@coolboymew I mean Microsoft's model with "play anywhere" it feels kind of pointless to keep selling consoles when they can sell you Gamepass and the cloud and remove the upfront cost of hardware and pass the expense on the users buying pc's or portable devices to use the service.
I don't think they're done with consoles yet but I think the new Xbox Series X revision that's all digital will probably be their last console. It makes sense since microsoft is no longer pressing physical games for their new releases and retailers like Wal*Mart are already starting to pull xbox one games off their retail shelves to the clearance bin.
As much as I hate Sony atleast they're giving their digital consumers the ability to buy an add-on to use physical media on their consoles. Microsoft could've learned something from Sony but they're all in on you owning nothing and being happy so fuck em.
@coolboymew Of course. Microsoft lost the console war with the eighth generation of consoles. I remember the loss happened when Microsoft announced that physical Xbone games would digitally pair with certain consoles and use of a paired game on other consoles would need to phone home. Sony won by clowning on Microsoft about physical sharing. "Xbox is about to become the next watercooler."
@coolboymew like the time one of my banks came out with "we hear you'd like us to make it easier for you to set savings goals, so now to qualify for full monthly interest your savings account will need to end the month with more money than the end of the previous month plus the interest! No need to thank us!"
@coolboymew maybe i'm remembering stuff that hasn't happened yet (again) but i thought microsoft already announced they were exiting the console market
@All_bonesJones they haven't. You might be thinking of internal communication leaking from that court case or something else about if gamepass underperform they'd be rethinking the whole department
But xbox has been floundering for 2 gens, harder than Sony even which is failing hard in Japan right now
@coolboymew Didn't they recently lay off workers from the Xbox division? If they quit then I will be both elated and devastated knowing a bad platform is leaving for an even worse one to monopolise it. Nintendo is its own thing.
@coolboymew It kinda sucks to say that because I really liked the Achivement system with gamerscore on the xbox 360. I feel their achievements system is better than the Playstation format with trophies. I mean there is Steam achievements to fill that void too but SAM kinda makes those trivial and not really valuable.
@coolboymew tbh they haven't done anything since the x360 to innovate or stand out from the competition, and the 1st party games (and lack of them) provably solidifies this.
My predictions is that they go full in on Game Pass and also stick to software.
Though it makes me wonder who'll be entering the console market
@coolboymew@mangeurdenuage >physical games ending Seems like a bad move. Then again, major department stores, except Walmart, announced the end of physical movie sales. I take it this was a decision from three some-odd years ago that's being actioned now.
@camedei456@mangeurdenuage it definitively is IMO. Xbox is floundering and the hardcore collectors, which buys A LOT, will avoid the system like the plague now. Being the first to drop it is going to be a big loss to them
@coolboymew@mangeurdenuage Microsoft already confirmed that for first party titles. That's why they're pulling Starfield and clearancing it from Wal*Mart. I'm sure 3rd parties will follow suit especially with MS plans on making a digital only revision of the series X.
@coolboymew@mangeurdenuage to which i'd be less pissed if they did what Sony did and allowed you to use an external drive to play physical discs because there's a sizeable amount of games that are backwards compatibile on xbox 360 that work on xbox one with a physical disc and without a drive you can't play those and with the digital store for the 360 shutting down in june a few of those games will only be playable with a physical disc if you didnt buy it digitally before.
@coolboymew I'm convinced the news will be the end of physical media. What I would like to see is a return to what they originally proposed before the Xbox One launch, where digital games would be treated more like physical media.
@birdulon@Pawlicker@hj@coolboymew Literally, anyone could've come up with the idea of Pokemon with guns. You can add guns to any existing game and make it your own. It's just like the whole "X in space" thing.
@thatbrickster that might happen, to soften the blow, but again, digital only on consoles is a big no for me, I'm gonna go full pirate if that happens unless there's a rigorous digital ownership thing going on with ownership rights in law
If anything, the "positives" they'll be showing us are policy trojan horse to fuck you over later
@coolboymew@mangeurdenuage There's also the fact that TV and movies on disk are collectors' markets now. I take it the few reasons that the Wally's is still holding out is down to metred internet connections, rural people (most rural internet is too slow for online VoD) and olds shopping there.
