@deprecated_ii@DW2 my line of thinking against conspiracy theories used to be "but everyone would have to keep lying all at once" and later I learned that, no, that literally happens all the time, constantly, in groups of millions.
@RustyCrab@deprecated_ii Even smaller than that, since it's literally groups of dozens that set the narrative for these things, if that. Everyone else that's lover on the totem pole just regurgitates the party line
@DW2@deprecated_ii yeah, it doesn't need to happen on that scale, but it's just an illustration of how the real world is in shocking contrast to the "reasonable explanations" we try to reassure ourselves with.
@ArdainianRight@RustyCrab It seems to be happening more often. I'm not saying that everyone who has taken the vaccine is going to get it, but there seems to be a connection.
@RustyCrab@ArdainianRight@xianc78 my mom is still obsessed with getting more shots for herself after both getting COVID and then seeing on tv a football player collapse in her city tonight.
@xianc78@ArdainianRight My friend and I have both known people personally who have developed life changing heart conditions shortly after getting the vax. It's a thing that's obviously real and there's just a tremendous propaganda campaign against it.
Are MOST people fine after the vax? Maybe, long term effects not withstanding. However, a very large percentage of them aren't and they are being demonized to hell and back for what boils down to greed.
Though most importantly, the thing doesn't even seem to work.
@RustyCrab@ArdainianRight None of my vaxxed family members seem to have any negative side effects. I think athletes are getting heart attacks because exercising obviously increases heart rate. I think the risk of getting a heart attack goes away after a while unless you get boosted.
@PhenomX6@ArdainianRight@RustyCrab I've even seen people claim that any possible effects on fertility would be a good thing because overpopulation and climate change. I even know someone who decided to get a vasectomy after getting vaccinated, no joke.
@xianc78@ArdainianRight@PhenomX6 one of the people who was injured, the doctor who ordered it actually, literally said "the shot didn't hurt you, it just made your medication stop working".
@xianc78@RustyCrab There are some negative side effects to the shot, I just don't see evidence that it's a "killshot" causing mass depopulation or anything close to that.
@RustyCrab@xianc78 There's definitely some side effects and the establishment aggressively tries to suppress any discussion about them under the belief that the shots are such a clear net positive to justify lying.
@RustyCrab@ArdainianRight If anything, the push for mass vaccination sets precedence for a possible kill shot in the future, if they keep on boiling the frog. Depopulation IS a long term goal and I'm trying to warn people about that.
@ArdainianRight@xianc78 I don't believe it's a mass killshot either, but I do believe it was shoddily put together, not well tested, and I've seen first hand that some people have fatal, life altering side effects from it. The response to those people has been gaslighting on a level I've never seen before from "trusted community members".
We have some family doctors we've known for ages and they've worked with us railroad style to get people exceptions if they believed they were high risk for complications. Those doctors made it clear to us that using the words "vaccine" and "risk" in the same sentence could put their medical license in jeopardy.
No, it's not a cyanide injection, but denying that there's a coverup of serious side effects is simply perverse.
Dude, it’s a genetic modification - it doesn’t merely put a bunch of spike protein in your body, it hijacks your cells and forces them to produce the spike protein and ultimately causes autoimmune disease because your body sees that it’s making something that shouldn’t be there and then ends up trying to get rid of your own cells for making it, and that mRNA actually is turned into DNA (which is the storage form of genetic material) and it’s passed on from one generation to the next. Also Covid doesn’t exist, so there’s no need for a vaccine for it anyway. Plus, vaccines have never been proven to prevent disease.
@ArdainianRight@xianc78@RustyCrab Spike protein is bad news. No reason to willingly get it from the vaccine (that doesn't actually vaccinate you) and still get them again from the virus. If it was actually a one or two shot sterilizing permanent immunity, I'd be much more willing to consider it. Instead, you get a flu shot type nonsense that does increase the chance of cardiac events, but the baseline is really small for healthy people. There's a weird thing where the vaccine is very harsh in young men. I believe moderna was recommended to be avoided by men under 50 for a while.
@Hoss@ArdainianRight@xianc78 I have two family members that got boosted right before their vacation and they both came down with covid about 3 weeks later.
Obviously I hoped they were okay but I still had to chuckle at it.
@Hoss@ArdainianRight@xianc78 take comfort in the fact that the national numbers for vaccination rates are definitely fudged. I live in one of the bluest cities in the US and our vaccination rate is still stuck at 65% by local data.
The idea that it was mass coordinated extermination/sterilization has always been a little too out there for me, but when you demand the development of a vaccine for a virus that we've never really vaccinated against before at breakneck speed I'm not really sure why anyone is surprised or even considers it a conspiracy theory that it doesn't fucking work and is killing people.
