@tyil No, you'te the dingus for calling people names, inventing things nobody actually said. And no, you where never nice to @ramin_hal9001, who has far better grasp of the meaning of software freedom than you do. *plonk*
@tyil You've been nothing but rude and abrasive towards @ramin_hal9001 who has treated with beyond the respect that you deserve. I already called you out once, and you yet continue behave like a dingus.
@tyil Take for example the GNU project, it is strictly apolitical. The success of the GNU system is only based on the fact that the GNU project cares about one specific goal, making a 100% free software system. That is it, no politics. Other issues are side-topics, or off-topic. Everything @carmenbianca@todon.eu uses on a daily basis comes from that, and she doesn't care about the very foundation of the whole movement ... go figure.
@carmenbianca@jadedctrl@aylamz Nobody is saying to take politics out of free software, but projects who wish to concentrate on code are perfectly valid and nothing wrong. No please fuck off from my screen.
@tyil I'll let @carmenbianca@todon.eu dig her own hole, "I don't care for people who want to take the politics out of #FreeSoftware. They can take my code and sit on it elsewhere.".
Free Software was literally never about "politics", but about the right to use your own computer, no matter what you think.
@aylamz kicking out people from FOSS is the exact opposite what the software freedom movement is about: everyone should have software freedom even people you dislike.
@jadedctrl@aylamz Having the opinion that FOSS isn't political isn't being disruptive. I don't see any mention of being annoying, harassing, or otherwise in the original claim. Saying that we should focus on code is perfectly valid, and fine opinion.
@carmenbianca@jadedctrl@aylamz@fsfe It is absolutely not "objectively wrong". People do Free Software for a plethora of reasons, to dismiss them in this fashion is beyond harmful to making sure we all have free software.
For anyone curious about the abruptness here, @carmenbianca@todon.eu is a FSFE bord member. And should know damn well better that Software Freedom is for everyone, and trying to limit it by creating cliques is infact harmful to furthering the movement. It is a beyond harmful practice, one we have been trying to get rid of in the global community.
@oantolin@fsf A few, most of these things never end up in court since lawyers know what is at stake. The Objective-C addition in GCC was one of those cases. GNU readline and GNU CLISP is another that is sorta famous.
The Copyright Assignment is a tool to minimise damage from those who want to harm free software, it is a small hurdle that has a proven record of working well in defusing sticky situations, plus ... _you_ don't need to enforce the GNU GPL or such, which is the real benefit.
@abortretryfail Maybe, maybe not -- it isn't very interesting topic at this point.
The FLOSS community needs is to know the terms of nmap, in a clear fashion. The maintainer disagrees that nmap is non-free software / close source software, despite what NPSL license says. Can we use it or not?
If he would just go out and explicitly state that no, this is not free software / open source, the whole discussion could be used for something more productive (like developing free network scanner).
@abortretryfail I fully understand that some people might get upset that people exercise their software freedom to e.g., make expensive commercial versions -- but it is a right that we care about, and a right that is important for FLOSS.
One can also often solve it by using a good copyleft license (GPLv3, AGPLv3 are good choices for that, companies like to avoid them), instead of making up your own license that the community and authors have a very fundamental disagreement about....
Veganism is beyond silly -- one calls on ethical treatment for animals .. only from humans. But not call on ethical treatment from animals towards animals. If veganism was ethical, the foxes would stop eating chickens.
The ethical choice is to be aware of why one eats something .. where your food comes from -- to try and make a smaller imprint on this little water ball. That is something that has been lost, and perverted by corporations.
With #GNU turning 40, and the @fsf turning ?? (pop quiz! https://hostux.social/@fsf/111177276677774798); my hope for is that we will take back control of the hardware we use, so that we can get rid of DRM, non-free blobware, magical boxes and make our computers respect the freedoms that all users deserve.
Soon the most important software project turns 40! To think one has seen GNU grow from the earliest days to today! For 40 more years! Join us now and share the software!