece, when they see a good man “goin’ to waste”
@WashedOutGundamPilot@RetardedServantOfChrist@RadixVerum@Codeki Working on it. No luck with anyone at my grandfather's church or by networking through family so far. I found out from one of my neighbors which church he goes to last week, so I'm planning on checking out their Thursday service this week. Gonna try a new church on Sunday as well, just to broaden the horizon a bit.
@CathodeRayGun@RetardedServantOfChrist@RadixVerum@Codeki Church hopping can get leads, but be ready: most congregations will rightfully look at you askew. They’ve seen single guys on the prowl before, so they’ll keep you at arm’s length (as they should) in order to vet you before letting you get friendly with the ladies.
Maybe don’t get too hung up on one with a single girl to your liking, then you’re stuck awkwardly going even when it doesn’t work out. Better to go somewhere with 15 viable wife candidates than 1 really good one.
But the track record was better at churches than most others IME.
Also if you’re REALLY hunting for numbers, visiting the churches closest to colleges (ones with dorms, not comm.coll) will net you a younger demographic of 20’s punks instead of geriatrics. And the ones who show up will generally be more devout than the ones begrudgingly going along with mom and dad.
@WashedOutGundamPilot@RetardedServantOfChrist@RadixVerum@Codeki My MO at new churches is talking to men and mostly ignoring the women. I generally don't approach gals directly; it's not my style. Once the men know what my angle is, they can decide how they want to handle me on their own. It's better that way. Every girl there is going to be someone's daughter, after all.
@WashedOutGundamPilot@RadixVerum > Niggers buying $800 gucci belts to waddle around at the mall, chunky wokesters with patchy beards begging to suck the toes of haggard, soul-deadened whores, but not a man whose father passed down the “OS” of male socialization.
Ok, I know I have already responded to this before, but just to prove a point: Find a high brand clothing product. If you can't find it, these guys are obviously too poor to buy one.
@LukeAlmighty@RadixVerum I laugh because the other day there was some style advice poast that said to buy shirts with brands on them because that’s what girls like. I presented it to my lady and she noted all those $50 t-shirts she keeps buying me have zero branding at all.
The real quality of the cloth, the visible pattern of the weave, the seams all speak more than a brand logo ever could.