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1. Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 04:31:48 JST Himbo Techbro

   Actions have consequences.

   I warned everyone for literally years that I would create a fediverse search tool if I didn't get anybody to play with. I got tired of bluffing.

   btw, if "people might not like that smh read the room" was a valid reason to shut someone down, the civil rights movement would not have happened.

   Fact of the matter is, I'm allowed to have hobbies. I'm allowed to keep myself busy. I'm allowed to do... anything I want, that's not illegal. And the cops already told me there's no issue with as:Public... but they did want to let me know about the volume of phone calls.

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   • Token (coin@asimon.org)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 04:32:21 JST Token

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     @r000t @iron_bug These anti-scrapers need to understand they have no right to privacy on posts that are made publicly. They can pound sand for all I care.
   • Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 04:32:22 JST Himbo Techbro

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     @iron_bug
     So you admit that as:Public isn't exactly a feat of engineering and technical prowess, but a demonstration of how any sufficiently motivated loser can build a tool to collect public statuses that were posted publicly to public timelines?

     Privacy scopes work across fediverse software packages. That's why there's an interoperable standard!

     At the end of the day, it sounds like zoomers need to learn something that's been drilled into previous generations heads for decades: If you post it on the Internet, it's there forever.

     The experience and usability of the social network, to people who are actually interested in social network, far outstrips any competing desires from people who are a) Using the software incorrectly and b) Being gatekeeping shitbags about it. For every post from someone complaining that as:Public is "harmful", I can show you 5 others complaining about the lack of discoverability and full-text search on fedi.

     Finally, I need a gig. I was told to make a software project that people would use so I could put it on me resume. In fact, 2 out of every 3 people who gave advice on this front, gave this specific advice.

     In a world where I need a job so I can stop stealing cryptocurrency from druglords on other continents, *or* someone to play League with... If people want as:Public to not exist, they've got precisely two options.

     And if as:Public is truly as dangerous as people claim, either of those two outs should be considered vastly preferable to the alternative.

     0.1.5 releases today.

   • Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 04:32:29 JST Himbo Techbro

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     @iron_bug You too can make yourself 100% invisible to the FSB, CIA, MI5, Santa Claus, and all the other surveillance groups who were 100% unable to listen to public statuses posted publicly to public timelines on a decentralized public social media network, before some unemployed autist wrote a few hundred lines of Python.

   • Iron Bug (iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 04:32:29 JST Iron Bug

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     @r000t python is a pile of steaming bullshit that I deleted from my system totally. I'm definitely not interested in monkey scripting and what monkeys do. and no, I don't use Mastodon(?) and this picture has absolutely no meaning to me.
   • Iron Bug (iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 04:32:30 JST Iron Bug

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     @r000t because of such selfish idiots Fediverse becomes more and more closed and hostile to common users.
     you pose a threat to many people and you haven't even enough brain to realize this bullshit. moreover, you're proud of being an asshole. this is disgusring obsessive perversion of a kind.
   • Token (coin@asimon.org)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 04:41:58 JST Token

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     @iron_bug @r000t "Attacking people"
     lol, chill, this is data scraping, not a lynch mob. Don't want your shit scraped. Don't post it, then.
   • Iron Bug (iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 04:41:59 JST Iron Bug

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     @r000t @coin that does not mean one can help scum like putler, xi and so on.
     this is not safe in the streets outside. this does not mean intentional attacking people is allowed.
   • Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 04:52:56 JST Himbo Techbro

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     @iron_bug @coin Again, this hinges on one central idea that everyone's kinda painting over as quickly as they expose it: The idea that putin, xi, a future american dictator, any of these people who command massive militaries and surveillance agencies with equally massive research departments, were 100% incapable of doing anything my tool does before I wrote it.

     If somebody is claiming that as:Public is harmful because of these entities, or any of their caliber, then they are necessarily accepting that premise.

     So as long as people say "b-but putler!", they have to defend the ridiculous idea that putin couldn't snap his fingers and have как:публичный in his hands within two weeks.

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   • Token (coin@asimon.org)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 04:54:29 JST Token

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     @r000t @iron_bug This also implies that these agencies/governments aren't already scraping everything public on the Internet. Everything is viewable, scrapable, archived.
   • Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 05:00:26 JST Himbo Techbro

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     @coin @iron_bug Exactly. If they want it, they already have it.

