Notices by tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)

@mint@ryona.agency Oh no, he got me too!

@mint@ryona.agency Users continue to ask for support on 6 month old versions of Bottles (no joke)Imagine if all software installed on your computer for over 6 months just stopped working all of a sudden, not because there's anything wrong with it but just because it was "too old" for modern developers to comprehend.

@dcz@fosstodon.org Just self-host your repositories using something simple like git-instaweb or cgit, those should be able to handle repos with such names just fine. All these extra fancy modern UIs are more limiting than necessary compared to "hey here's a patch over email enjoy" and a simple web interface that simply does the job and get out of the way.

@nishi@hkgk.nishi.boats You don't need to be sorry for understanding that X is still superiour.

@davorg@fosstodon.org Just don't use #GitHub at all, problem solved. Setting up a little static website on a 2eu/mo VPS works just as well, and keeps you in control just fine.

@bonifartius@qoto.org @amszmidt@mastodon.social @ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch That is correct, I did ask him to fuck off after repeatedly asking him to not imagine my thoughts for me, which he kept on doing. I tried being nice about it a long time, if that consistently doesn't work I have to reconsider the way I'm going about this.

@ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch Imagine being an obnoxious retard for a dozen posts spread over the course of more than a full day, and then get upset when someone finally just calls you what you are.

If you expect reason from the other party, how about starting being reasonable yourself for just a moment.

@ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch I also still see nothing that actually answers it. You only argue on one particular point, and not very strongly if I may be so blunt. The existence of that function on itself is not even argued against, only a context in which it applies, and even then its still on a ridiculously strong assumption on your part, made only to fit your narrative.

@ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch So now you claim you can write GPL-licensed code even if the GPL license never existedI can definitely write free software without the GPL existing, yes. Don't start moving goalposts, now. I am simply saying you have political views that you do not realizeI know my motives, and they are not purely political, I've explained this several times. Your attitude in simple ignoring me when convenient doesn't change this, it just makes you a very annoying person to interact with.I have ever not made up any backstories either.You've done so consistently, feel free to read back through the thread.I am only saying you have a political point of view, even if you don't realize or acknowledge that you do.I realize that I do, I have said so before, but your wild delusion that this must mean I do everything for political reasons is plain stupid. Stop ascribing your ideology onto me to further your desires.And so, if you ever meet someone who disagrees with your political point of view, you could end up accusing the other of bringing politics into the discussionI'll accuse people of bringing politics where they don't belong if they do so, yes, which seems to be a hobby of yours of some sort. You spend a lot of effort to bring politics where there aren't any. Again, I suggest you stop doing that.I would very much appreciate it if you could at least acknowledge that this is in fact a political point of view.It can be, but it isn't always. It isn't in my project Bashtard, no matter how hard you wish it for it to be so.

Seeing as you just keep on doing what you enjoy most, make everything political even when completely unnecessary, and continuously dream up delusions about my intentions in an effort to have some grand argument which, when taken to its logical conclusion, simply devalues the concept of "political" to nothing, I will repeat that there is no value in talking about this topic with you. Unless you start actually discussing substance rather than delusions that I have told you various times were not in my mind, I wish you goodbye. You are exactly the kind of person that will ruin a good, functioning project by forcing retarded ideas of politics into it for the sake of attention.

@ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch But if you think you can write free software without the legal framework of copyright existingI can write code without any law existing for it. I can publish this code and tell people "you are free to do whatever you want with it". While the free software movement was borne out of a need against extremely dumb copyright law, the idea that one can only make free software because there's laws in place, is fucking dumb. Free software, the politics, is certainly a thing due to law, but free software, the software, is just software which people share freely, which the user can use in any way they see fit. Your sad attempt to conflate the two at all costs simply shows your ideology is ingrained into everything you do, and you cannot let anyone exist that doesn't ascribe to your viewpoint. Its sad, and its incredibly annoying that you simply cannot ever let go of your ideology, and you must at all times dream up hidden motives no matter how many times any person tells you that they did not have them.

You think this is about law now for some reason because you're forcing your beliefs into it which make everything political, which again completely devalues the meaning of it. Whenever I take a shit I don't think about the politics of my shit, similarly how I don't think about how I can overthrow the government when I wrote the config subroutine for Bashtard.