It's one of the big reasons I RGH 3.0 modded one of my xbox 360's on top of it setting the console to region 0 (dev kit) so you can play all region games physical or digital. Atleast I can play the region locked cave games and the France Exclusive Obut Pétanque 2 and show everyone online that I did .
@coolboymew >Best case scenario They finally pull their balls out of their abdomens and finally start releasing exclusives that people want to play instead of just $100 AAA movieslop. There's now a compelling reason to buy an Xboner, but now you need to own an Xboner and have a Microshit account. >Worst case scenario They're buying [your favorite studio] and firing everyone but the suits.
@coolboymew@mangeurdenuage I guess Obut is a company that makes pétanque balls. They made a game for the xbox 360 that's Exlusive to the french market and sold in on other region in Europe. I know Pétanque is big in Provence but I don't know if any other regions of France play it much. MDN would know more of that than I would.
@thatbrickster I already argued with a bunch of retards telling me "it's not happening" because it haven't happened yet, except that Sony and Nintendo are pretty much waiting as long as they can to totally shut down the service so people don't complain about it and they don't have the lawmakers on their back. That's 100% what's happening
@coolboymew@koimoa If they just made «consoles» that were actually just normal PCs with a fixed architecture and told devs they'd support said machine for a long time I think they'd do better. So something like Steamdeck now that I think of it. That would make things easier for developers, knowing they don't necessarily have to support every machine and hardware combination under the sun.
@coolboymew@thatbrickster i am happy that MS is going out because ever since pay to play online , kinect and digital only tardation was started by them and they couldn't stop ruining gaming atleast when their gamepass inevitably flops soyny and nintendo will atleast think twice about pulling that crap
@coolboymew@thatbrickster >digital only on consoles is a big no for me And it will also be a big no when they'll start to enforce drm via me-sgx/psp/securecore/pmp/pvp because outside of hardware hack or old/niche hardware there won't be much place left to go.
@hj@coolboymew@thatbrickster I know, I've seen it for the first time with my retail copy of MassEffect1 in which they (EA) added date limit after installing the game and you can't just play it without having to buy a new copy. It was overuled via cracks but fuck.
@mangeurdenuage@camedei456@coolboymew i don't understand. Physical media stopped being a condition more than 10 years ago. Just because you have a chunk of silicon or plastic dish with data on it doesn't give you jack shit right to anything. If you want to "resell" just buy a shrinkwrap machine, printer, lots of blank disks and jewel/dvd cases or just take used ones.
@TornadoOfTerror@coolboymew@thatbrickster The only way Gamepass makes money is if multiplats that weren’t ever going to sell on it anyway end up on it. It was retarded to have studios owned by xbox to put their shit up on there and then be surprised when the studio ended up making no money
It's apparently that the TV/Movie streaming market is barely able to keep itself afloat instead of going the way of the MP3s with selling us DRM free copies per episodes or series instead
But AAA games are a 100m affair that often takes even longer than movies to make. A game subscription service like gamepass is 100% a massive loss to Microsoft and another "venture capitalist" like bullshit attempt to capture the entire market by force
@hj@camedei456@coolboymew >Just because you have a chunk of silicon or plastic dish with data on it doesn't give you jack shit right to anything It depends on the laws of your country, in France the copyright&trademark doesn't belong to you but the physical support copy does and you're allowed to make a copy for backup reasons, and you're allowed to share it, that's why people pay some specific taxes for.
@coolboymew@camedei456@mangeurdenuage ok, let's assume that I am. Explain how. Explain how I am wrong. Better yet, demonstrate how you will be able to play The Crew after server shutdown in april this year.
@coolboymew@thatbrickster Hope Nintendo survives, Sony and Microsoft don’t really deserve to survive. The best possible outcome of this is that some new consoles end up coming out (Japanese made) and displace the shitty American companies
@D-Droid@thatbrickster Nintendo is currently probably making more money than playstation and xbox combined currently, even franchises like fire emblem are breaking the 1m copies sold
@coolboymew@camedei456@mangeurdenuage i can buy indie game online and burn it to a CD. In fact want me to do exactly that and send it to you in mail? I can even make cover art et all, a thing developer didn't even do because there is no physical release.
You'll pay me of course and i'll just buy game again to compensate the devs, but I won't ask their permission. Would you like that "physical release"? I promise i won't send a pipebomb if i see that copy on ebay.