The real sus globohomo control shit is when they tried to force everyone to get it. Governments definitely used covid to test the waters and see how much they could really get away with.
@Hoss@ArdainianRight@xianc78 you have to be pretty dyed in the wool to not think SOMETHING is up. Even if they don't acknowledge the danger, a lot of them seem to admit it doesn't do anything now.
Yes. If you actually look at the statistics, you can see that all the diseases were already on the decline or completely gone by the time a vaccine came out for it which means that the vaccine couldn’t possibly have been responsible for the end of the disease epidemic.
@Lady_Euromutt@xianc78@BowsacNoodle@RustyCrab I did look, and for all those diseases they were very gradually declining before vaccines were introduced, but spiked downward to near zero. This talking point is retarded.
All vaccines are poison, not just the Covid vaccines. The only difference is that with previous vaccines, at least those which made it to market, they weren’t genetic modifications and there was a more successful cover-up of all the adverse reactions to them and of their inefficacy.
I would absolutely refuse such poison. Modern vaccines are no better than the ones from back in Pasteur’s day, and in fact if anything they’re worse because they have all sorts of nasty additives in them like heavy metals and stuff. No, a more accurate comparison would be a log of poo vs diarrhea.
@Lady_Euromutt@ArdainianRight@xianc78@RustyCrab I legitimately think your opinion on that is retarded. There's a handful of known cases of people living through a rabies infection and all of them have brain damage.
Yes, because it hasn’t been shown to be effective. I quote The Contagion Myth by Tom Cowan: “Pasteur believed that he could prevent rabies by vaccinating thevictims of dog bites. He created the rabies vaccine by taking saliva, blood,and part of the brain or spinal cord (usually the cerebrospinal fluid) from asuspected animal and injecting it into a living rabbit, then aging and dryingthe cells from the rabbit’s spinal cord so that it could be injected into humanbeings.His first patient, a badly bitten nine-year-old boy, received the vaccine—after a doctor had cauterized the wound—and recovered. Pasteurproclaimed his success—but others were not so lucky. A Dr. Charles BellTaylor, writing in a publication called National Review in July 1890, listedmany cases in which Pasteur’s patients died, whereas the dogs that hadbitten them remained healthy”
Viruses have never been proven to exist as anything distinct from exosomes, which are part of normal cellular function.
No seriously, it is. There was even a study or two that showed that it does get converted into DNA. It probably is hereditary. Why wouldn’t it be?
SARS-COV-2 has never been proven to exist, and Covid has no symptoms at all that even remotely distinguish it from the usual seasonal flu.
@Lady_Euromutt@ArdainianRight@xianc78@RustyCrab Let's focus on the rabies one, because you didn't answer my question and it's fundamental enough to the conversation at hand. Would you refuse modern rabies vaccines after being bitten by an obviously rabid animal?
Pasteur's method was extremely primitive compared to even 60 years ago, but it's cheap and easy to do, to the point where an educated person could literally cultivate it in their garage. That's also why it sometimes failed, but why it's still used in shithole countries with poor instructor. Comparing it to modern immunoglobulin vaccines is analogous to comparing the wright brothers' first airplane to a supersonic jet.
@Lady_Euromutt@ArdainianRight@xianc78@RustyCrab >Plus, vaccines have never been proven to prevent disease. So you're telling me you'd willingly neglect the rabies vaccine after getting bit by an obviously rabid animal? That's the treatment for a rabies bite – they vaccinate you so your body can produce antibodies and stop the virus once it enters your nervous system. Without the rabies vaccine, you're stuck with the Milwaukee protocol, which has a 97% mortality rate and permanent brain damage.
>it’s a genetic modification That remains to be seen. At least if it mechanistically works as they claim, it's not. I don't trust them or their data, which is enough for me. >hijacks your cells and forces them to produce the spike protein So does a virus. The difference is this is, theoretically, self-limiting. RNA doesn't hang out forever, and the average person is constantly bombarded with casual exposure and infection from viruses. >mRNA actually is turned into DNA (which is the storage form of genetic material) and it’s passed on from one generation to the next. Possibly, but probably not hereditary. We possibly have "junk DNA" that's residue from ancient viruses in the human genetic code.
>Also Covid doesn’t exist, so there’s no need for a vaccine for it anyway. I mean there's no reason for a vaccine but it does exist.
@DW2@MechaSilvio@deprecated_ii@RustyCrab Lmao, heard about it this morning, thought is was pretty sus and probably vaccine related when an npc I know was telling me about it. I didn't even bring up the vax before he said if you hit someone just right in the chest they can have a heart attack, people actually eat this shit up, sad.
@JustJohnny@DW2@MechaSilvio@deprecated_ii I think normies eat up explanations that are "interesting", rather than reasonable. They want a "hey, did you know that..." talking point at a party, no matter how obviously false it is.