Lets take the meaning of the word "political", first definition to be found on DDG:Of, relating to, or dealing with the structure or affairs of government, politics, or the state.My little side projects do not relate, nor deal with the structure or affairs of government, politics, or the state. You will argue they do because they have a license, but on the other hand, you will also argue they do if they don't have a license, so in the end, the license I chose or do not chose doesn't matter, therefore it is not a useful argument to have. Besides that, the license is not part of the code, but you seem completely unable to get that point, no matter how often and explicitly it is said.

Kindly fuck your retarded ass away from me.

@ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch @amszmidt@emacs.ch @carmenbianca@emacs.ch the world "apolitical" may mean "without politics" but in practice it is just a term used to describe situations where there is no political disagreement with the status quoI strongly disagree. It makes no sense to accept a word has a definition and then immediately say you use a different definition just so you can have an argument.

The code I submit to projects, and code I accept from others, is not political. They don't come with any caveats that I must agree with a certain viewpoint, or that I expect someone to perform certain perfomative actions. I am political, and perhaps I start or contribute to projects because those align with my political viewpoints, but the code and the projects themselves are not political in any way. If you bring politics into my code (through comments, for instance), you're clearly projecting your views in the wrong place. Go start a political party for that stuff, I just want good quality code that fixes a particular problem I'm seeing.The reality is that politics is always thereIf everything is political all the time, the entire notion has 0 value to speak about. Nothing is special by being political anymore in that environment, since everything is, all the time, without exception.

@amszmidt@mastodon.social @ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch Right, I'm the dingus for telling him my thoughts process on how I went about my project, and him saying "nuh-uh, thats not how you thought, I'm going to tell you what you really thought" is just all good? No thanks, I don't need someone to tell me 10 times in a row how I cannot possibly comprehend my own thougts, and how I must have hidden political motives time and time again when.

He has shown time and time again to be completely unwilling to listen to what I have to say in order to make up some bullshit that makes no sense, just so he can pretend he has some grand insight that nobody else could possibly comprehend.

I've been nice to him for longer than he deserves for the bullshit gaslighting he's been pulling all this time.

@ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch This is not why I argue that everything has politics involved.But that is what you're doing in this very thread. You're doing it in this very post, too.You are not charging money for itYou argue that charging money is political, and not charging money is political. No matter what I chose, it must be political, even though I explained clearly how there are very much non-political reasons to make source code publicly available. In your reasoning, everything is always political, no matter what you do. Therefore, it has 0 meaning to call something political.People should be allowed to voice political disagreement without being attackedI agree, but let's not pretend that going into a project's mailing list to voice your political opinion is the right place to do so. I can voice my political disagreements in many other places than a code repository, places which are inherently more appropriate. I can do so right here, on a platform that is actually meant for people to just talk to each other about anything they want to talk about.

A code repository is not a public square, it's a particular place with a very particular goal: To host code to fix a problem. This problem can be political, but more often than not the problem is an annoyance of someone.

Likewise, I don't think anyone should be attacked for wanting their software itself to not be political in nature. Harassing a community because one of the developers disagrees on political points has become the norm, it is exactly what the OP of this thread was calling for. I don't think that's a good thing, and I find it strange that people who openly state they are in favour of many positive inclinations towards community building forget all of those inclinations the moment someone comes along whom they disagree with.

If I accept someone's contribution, I take the code at face value. I don't care whether the contributor is pro-palestine or pro-israel. I don't care whether they want to build a wall. I don't care about those things, because the code is not political, and it does not impose on my political views in any way.

@ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch Let me ask it this way. I have a project that I regularly work on, Bashtard. What is the political message of this software? What political value am I trying to get from the most recent commit? How am I furthering my political agenda with the subroutine config()?

@amszmidt@mastodon.social @carmenbianca@todon.eu It is indeed quite worrisome that an FSFE board member is actively promoting the idea that free software should not, in fact, be free for everyone to use or contribute to. This is also not the first time I see the FSFE being explicitly against some people being allowed to exist in the free software community...

