@pressure@NEETzsche When I was a Catholic, my spiritual father wanted me to consider the priesthood because I was so intimately familiar with these things, I would often teach him things that he didn’t know during RCIA.
I left because I don’t think Catholic distinctives are true, but I still might go a similar route someday. One of the people who raised me is a cleric and taught me a lot about it.
@NEETzsche@pressure I became a Lutheran because I read the Bible and found that certain Catholic dogmas were irreconcilable.
For example, Paul references salvation being a one time purchase of the elect, which renders the purgatory/indulgence system redundant. The use of images in worship is also frequently condemned in Scripture, and iconoclasts were considered heroes. I’ve provided citations for things like this in other posts.
I became a Lutheran because I believe it’s true, and the alternatives aren’t. Though I won’t lie, Luther being one of the funniest anti-semites in history did not hurt his case.
@NEETzsche@pressure Chemnitz addresses this in his examination of Trent. I don’t expect you to read it because it’s expensive as shit and there are no PDF’s, but the summary is: Lutherans affirm the Holy Tradition of the Church in most senses of the term. We just disagree that it can trump Scripture.
The Papists tried to say that the words of Scripture have to be interpreted through the lense of whatever the Church is already doing, which is automatically inferred to be traditional because Rome supposedly has the charism of indefectibility. Lutherans contend that Scripture has a clear meaning in its own rite, and that the Papists were violating it, which disproves the charism.
There’s a lot of history that goes into this debate that’s not really worth covering, because nowadays you can just point at Pope Francis and plainly see “Oh, yeah, this whole thing is ridiculous.”
@NEETzsche@pressure An older printing used to be sold on Amazon, Idk why they moved the latest edition to a CPH exclusive. Perhaps no one except pastors and seminaries were buying it anyway, and they don’t want Amazon to get their cut.
It’s probably not going out of print though. It’s one of the most important foundations of Lutheran theology, because the Council of Trent was a direct response to the reformations, so pretty much every relevant topic between the two groups is addressed.
@NEETzsche@pressure It actually kind of is, in the Anglo world. It’s in a very similar situation as Eastern Orthodoxy, a lot of its early works aren’t translated and we have no access to them.
Lutheranism has the additional problem of malicious rights holders, though. CPH makes a lot of translated books deliberately prohibitive so they can charge out the ass and make their money back quickly.
Stone Choir (a traditional Lutheran podcast) addressed some of their practices on an episode when they spoke about copyright abuse.
@Humpleupagus What if some nigger breaks into my house? What if cops show up and decide to raid me? I don’t even wake up when my dog crawls into bed with me. I’m defenseless.
@NEETzsche@rees@hidden@Leaflord They shove objects up their pussy to prevent pregnancy and when the baby comes out anyway they kill it and this is so common that we invented a fake disease called SIDS so the women aren't marched into prison by the thousands.
@ArdainianRight Platonists were actually a big problem for the early Christians. They would co-opt our metaphysics but leave out the incarnation and the sacraments. Many heresies have their roots in neoplatonism, especially the Gnostics.