@hj@camedei456@mangeurdenuage Do I need to explain markets, supply and demand and that products are inherently worth money for you to understand anything at all?
@hj@camedei456@mangeurdenuage Your CD-R is worth jackshit, my copy of Earthbound is worth 500$CAD and you don't buy garbage like The Crew in the first place
@coolboymew@camedei456@mangeurdenuage yes. Do explain how you gonna buy and sell physical disc of The Crew for PlayStayion 4 when the servers gets shutdown. Tell me how can I sell two disks of Left 4 Dead 2 when both serial numbers have been redeemed already. Tell me why shouldn't I burn indie games on a CD-R and pinky-promise i won't play them anymore because i intend on selling burned CD-Rs.
Tell me why there's demand for plastic waste.
Tell me why shitty DVD box with a shitty DVD-ROM of a videogame would sell twice many than my bootleg, and would sell 10 times less than very same bootleg except in shrinkwrap.
@r000t@coolboymew Those people typically have a dedicated gaming pc with a GPU. I know with Game Pass Ultimate on PC I was able to download and install local games to use my hardware and play them. There was a cloud function as well if you wanted to play on cloud but on PC that was only really required for Xbox 360 games. I only used the PC cloud for Viva Piñata and it was a lackluster experience. The cloud only really works best in a LAN setting or if you got a Gigabit ethernet fios line. On a 350/10 cable connection the experience was NOT good.
@ooignignoktoo I'm wondering if they've accounted for the type of person who will now be taking up a cloud GPU 8+ hours a day instead of the casual gamer they were previously targeting.
Anybody doing anything competitive will also be absolutely livid at the latency, especially if they're a zoomer who can't into ethernet @coolboymew
>How they know it's not bootleg? It can happen, there are various ways to try and check if it's a "genuine" copy..
> CBM is acting as if every physical release is Deluxe Edition Premium that comes with artbook and figurine. He's just saying like I do that people value this stuff some can be considered more than others, sometime even the market is artificially scammed by some group of people jacking up the prices. It's human dynamics of exchange, some don't make sense at all, some do.
@hj@camedei456@coolboymew >i can buy indie game online and burn it to a CD The value of that for people isn't the same at all. You are correct you can do that but it's not the same, people want "genuine" copy manufactured with it's cardboard box set and everything. You can see that in everything. Even collectable cards or figurines where some will be considered as "pristine" because it was never opened.
>I can even make cover art et all, a thing developer didn't even do because there is no physical release. You make me think of all of aliex "non official" copies you can get :akkolul: Of course you can, do if you wish, some people might be interested as long as you're honest.
and people verify that it's geniune? How they know it's not bootleg? How do you know if the jewel case is original or not? A lot of things are being sold without cardboard boxes, just the cartridge or jewel case/dvd case. CBM is acting as if every physical release is Deluxe Edition Premium that comes with artbook and figurine. Hell what it's worth if you buy a Deluxe Edition Premium "physical" edition of a game but inside of jewel case there's just a carboard cutout with a serial number sticker how it was with serial number. No one is gonna take away your sweet "physical releases" with deluxe premiums and "original geniune cardboard", they'll just replace cartridges and disks with serial number stickers.
@coolboymew@r000t Yeah on a 350mb down cable line the graphics artificated and there was visible input latency. It was enough to make playing viva pinata unejoyable. I could only imagine trying to pay FPS on that type of connection ugh.
But no, I've never ever heard of fake games on circulation around that time, never seen any either and repros were something random dudes sometimes did in their basement and were absolutely fucking rare
Yeah it's all locked to the cloud. Besides the best way to play Viva Piñata on PC in 2024 is to use a pirated version with the SafeDisc and GFWL DRM stripped and a modded .exe that can run in 1440p or 4k resolution. The retail version of the GFWL version caps at 1080p
@coolboymew@ForbiddenDreamer@camedei456@hj >'ve never ever heard of fake games on circulation around that time Notably because at that time few people where interested in that compared to today.
@ChristiJunior@coolboymew The Xbox made less sense with every new console. Just play on PC. It's basically a box with Windows in it, minus any convenience of actually running Windows.
Sony wins again! Hasn't stopped winning since 1994. But look out: as punishment towards its doubters, they're gonna start adding small amounts of poz into their games.