     This means the ask to not have this service, and to not provide discoverability and full-text search to the millions of people we're trying to take away from controlled walled gardens like Twitter, is the ask to deny ourselves useful features in a (symbolic) attempt to block government agencies from having what they already have.

     "But some people don't understand that and they need to be protected!"

     Having taught security concepts to end-users, some of whom are boomers and zoomers alike who think not knowing how to use a desktop computer properly is a personality trait, I can tell you that theory and shit out of textbooks doesn't change end-user behavior. Concrete hands-on examples do.

     People won't hide themselves from the invisible NSA/FSB scraper tools that skim off of raw internet traffic and PRISM-partners. They *will* hide themselves from a tool they can see and touch and use themselves.

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   • Hunter S. Bloomfer (bloomfer@coolsite.win)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 05:05:47 JST Hunter S. Bloomfer

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     then stop posting on the public internet, you twat
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   • Iron Bug (iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 05:05:48 JST Iron Bug

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     @r000t @coin there's no place for voyeurism of any kind. nobody likes peeping tom against his windows. even if the windows are glassed.
   • Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 05:10:04 JST Himbo Techbro

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     @iron_bug @coin If these were private "indoor" communities, that argument might hold some weight.

     Twitter and clones such as Mastodon and Pleroma are public soapboxes. It's the digital equivalent of your own platform, your own stage, your own pulpit, your own nationally syndicated talk show. An as:Public collector is the equivalent of standing in the crowd and writing down what is said.

     I've noticed that pretty much the only strategy by antiscrapers is just to appeal to some concept that is already looked down upon as bad; Putin, voyeurism, etc., and then both my tool and social media itself are contorted to fit this narrative.

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   • Token (coin@asimon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 10:42:12 JST Token

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     @iron_bug @r000t lmao
   • Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 10:42:14 JST Himbo Techbro

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     @iron_bug @coin Have you considered that this tool is me responding to totalitarians, or at least people with violent totalitarian fantasies?

   • Iron Bug (iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 10:42:14 JST Iron Bug

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     @r000t @coin nope. you haven't ever seen totalitarianism. and I lived in totalitatian hell hole for whole my life. so don't tell me tales, kid. you're doing stupid bullshit, I say this with all my great experiance of resistance to fascist state.
   • Iron Bug (iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 10:42:16 JST Iron Bug

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     @r000t @coin this is opposite to propaganda, if you didn't notice. propaganda imposes invasion in private life, "nothing to hide" hypocrisy, endorses access for numerous bullshit agencies to any user data for "safety", gets in every zombie box and so on. and I know what fascism and totalitarianism is in real life, not like you kids just imagine from stupid movies or something. and I don't have illusions.
     selfish retards are immune to logics, I know. but I tried, anyway.
   • Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 11:04:04 JST Himbo Techbro

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     @iron_bug @coin yeah see I'm trying to keep it from *getting* there, by undermining the hall-monitor types who would in a heartbeat kill millions to further an agenda under the banner of building a utopia.

     and again, I can't help but loop back to: Anything even remotely describable as a "totalitarian state" *will* have this sort of technology within 14 days of wanting it.

     We can extend this to every boogeyman that's been brought up; Marketing agencies, intelligence agencies, insurance and credit reporting agencies, all of them can have a full suite of capture and analytics tools that put mine to absolute shame, and they could have it in under a month. They likely already have it. If they weren't interested before November, they sure as shit are now.

     And because nobody even believes this, simply by virtue of these entities not loudly announcing their presence like I do, nobody really cares *or* thinks to adjust their behavior accordingly.

     But anybody who builds a fediverse search tool brings that uncomfortable reality back to the forefront. So the messenger gets shot. Anybody who dips back to Twitter and outright cites "the text search and discovery sucks" as the reason is told "good get out lmao" by people who expected a decentralized social media network to be a sekrit klub members only.

