Sounds about right. 386 was out and common as rats. I think I remember something about him wanting to try real mode, getting "hello, world" working and then just sort of accidentally adding a sceduler, memory management and filesystem.
I was just talking to an Aspie girl interested in coding. I told her to just find the JavaScript console in a browser, or any online tutorial/interpreter for it or PHP (she mentioned Python, whatever), and get "hello, world" working, by which time she'll either be addicted to the read-modify-write loop, or move on.
Opium is about the one thing I wish I could get. I'm old and fscked up enough that something always hurts and I'm not really worried about addiction. Not fentanyl, unless I want to off myself, but just opium.
>> Tell me they all had CS degrees from India. Please!
> I could *tell* you that, but they were Americans.
Oh. Maybe that's why all the H1bs from India. But the American CS grads could probably always use the correct pronouns for all 57+ genders.
>> It has pointers! It has pointers to pointers!
> I don't know what people are afraid of. Worst case, the program crashes. It doesn't hurt, the computer can't melt your eyes. "I used the pointer wrong, now I have Weenie Necrosis."
"I used the pointer wrong ,and I'll never realize it."
> I'm sure it's worse. Have you seen how "Common Core" math works?
Fingers and toes?
>> By around '91
> I like this story. Makes me wonder when this profession turned boring. I have an idea, maybe it's a terrible idea, I'll remember it if it's not.
The professor, whose name someone gave me, rode a motorcycle and wore a leather jacket. I heard about the Free Software Foundation from him, an early member. We immediately took to each other. He couldn't get me paid, until he got a work-study job set up ($500/mo), but I frequently parked my van/home in his driveway, shower, meals, endless strong coffee, PC with modem access. Sounds weird, but good times.
> We could have had worse, thin clients were supposedly gonna be a big deal.
I remember that! I almost worked at Encore computer, what a huge DEC guy did after VAX. Part of their thing was a 'terminal server'/'packet assembler/disassembler' which I think was supposed to network a bunch of these smarter-than-VT100s but maybe not actual windowing systems. But I think they wanted me to move myself to San Diego for the contract. Probably if they'd offered a furnished apt, I'd have taken the contract.
> Neither terminal fish nor PC fowl. (Any similarities between "thin client hell" and "everything in the browser" are coincidental and probably hallucinations.)
Yeah, I don't even think they were X-terms.
> > I'll wait until there's something like a RISC-V Pinephone, if ever.
> There might be! Make that 'a RISC-V phone with a side of Helium'.
"I dug up my aunt's old calculus book when I was young, the book was from the 1960s when we were trying to beat the USSR and schools had chess clubs, and it started with a proof of the existence of irrational numbers by walking through how the square root of two could not be rational."
I ran across this a month or so ago, looked interesting, bookmarked:
"It was amazing, I'd never seen that: "Here's how this works, and why we need the concept." That kind of reasoning is going to appeal to the type of person that ends up being good at math, and we're doing now is not, so we have a dearth of people that understand basic arithmetic (let alone math)."
It's *possible* that if I'd run into a good mafts teacher in elementary school, I'd be an acceptable theoretical physicist (meaning probably barista) now. I just remember tuning out somewhere in endless repetitions of the multiplication table, somewhere above 5, and then breaking out in a cold sweat when trying to multiply by 6 or more ever after, developed a mafts phobia.
Did you end up being good at it? I remember reading a discrete math book, enjoying it. And concepts out of topology seem not so hard. But I still sort of sweat when I see equations.
"The solution is that we're trying to...what, make everyone hate math? Then we've got the nerve to be astonished that we're falling behind."
I think they're trying to dumb everything up and down so everyone is as bad at it all as Blacks are, so they feel better about being IQ85s. And/or it's some kind of commies and/or the Jewish Space Laser Aliens, destroying our country. China couldn't make a better investment than the Woke Mind Virus Party: probably FTX was laundering a lot more yuan than anything else into the Democrats and the Big Guy.
Speaking of China: I'm reading "The Three-Body Problem" by Cixin Liu, very scientifically literate SF (what we would call 'hard', meaning racist because matfs an shit, SF). Reminds me of when our schools had chess clubs. I don't much like China: too big, too totalitarian, but like all North Asians (South, not so much) they are impressive, formidable. You might enjoy it. 1st of a trilogy.
> Ha, someone asked me what I'd be doing if I wasn't a programmer and I had this vivid image of myself in the shittiest office in some physics department of a mid-tier university, dodging undergrads' questions and locked in some years-long battle with the administration over which areas of the campus I could smoke in. (I think law is interesting but I have no reason to expect I would have gone to law school, since I didn't think it was interesting when I was younger and did not have had the cash to cover law school. Maybe I'd have gone into EE.)
We could totally be colleagues! UCSC had a really nice campus back around '78, nearly transferred there from Evergreen, wish I had. We could be ambling around the big trees (maybe even Redwoods) contemplating quantum gravity. Of course I at least would long since have been banned from California west of the 5, but it's an alternate timeline so maybe not.
> It's fun stuff! I think discrete math and number theory especially, like I had a lot of fun with https://projecteuler.net/
Solve the first ten problems and you probably get an offer you can't refuse from NSA.
> I think the same traits that make programming fun make this stuff fun (or maybe it's just the 'tism and "Here is a system of unambiguous rules for reasoning about abstract quantities" is appealing for the same reason programming is).
And they are both escapes from all that frankly somewhat unappealingly-primate people stuff. Better to leave that to women: they're designed for it, or we wouldn't exist.
> And/or it's some kind of commies
That's my vote; I feel like we're re-hashing the Cold War but we're the USSR this time.
In our dreams. Unfortunately what we actually are is the Cultural Revolution, with purple-haired perverts as the Red Guards.