@ChristiJunior@coolboymew Winners get a lot of hate. :zerotwo_smug: Sony just defeated Bill Gates. A globalist. Sony must necessarily stand for the opposite. :smug_loli3:
@ChristiJunior@coolboymew@All_bonesJones@FUCKINGWHOCARESDUDE All I know about Elden Ring comes from watching an older gamer— Dark Phil something— and the difficulty seemed insane and the controls unresponsive. Not surprising other games beat it. :shrug4:
@ChristiJunior@Rasterman@coolboymew Is such a lame that sony is shit, their regular ps5 controller is really good and the guys who designed it even maintain a driver for linux.
@coolboymew@ChristiJunior@Rasterman Yeh, every feature is suported, even the adaptive triggers, tho barely any game on steam got the libraries to take advantage of the triggers so u gotta compile dualsense-clt yourself.
@ChristiJunior@coolboymew Exactly. Imagine the terrible things Bill Gates must stand for by comparison. We must financially support Sony to ensure it wins the console war and frees us from Gates' horrors.
@coolboymew@ChristiJunior@Rasterman Speaking of, i've played a little with my dual sense pads and i'm considering to even wrap primehack with a script, tho i gotta play with the trigger config more, i want to have the right trigger vibrate when half push so that it registers multiple taps of the trigger (cuz rapid fire) but "stabilize" when fully pressed for the charge beam, i'm close but last time couldn't get a consistent rapid fire effect.
@coolboymew@D-Droid@thatbrickster Sony and MS lose money on console sales and have to claw it back with stuff like subscriptions and software sales. I don't think Nintendo actually loses any money on the Switch hardware, could be wrong about that though.
I think it's because Nintendo isn't just making a shitty budget PC. Shitty business practices aside they try to at least make something people want to use.
@beardalaxy@D-Droid@coolboymew@thatbrickster actually Nintendo has been doing gangbusters with cheap hardware for a while, the Wii was just a double gamecube and the Wii U was just a triple gamecube with a double gamecube tacked on for wii emulation
@Pawlicker@hj@coolboymew Roller Coaster of Love blasting in the background makes the vid Honestly if I was playing a team with Aaron Rodgers and Randy Moss on it I'd yank the cord out of the wall too
@coolboymew@beardalaxy@Goalkeeper@D-Droid@thatbrickster Also in the "you will be happy" wagecage society, it's easier to play a Switch when you're on your break at a wage cage than to only be able to play your Xbox for a few hours at home and nearly ready to pass out.
I saw a White Castle wagie playing Fortnite and 2K on his Switch. The Steam Deck being portable and Sony's rumor of a portable PS5 are pointing in this direction too.
@camedei456@coolboymew I think a lot of people forget what else was going on around the time of the DRM announcement (which was speculated to be from game publishers begging for it, as seen by "online passes"). Microsoft in the later years of the 360 brand had managed to dilute it, and the initial Xbox One announcement was everything that was wrong with this.
No games, no BC, higher price than the PS4 because of lolkinect, bundling the Kinect with the console and pre-launch "forcing" it, and this isn't even the used game aspect. If anything, the lack of the BC was the biggest flaw of the Xbox One launch because it gave whales zero reason to stick to the Xbox brand.
But more importantly, look how the Xbox brand was seen going into 2013. They had: The infamous five figure fee to push a title update.Requiring indies to have a publisher and not self publish.Segregating indies who did self publish into using the inferior public XNA sdk and forcing them into a subsection of the store with no chance of exposure.Halo 4A game drought at the end of the gen as Sony seemed to be announcing big name exclusive after exclusive.The Kinect and trying to chase the casual craze at the expense of the main product (does anyone remember when everyone and their mom was joking about the Kinect?)An increasingly big focus on media, which is what people were using consoles for before the rise of smart TVs and Rokus, but seemingly at the detriment of games.Aside from the used-game DRM thing, the Xbox brand in 2013 was symbolic with out of touch businessmen who quite frankly did not understand what customers and developers wanted. Even with Phil Spencer in charge, there was shit like the Halo MCC launch and dilution of the Halo brand, everyone being split as fuck on Game Pass, and highly questionable buyouts.
>Segregating indies who did self publish into using the inferior public XNA sdk and forcing them into a subsection of the store with no chance of exposure.
