Notices by Jon (jdp23@indieweb.social)

@clive Good essay! And I appreciated the link out to the paper estimating that moderators do 466 person-hours of work per day, I've seen th $3.4 million/year number tossed around a lot and wondered where it came from.

@clive agreed, although since tasks like deliberation that don't show up in the moderator logs and isn't counted in the estimate, it's almost certainly a significant underestimate (or a lower bound, as the authors describe it). I found myself wondering if reddit's thinking "hey no prob, we'll just pay for some of the modeation ourself if necessary, it's less than it costs us to support Apollo et al." If so, good luck with that!😂

@clive not sure if you've seen @sarahgilbert's excellent paper on intersectional moderation. It'd take more than 466 person-hours a week to apply that approach reddit wide! https://arxiv.org/pdf/2305.11250.pdf

More positively I think there's a huge potential opportunity here, to bring a strong moderation focus and tooling to support it to the fediverse - kbin and lemmy most obviously, ideally more broadly as well. We shall see.

@fishidwardrobe @aral @Carwil @JorisMeys @garuma @Gargron Sure. It's a complex question. And, you also have to look at what people do if QTs aren't available -- screenshot and link, like just happened to Aral. So how much do the QTs actually contribute to the harm. But I wasn't trying to kick off that whole discussion.

Aral made a claim here and so I'm wondering if he has any evidence for it or he's just making it up.

@aral What's your evidence that quote posts are use "as often, if not more so, by those with power to punch down"? @Carwil recently looked at a couple of samples. of Twitter QTs and found the vast majority of them were positive uses -- and that matches my experience as well.

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