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1. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 00:37:01 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

   Was reminded of a particularly niche sort of pseudo-kino: Deployment films.

   While guys were out there in the far reaches of the empire, they'd occupy their down time with video games, masturbation, and cutting together cool videos of their airframes whenever they weren't on a 36-hour diaper mission.

   What's funny is that I can't tell what is a true period piece and what isn't, I have to assume this guy made them for real because these are a very good approximation of what you'd see playing in a base room circa 2003

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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 00:41:30 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     I guess it really shows how these guys WANTED a good respectable enemy out there in the world. Today I grumble and roll my eyes when I listen to the old men brag about how they demolished saddam and pulverized whatever niche middle eastern band they deployed against in the last 2 decades... but there's something to respect that white guys WANT a good fight. These guys were at the very edge of humanity's combat arts in their day, they wanted to fly out and fight something that could put up a good fight, but there just wasn't anything out there.

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 00:43:11 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     I guess that's partly why I actually WANT the chinks/russkies/iranians to build up their industry to near-parity. The plot has been boring for the last 40 years, american air power dominating a bunch of 2nd generation shit, monkey models, and peasants - let me see some cool AAV wings going toe to toe with a cocky F35 pilot, gimme a show.

     The meta has been busted since the 80's... now with the americans' industrial might hollowed out, their personnel selection gimped beyond all reason, it's a fine time to rebalance the game and spread out some competence to the other guys for a change.

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 00:48:49 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     What's funny is that this seems to be a more common thought among the younger generations now, too: Go back to like, 1985, 95, and 05 with these attitudes and people would blanche. Because we used to all be American. We had that idea of a shared identity, a team flag we all sat under no matter how different.

     But to young folks, "America" doesn't exist, it's just another pastiche, a pop culture artifact of times gone past like "Toyotathon" or the Coca Cola Polar Bears. All the stakeholders overseeing and governing america have told us from birth that "actually you know there's no such thing as "american", it's whatever you want it to be" in between chastising us for the myriad sins of people who look like us. At a certain point, you just realize you're a sucker if you still want to be a loyal, patriotic American. You're a food to sally forth, fight, and die for a regime where literally every single person from the secretary in the foyer of city hall to the deepest catacombs of Washington DC sees you as a problem to be solved, an eternal enemy to stamp out.

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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 00:50:18 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     So this all becomes a show, a fun piece of fiction where you watch team A blow up team B on twitter. There's no more country at stake here, just an economic support system that enables these machines to burn their $120,000 an hour while the engines are on.

     IDK, I'm just spitballing, going to work with an old falcon guy today and I'm trying to think about how to explain this shift in outlook. I think he kind of understands what's up, but he just doesn't want to submit to his own rationality on it - as long as he keeps holding out hope that we can bring our united, 2002-era America back with the right combo of civic nationalism and voting.

   • RAUL👹Lum lover (realraul@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 00:58:29 JST RAUL👹Lum lover

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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 01:22:30 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @EdBoatConnoisseur @pepsi_man I love it, white nerds from the 60's ended up building everything that functions as it's supposed to. Pretty much everything they've put out since the Human Resources era has been a multi-decade project car of a design

     I was a kid when I first saw the F35 advertised as the future fighter.....it's still not done. Meanwhile the eagle went from blueprint to production in less than a decade

   • pepsi_man (pepsi_man@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 01:22:31 JST pepsi_man

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     The rumor I heard was the F35 was pushed so the MIC could export it. That's it. That's why the F22 program had to die.
     
     And yeah. They're never gonna let the F15 die at this point.
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   • EdBoatConnoisseur (edboatconnoisseur@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 01:22:31 JST EdBoatConnoisseur

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     @pepsi_man @WashedOutGundamPilot If boeing could they would sell airframes from the 60s as brand new planes.

     https://youtu.be/du8d3hVHfjs

   • EdBoatConnoisseur (edboatconnoisseur@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 01:22:32 JST EdBoatConnoisseur

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot Fun enough what we are gonna see in the upcoming years is the f-15 becoming the backbone of US air power with the f-35 relegated to the tasks the f-15 isn't capable of, as the f-22 is getting retired without a next gen replacement for at least 20 years.

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   • teknomunk (teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 01:25:41 JST teknomunk

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     @EdBoatConnoisseur @WashedOutGundamPilot
     
     How are the F-15 airframes doing? I suspect they are getting up there in years and the stresses are building up.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 01:31:16 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @EdBoatConnoisseur @teknomunk Yeah, I don't think it will pan out though. The SLEP they had for the A-10 ended up rewinging all of 10 planes maybe? They dragged their feet on that one though.

     I just think it's going to go like every other overhaul for a plane: Once you dig in and start giving a critical eye to everything, you find that a whole lot more ought to be replaced while you have it disasembled to that point. We see it w/ used planes all the time, starts with an engine overhaul, then we see some corrosion, then you start tearing it up some more, and before you know it you get to tell someone his $40,000 overhaul plans will be $140,000 if he wants the thing to be worth anything in 10 years. None of this stuff was expected to be flying for a full half-century, back in the jet age they were junking stuff that wasn't even 10 years old.