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   • Iron Bug (iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 11:15:53 JST Iron Bug

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     @r000t @coin this stupid senseless childish comments reveal your intellectual level.
     you don't know what it means to think. you mistake your infantile primitive emotions with your "opinion", but it is not. and it's not just your unique problem, it's common for retards that live in rich country that assures their citizens they're ok when they're obese and stipid. and they're overfed and believe they're kind of "rebels" protesting against imaginary "oppressors" while tinkering in a sandbox. but you haven't ever seen or had problems, really. and you cannot even realize you lack critical thinking. you mistake it with your primitive reactions. and such posts are typical for your kind.
   • Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 19:15:17 JST Himbo Techbro

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     @iron_bug
     You can't explain it to us because you're larping.
     @LukeAlmighty @coin

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   • Iron Bug (iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 19:15:18 JST Iron Bug

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     @r000t @LukeAlmighty @coin you kids have never seen totalitarian regime and you whine your cozy sandbox is "terrible".
     and I can't and I won't explain real things to you because you can never ever understand this, because you're just sissy stupid obese kids that haven't seen real life and real problems.
   • LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿 (lukealmighty@gameliberty.club)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 19:15:19 JST LukeAlmighty 🇨🇿

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     @iron_bug @r000t @coin
     We're not in a totalitarian hell. We can move 1 paper once in 4 years.

   • 𝕾𝖎𝖗 𝕽𝖞𝖆𝖓 𝕿𝖍𝖔𝖒𝖆𝖘 (ryan@rebased.io)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 19:50:04 JST 𝕾𝖎𝖗 𝕽𝖞𝖆𝖓 𝕿𝖍𝖔𝖒𝖆𝖘

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     I for one will not be lectured on fascism by someone who uses the word putler

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   • NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 19:50:24 JST NEETzsche

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     Fair enough. So what’s the issue? Public means public. If you don’t want the world seeing your public posts, don’t make them. I’m unironically confused why they’re mad about this. But then again, you did use the word “Fedikarens,” so.

   • Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 19:50:25 JST Himbo Techbro

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     @NEETzsche
     as:Public does one better: It sits on the streaming API. We literally get *pushed* hundreds of statuses a minute without appearing in a single notification or follow request. No federation means nothing to block.

     The fourth component, Backfiller, will be a straight-up fan-out aggressive turboscraper, but the Collector just sits on streaming APIs and the Recorder is designed to be pushed to by relays or Collectors.
     @coin @iron_bug

   • NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 19:50:26 JST NEETzsche

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     I’m not sure why you would bother making a scraper when you can just start an instance and run a followbot. Reject all deletion requests. The database is specifically structured to store this data in a more or less perfect fashion.

     Disable deletion requests: there, I outdid anybody’s “scraper” bot. I’m Fedikarens are as mad about this as they are, but then again I probably shouldn’t be.

   • verified neko :verified::verified::verified::makemeneko: (roboneko@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 19:50:42 JST verified neko :verified::verified::verified::makemeneko:

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     @r000t @NEETzsche @coin @iron_bug @r000t they're mad about this because their views on the topic are inconsistent and this brings those inconsistencies to a head
     
     they want their stuff to be open and easy to view for the right sort of people in the manner that they imagined it would be viewed or interacted with when they posted it. they don't want people doing unexpected things with it and they don't want the wrong sort of people doing things with it. of course "don't want" is mutually exclusive with "open and easy to view"
     
     to my mind it mirrors how I consistently find the "open" and "accepting" contingent to be far less so than the supposedly hateful bunch, at least when it comes to the open discussion of ideas
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   • Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 00:04:41 JST Himbo Techbro

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     @Komnene
     Yup, and when I play League, I expect to only be chatted to by people who think I'm good, *not* anybody who's mean.

     And when I exist on fedi, I expect to not receive direct threats of violent physical harm like pic related. It's about etiquette, you see. Manners, matter. Gotta be a good netizen.