@amszmidt@mastodon.social @carmenbianca@todon.eu I think the vast majority of free software projects are apolitical. Most of the times it exists simply to fix a particular problem for a particular person or group of people. The desire for this fix may be of political nature for the developers or its users, but that does not make the code itself inherently political. I think this is the crux that confuses many people, they consider the code and the people to be one and the same, when they are clearly not.

@ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch There are 3 questions, only 1 of you seem to acknowledge, and the response to that is completely out of line with what exactly I'm asking. I'm not asking about where the code is, what context the project exists in, what my hidden motive was to write it. I'm asking you about the code itself.

@ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch What is the political message of this software?Incorrect, there is no political message. You may dream one up to satisfy your desire that everything must always be rooted in politics, but there really isn't one. Its easier to install by having it publicly available, and I get personal satisfaction out of showing people my cool thing.What political value am I trying to get from the most recent commit [git.tyil.nl]?You're just repeating yourself here, so for brevity just re-read my previous statement.How am I furthering my political agenda with the subroutine config()?I'm not sure why I even bother at this point, really.

Like I said already before, you're ascribing political meaning to vague ideas you assume I must be having, that I must always have some secret political motive to do what I do. But the reality is, I don't. That's all you.But it is indeed very, very strange that you think there is nothing political in what you have done here.Its not strange at all. I know what I was doing and why I was doing it. The idea "I wish my political ideology was more prevalent, so I'll just throw some code onto the Internet" was not in my mind. I'm not sure how much I need to repeat this before you start actually reading it and comprehending what it means.The GPL can only exist because of the legal system and the political decisions that construct the law around information property and copyright.Yes, but that does not mean that me slapping my default license on some hobby project has any other secret motive than the ones I've been quite clearly telling you about several times now, once which you purposefully ignore to imagine your own story, which frankly, makes no sense.

Unless you're able to put your delusions about my mind aside, I see no merit in trying to discuss anything further with you on this topic. You turn everything into politics because it suits your narrative, even if I tell you explicitly I had no political motives behind my actions. I can only suggest you to stop trying to attach hidden motives to everyone's actions, it will make your world, and the world of those who interact with you, a much nicer place to exist in.

@ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch Did you receive money for that code you submitted [...] I am playing devils advocate.)I am unsure what this strawman is about, so I will kindly ignore trying to adress it.Your code submission is absolutely politicalMaybe read a few posts up, I do say that the people can be political, and their reasoning for contributing is likely to have political influences, but you are confusing me, the person, with the code. I am not my code, these are two very separate things. If this is too difficult to understand, I can understand why you're having trouble to understand that a free software project isn't necessarily political.

@ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch You say you have no political motivation to the code you produceCorrect, because I had no political motivation to do so. You argue that no matter what I did, it must have been political. It doesn't matter what license I chose, or if I didn't choose a license at all. All of it would've been political, because you assign political ideology to every action everyone ever makes. You actively ignore whatever anyone says, just to make up your own narrative. You calling something political or not has 0 value to any discussion, because everything is always political in your mind.you couldn't do what you do without it.But I can, and I do. You're the one pretending I have hidden political motives again.I hope when you see political disagreement expressed in the comment threads on software projects, don't be so quick to accuse a person of "bringing politics into a situation where there was none." Often times the politics did exist but you simply hadn't recognized it.To you, politics exist everywhere because you go out of your way to make up backstories to introduce them. To the people who just want to write code, there is no politics, and the are being introduced by people like you. You're muddying the waters and taking the joy out of programming for people.

No matter what anyone ever tells you, you ignore them, make up a narrative, and ensure nobody can ever do anything just for fun. In your eyes, everyone is an astronaut because we all live on a planet which exists within space, therefore everyone is always traveling within space. It makes no sense, and it devalues the meaning of anything anyone can ever say. But the biggest nuisance is how you keep telling people that they cannot comprehend their own thoughts, only you can understand what I was thinking when I wrote my code for some reason. You cannot take a step back and hear what other people say, because it would crush your narrative.

Stop trying to make everything political. All you're doing is making sure FOSS development becomes another political warzone, with all its inherent problems and hostilities coming with it.