   • EdBoatConnoisseur (edboatconnoisseur@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 01:31:17 JST EdBoatConnoisseur

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     @teknomunk @WashedOutGundamPilot Boeing has a plan to first recondition old frames as a stop gap before opening the production lines for proper new frames, the new built frames will run 90 million dollars each, the reconditioned frames may run anywhere from 50 to 60 million each.

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 01:34:12 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @deprecated_ii @EdBoatConnoisseur @teknomunk Yeah but it's uh.....mcdonnel's fault! Or um spirit's! That's why they just need to merge back w/ aerosystems again, like the old days.

     Just one more merger man and then everything will work perfect again. Just onnnnnnneee more stock move my dude and everything will be like it was back in the day

   • d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 01:34:13 JST d

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     @EdBoatConnoisseur @teknomunk @WashedOutGundamPilot boeing eh
     
     same guys whose passenger jets keep falling apart, that boeing
   • supersid (supersid333@gearlandia.haus)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 03:41:13 JST supersid

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     @deprecated_ii @teknomunk @EdBoatConnoisseur @WashedOutGundamPilot Won't say the where and when, but we had a jet that got sent back to Boeing for a warranty repair that had been sent back to us with one of the fuel tank's cannon plug disconnected. Didn't notice it until a random scheduled inspection down the line when it was failing the ops chk for it.
     
     Also heard plenty of word of things like misc tools getting left in panels and such when jets get sent back to Boeing for some repairs. They by all means do not hold the same standards as the shops I've worked with do.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 03:42:46 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @supersid333 @deprecated_ii @teknomunk @EdBoatConnoisseur IDC if I posted it but there are some anon accounts floating through the industry now. Enough sane guys have written about it and let the whisper network carry it through.

     A lot of that stuff smells like a trap to me though - if I get it at my corporate mail then thee's a paper trail showing where it came from, could easily blow up my spot all for someone to look at the gossip and say what we already know: Women & nigs can't be trusted to do high-precision vital work

   • supersid (supersid333@gearlandia.haus)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 03:49:44 JST supersid

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @teknomunk @EdBoatConnoisseur @deprecated_ii I'm on my way out honestly so I'm not super concerned if I've accidentally burned my own bridge. As much as I love the job it's way too hard on my body and I'm not liking the warning signs I'm seeing around me, figure I'll get out now and go where the wind takes me.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 03:50:50 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @supersid333 @teknomunk @EdBoatConnoisseur @deprecated_ii I've been trying to offboard for a year, all the opportunities I got suck too bad to trust, don't want to do a 3-year downgrade unless I absolutely need to. Industry is all over the place. Half are trying to tighten the belt, the other is expanding. Nobody knows what's coming.

   • EdBoatConnoisseur (edboatconnoisseur@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 03:51:26 JST EdBoatConnoisseur

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @supersid333 @deprecated_ii @teknomunk wait, are you telling me the sub-ape iQs cannot do precision work? who would have seen that coming!

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   • dudebro (dudebro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 04:04:03 JST dudebro

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     @supersid333 @deprecated_ii @teknomunk @EdBoatConnoisseur @WashedOutGundamPilot Wait don’t you shut down the maintenance bay if a tool doesn’t return to its laser cut foam hole? Or is that just a dated Air Force policy?
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 04:04:03 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @dudebro @supersid333 @deprecated_ii @teknomunk @EdBoatConnoisseur They do, but things are tough sometimes. There's a fun report from the AF going over a flashlight ingestion, the guys have too many references and checklists to pore over on their tablets, so they have to jump from one to another as they do an 8-hour job. The systems aren't streamlined at all, it's just a hodgepodge of different materials

     End result: They didn't complete the 17th of 25 checklists being simultaneously referenced and left the light sitting on the lip of the engine

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 04:14:35 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @dudebro @supersid333 @deprecated_ii @teknomunk @EdBoatConnoisseur Checklists on paper, sure. Now imagine the government gives you an 8 year old android tablet that "has everything on it" and you have to jump between different documents back and forth

     Oh, and they aren't locally stored, there's no room. So if you have to load something you have to walk across the airfield to one of the offices with wifi - the hangar doesn't have it.

     Give the report a read, it's enlightening. https://www.afjag.af.mil/Portals/77/AIB-Reports/2023/15%20MAR%202023,%20AETC,%20F-35A,%20Luke%20AFB,%20AIB%20Report.pdf

   • dudebro (dudebro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 04:14:36 JST dudebro

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @supersid333 @deprecated_ii @teknomunk @EdBoatConnoisseur I don’t know if its the checklists or the fact they reduced the Air Force to the lowest staffing in history and expect them to perform at 90s capabilities. The amount of mandatory 12s critical jobs have is insane and they are probably looking for a scapegoat. They did just fine with those checklists 20 years ago.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 04:18:53 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @dudebro @supersid333 @deprecated_ii @teknomunk @EdBoatConnoisseur Granted it's not the primary cause, that's just plain and simple stupidity, but we normally design things EXPECTING stupidity. I hate how the military weasles out of defects and problems by blaming the crew every time - they're the ones who want the D- students from high schools, they need to govern them properly

   • KnifeEar (knifeear@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 08:26:48 JST KnifeEar

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot I hate America. I feel like a foreigner my own homeland.
     