That's crazy because even Nintendo learned from this mistake and it served them well in that on the Wii U, despite the crazy low sales, some indies actually beat sales records on it and had higher indie sales on it than the PS and Xbox combined
Also don't forget the higher print requirement, basically fucking over publishers like LRG. Xbox basically fucked their whales so bad in that way that LRG recently started offering Xbox games and they're gonna stop because nobody is buying them
>An increasingly big focus on media, which is what people were using consoles for before the rise of smart TVs and Rokus, but seemingly at the detriment of games.
@camedei456@coolboymew To add to that, Microsoft also let a lot of non-western territories lose sales by merely releasing the console there, and nothing else. I heard the South Korean Xbox One lifecycle there was a shitshow with no money being given to promote the console to the branch there and third party games coming out on the console elsewhere (but not in SK).
Japan was one too, they basically treated Japan as a third rate country after selling a million or two 360s in Japan, the console never had the quirky games the 360 in Japan did (these were on the PS4/Switch/Vita), and it was selling as badly as the original did. The Series X did sell better, but that was when nobody could buy a PS5 (and this boosted PC gaming there massively as well).
Also the MCC thing I'm saying again, but aside from releasing a literal useless piece of plastic, people were buying Xboxes to play the MCC. And then it got released on the PC anyway by the time it was fixed to "good enough for me" status for many.
It's foolish to say it's solely one thing that did Microsoft in, after all they recovered from the even greater PR and financial hit of the RRoD while Sony managed to get themselves out of the same exact issue (YLOD/GLOD) on the 90nm models.
@coolboymew@Pawlicker It sounded as if Microsoft saw that the average Xbox 360 player watched Netflix, played Call of Duty (explains the whole 'realistic dog' bit and only watched TV for sports. At a convention gamers watch, they were targeting average bogans. Not sure if 'tone-deaf' is the appropriate term for that...
@camedei456@Pawlicker@coolboymew What else did Microsoft had to offer besides Halo, Gears of War, and games that were already on PC, PlayStation, and Nintendo consoles?
@camedei456@coolboymew@Pawlicker Xbox from 2006 to 2009 was really good but back then they had a who was part of the Dreamcast marketing team who really understood what hardcore gamers wanted and appealed to. Microsoft's downfall with the xbox line up started with the Kinect meme because they saw how much money Nintendo got form their wagglin' console and they wanted a piece of the pie. Unfortunately Microsoft didn't understand the only reason the Wii sold so well was because of it's relatively cheap price point and it came bundled with Wii Sports that had such a low barrier for entry of play even non-gamers were playing it.
Shit my Dad who hasn't gamed since the original NES went out and bought a Wii just because he played Wii Sports at someone's house and liked the "bowling game" enough that he wanted one for himself.
Oddly enough their most successful console was their console I liked the least. I genuinely disliked the waggling controls and I felt Nintendo alienated the core gamer that generation hard. The console was awesome if you soft modded it but vanilla Wii kinda sucked and felt like a huge departure from the GameCube which I really liked.
@beardalaxy@coolboymew@D-Droid@thatbrickster I think they have only themselves to blame. :catstare: My armchair is: they spend so much making “Hollywood-tier” movie games and expect to recoup losses through ESG stock manipulation later. [Sony hate post]
@D-Droid@coolboymew@mangeurdenuage >forgetting that I stated 'excluding Walmart' A lot of the online storefronts like Amazon haven't stopped either. Of course specialty stores like Movies Unlimited or DvdEmpire still sell Blu-Rays. DVD has been abandoned by specialty studios for a few years, though. Dare we neglect to bring up a certain red (or blue) box in front of department stores...
I had a 60GB PS3 at one point too and wasn't a huge fan of the console either. 3D Dot Game Heroes was kinda fun but I'm not a big fan of the playstation controller. The Dual Shock was nice for 1998 because no other controllers for consoles had dual analog at the time but Sony hasn't done anything to re-invent or really improve the design an a quarter of a century. I mean you could argue the touchpad and feedback triggers are innovations but meh. I don't really care for shooters on gamepad anymore and would rather play those with a KB/M. I do like controllers for platformers , action , shmpus , and racing games though.
@coolboymew@Frondeur@Pawlicker@camedei456 Yeah I wish this game did emulate better Give it a couple more years and newer generations of cpus and the game should run pretty well by then.