     Sometimes life meets expectations. For every other time, there's Not Posting Publicly.
     @coin @iron_bug @NEETzsche

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   • Komnene (komnene@cawfee.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 00:04:42 JST Komnene

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     @NEETzsche @coin @iron_bug @r000t It's about etiquette, when you post in the public scope you expect to be read by users, not scraped and archived
   • Komnene (komnene@cawfee.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 02:22:05 JST Komnene

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     @r000t @coin @iron_bug @NEETzsche
     >And when I exist on fedi, I expect to not receive direct threats of violent physical harm like pic related. It's about etiquette, you see. Manners, matter. Gotta be a good netizen.
     >For the record, all of the direct threats of violent physical harm you see pictured here are still up and accessible, right now! Most of the people there are admins of their instances, and those instances do not have delivery issues, especially to employers or other League players.
     >I got barred from 2,000 followers for asking for help. My last hope at a job, or even someone to play with, ripped asunder, taken away forever, never to be seen again for as long as I live.
     
     This isn't an ad hoc position, just because some people violate social convention, doesn't mean that it stops existing, it's understandable that you hate them but I don't see how the rest of fedi is involved, most of which in my experience isn't like this
     
     >Also, I'm wondering when exactly you thought the Internet was a good place to post something while being reasonably sure the content would not be scraped and archived. Certainly couldn't have been any time in the past three decades.
     
     Never reasonably, no but I also don't think that it should stay the way that it is now
     
     >"When I walk in the middle of the freeway, I expect people to not hit me, it's about etiquette!"
     >Btw, even the UX says you must post Unlisted to opt out of discovery features. This obviously wouldn't help you against governments, advertisers, really anybody worth hiding from. But it does opt you out of as:Public.
     
     Inapt analogy, the idea of the public scope is that it's public to users and on Pleroma at least, there is an opt-in toggle that allows indexing which as:Public doesn't respect. I don't know if Mastodon has it, because I've never used it
     
     >For the record, governments, advertisers and the like have received *zero* direct threats of violent physical harm as the result of their fediverse indexing efforts. I have received dozens. Mine can be opted out of without ever visiting the site. Theirs cannot be opted out of for any reason at any time.
     
     The ones that send you death threats are hypocrites then
   • Token (coin@asimon.org)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 02:22:05 JST Token

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     @Komnene @iron_bug @NEETzsche @r000t This situation for me is analogous to the expectation of privacy in public. People should understand that anyone can film you, and keep record of anything that you do in public, in fact, most cities are chock full of CCTV cameras. No average person bats an eye at that fact (we'll ignore the privacy nerds, they aren't average).
     
     The moment you, a private individual, go with a camcorder or a phone, and start recording people, suddenly people find an issue with it. Why? You're being recorded, anyway. Does it matter who gathers that info? I'd love an explanation to that.
     
     It's arguable that government and local authorities makes worse use of the data (arrests, fines, case-building) than a private individual who's just doing it for fun.
   • Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 02:22:06 JST Himbo Techbro

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     @Komnene
     Also, I'm wondering when exactly you thought the Internet was a good place to post something while being reasonably sure the content would not be scraped and archived.

     Certainly couldn't have been any time in the past three decades.

     "When I walk in the middle of the freeway, I expect people to not hit me, it's about etiquette!"

     Btw, even the UX says you must post Unlisted to opt out of discovery features. This obviously wouldn't help you against governments, advertisers, really anybody worth hiding from. But it does opt you out of as:Public.

     For the record, governments, advertisers and the like have received *zero* direct threats of violent physical harm as the result of their fediverse indexing efforts. I have received dozens. Mine can be opted out of without ever visiting the site. Theirs cannot be opted out of for any reason at any time.

     It's about etiquette.
     @coin @iron_bug @NEETzsche

   • top.ofthe.top (top@top.ofthe.top)'s status on Thursday, 09-Mar-2023 01:48:59 JST top.ofthe.top

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     > Fediverse becomes more and more closed and hostile to common users. you pose a threat to many people and you haven't even enough brain to realize this bullshit. moreover, you're proud of being an asshole. this is disgusring obsessive perversion of a kind.

     Hostile here is You. Internet was invented for information sharing. Fediverse is for federating. If You are afraid of your own thoughts, internet and fediverse isn't a place to post them. Persons like you never post anything interesting anyway, so Internet will not suffer if you disappear.

     Btw, yo already are searcheable. I can view all your posts from any mastodon instance just typing your ID into search field. This is how federation works: I can run any activitypub instance (mastodon, pleroma, e.t.c.) and receive all your posts into my database because of federation. If you don't like it - disconnect, it's not for you.

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