     When I think I America, this is what I think:
     
     Mothers who are effectively weened from their newborns for wages (no cry->no milk)
     Children abandoned for long periods of the day in the trust of strangers
     Frustrated single sexless men
     Lost or 'leftover' single women
     An unprecedented "political" split between sexes
     Exhausted married DI couples
     Generations that can't communicate with each other (television barrier)
     Men and women who who are encouraged to not date their social equals (dating app barrier)
     Social services being hostile to natives
     Hostile housing markets
     Hostile public schools that turn kids gay
     Hostile and dishonest health services
     Hyperinflation
     Foreigner invaders
     Niggers that accoust everybody
     Food that has no real nutritional value
     Elderly sent away and forgotten
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   • dudebro (dudebro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 08:31:08 JST dudebro

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @supersid333 @deprecated_ii @teknomunk @EdBoatConnoisseur The military is also facing the fact they wrote these manuals when the ASVAB minimum requirements were higher than today by 10-30 points. The government just never likes self accountability.
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   • supersid (supersid333@gearlandia.haus)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 08:31:15 JST supersid

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     @teknomunk @EdBoatConnoisseur @WashedOutGundamPilot @deprecated_ii @dudebro Probably, I've certainly experienced some shit days when tools were misplaced. Shout out to the time it happened at the end of a long shift going into a weekend where we spent an extra 4 hours tearing into everything we touched (previous shift had somehow dropped a flashlight in a gap we weren't even aware existed for the side door of our van) and were all collectively losing our minds.
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   • teknomunk (teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 08:31:17 JST teknomunk

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     @dudebro @supersid333 @deprecated_ii @EdBoatConnoisseur @WashedOutGundamPilot
     
     The "shut down the shop and ground all the planes it worked on until the missing tool is found" is a policy that probably was created after a few planes fell out of the sky when someone left a wrench in the jet engine air intake.
   • Wolfgirl in Wheatfield (wgiwf@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 09:33:55 JST Wolfgirl in Wheatfield

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     @veff @KnifeEar @WashedOutGundamPilot I have a distinct memory from childhood of being in gradeschool where the class was singing "Your a Grand Old Flag" or something and pondering who this song was for. "Why are we singing about a flag? Are the spics and the one negro in the class American because of the flag? What is an American, I've never heard it stated plainly before?"
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   • veff :trash: (veff@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 09:33:56 JST veff :trash:

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     @KnifeEar @WashedOutGundamPilot Thanks, I love collecting these little windows into the lives of average Americans who feel similarly. Here's a bunch I caught in some youtube comment section, I think it was the whatifalthist on "the coming far right backlash" but I could be mistaken:
     
     >I always think this kind of thing is funny because even if I believed I had any degree of ability to save America, why would I possibly want to?
     
     >I grapple with this daily and it honestly breaks my heart. I've been raised to love thy neighbor, yet this country feels like it's going down with the titanic and the politik really all just seems to be about re-arranging the chairs on the deck instead of actually doing /something/ about the problems that face the nation.
     
     >For me, it's the atomization. This place has never been my country. Never felt like it. I dont have a common heritage or culture with my neighbors. Sure, maybe that was intentional, but it doesnt mean I can just force myself to see past it, to care about every paper tiger "muh second amendment" conservatard that thinks voting is the answer or the local soyjak liberals that cry watching romantic comedies, regardless of what race they are. They, the vast majority of people in this country, are just not my tribe, so why should I try to "save" them?
     
     >Perhaps we are doomed to be Orwell's last men. The atomization I've known most my life. I've felt more excluded now and no one knows how to interact anymore. It's all gone cold. Outlasting the collapse without giving in to the beast system is really the only plan I have, so far. If I die alone, so be it. At least I die free.
     
     >Stop worrying about society and the country and start worrying about your life and those immediately around you. If you can build a bigger network than that good on you, but its not realistic for everyone. You've come to terms with what the real situation is. It feels like a curse but it's a blessing. You don't have to waste mental effort on it anymore.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Mar-2024 09:39:09 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @wgiwf @veff @KnifeEar It's actually fairly enlightening when you tell them that. I had a fren of a fren who'd just tell conservacons at work that he was mexican (which seems ever more believable with fuentes in the public eye) just to shit on their patriotism. He said they will lose it when he tells them "yeah we don't care about your gay ass country or flag, if you really loved it so much you'd lift a finger to stop our invasion, america's dead forever, if you act like good little honkies maybe we'll give you a reservation to live on one day"

     Once they start huffing and puffing about how "well you need to leave the country if you hate us so much" he'd laugh and start telling them it's proof they were "racist all along"