> I'll toss it onto the list; until Revolver's out, I've basically abandoned TV and movies and video games and recreational reading except for whatever time I spend on the toilet, but in there I've been reading "Coders at Work" mostly, sometimes I play chess on the phone.
Let me know if you come across Rick Rush. Interesting autist chess-player. Or David Harris aka Blackstone Chess.
As for Revolver: if Etherium 2.0 is lightweight enough, would it work as a transport layer? It has that 'smart contract' ability, said to be useful for more than just fake money. Posts on the Etherium blockchain, with nodes having to do enough of whatever earns the 'gas' fees to post?
> Ha, that would have been fun! I think I'm not cut out for academia but spending the day on math or physics might have been worth it.
When I visited Santa Cruz, I was in a basic chemistry class at Evergreen. I was in some coffeeshop in SC, sketching molecules like LSD, and some guy in chemistry or biology or something saw me and invited me to join his project. I think I probably should have, but I was like 18: an idiot, scarcely human.
> My dream involves more guns/steaks/beer/topless women than whatever is going on nowadays.
> You'd probably like Argentina, or maybe Brazil.
> We might end up with a Cultural Revolution at some point but we're not there yet.
All these purple-haired depravatroids getting people canceled? We totally are, except for actual physical executions.
> I played with Solidity some, though; I think what's going on right now with Ethereum barely scratches the surface, it's a very cool system. I plan to play with it more when I get the chance!
You're right, it is quite interesting, and it's also essentially C, so worthwhile. This makes me think I maybe should buy a little Etherium: the one crypto I think may have actual value.
> One of the great ironies is that, at 18, you *hear* people say "Youth is wasted on the young" and you do not really understand it the same way you come to understand it later.
One doesn't really understand much of *anything* until maybe about 30. Except computers, math, physics: pretty much all the best work is done then.
> The fear now is "you will get shouted at, possibly fired"; the fear then and there was that you'd be imprisoned or executed. They're tearing down some statues, the Cultural Revolution had every statue town down, thousand-year-old 50' Buddhas defaced and then emperors dug up so their bones could be denounced.
Well, you're right, of course: what they're doing now is showing us what they want to do to us, the full Moanty if you will, and seething with purple-haired trantifa rage because freeze peach, guns and the hated so-called alleged 'Constitution' are interfering.
> This stuff nowadays has plenty of Year Zero flavor to it (and may be the thin end of the wedge; obsta principiis), but it is really a different game at present.
The haka dance warmup act.
> >it's also essentially C
> Kinda! It feels to me more like Java, there are guard rails everywhere, but it's significantly more trim, so it's still fun.
First two examples looked C-ish, so cozy.
> > a little Etherium: the one crypto I think may have actual value
> I think the speculators have ruined some of it with hype. It's a global VM, the closest we have built yet to a real decentralized general computation platform, and it's one that barely anyone has noticed yet.
I could buy some; brokerage has some kind of partnership with someone who will hodl it for me. But wait, brokerage->some unregulated something-> something that may have value? ERRMANYDEREFS Probably I should buy gold coins and bury them.
> I hear microdoses make people manic and annoying, though.
Seems likely with LSD. I know a retired nurse who recommends microcoding with psilocybin mushrooms. Nothing at all compares to peyote: I'd microdose that if I could.
> Apparently half the Davos Group members canceled their attendance this year. Maybe they're waiting for it to change its name.
Time to rebrand. Those people love their front orgs.
> So I figured it was like that with any drug. On the other hand, first time I started smoking, I didn't stop.
Oh, smoking, is that all? It is the most addictive thing I encountered, except that 25 mikes of fentanyl they give for outpatient procedures. It works so much better than oxycodone, and no itching. Very dangerous.
I have barely smoked in over 10 years (just bumming one over a beer if someone has menthols), but picked them up and put them down so many times I got to where I could go from pack-a-day to zero and sort of enjoy the edge.
Best way to try quitting is go somewhere by yourself where you're far from the nearest smoke and can stay a few days. The physiological component is largely gone in 3 days; after that it's psychological. Switching to vaping is a good stepdown tool.
Then, if you start again, don't worry about it. Just keep doing that, maybe trying to stretch the smoke-fast periods. I think you can get to quitting that way. If you can take a week, then do the three-day or more quit, then some substance, then stay for another day or so.
> When I drop the nicotine, I feel like shit, I have trouble focusing, and then I get irritable and say terrible things to people I like, and people I like are noticeably relieved when I resume smoking.
That's why you do the quit alone.
> Here's this thing, it sometimes just immediately cures nicotine addiction: I'd like to try that rather than yelling at people for two weeks.
Sometimes. Don't bank everything on a miracle cure. Use substances as helpers.
I wonder about the Jews, can they really live with other people? Part of the problem is they're just too damn smart and effective, but that's just part of it. I personally like having Jews around: interesting people, good for conversation. But I think it may be necessary to ban them from most education and media, and seize the Big Jewish money.
> thin clients are kind of a big deal still, especially in hospitals and public libraries. Of course our public library used a bunch of as/400 terminals before we used thin clients (which really run RDP).
The medical setting is weird. They still use fax machines! Seriously!
A library catalog access machine would be a perfect place for a thin client: a Pi or such that could connect to a screen and keyboard and net: done.
> The solution is ditching software that does the things you don't want.
Butbutbut So Convenient!
>> and for the heavy lifting, there just weren't that many who could just do it
> This is still true, there's just a lot of work that doesn't require heavy lifting nowadays. The first-pass smoke check we used to use at an old job when interviewing was that they write a function that, when passed a string, reverses it and returns the result. Language of their choice. 90% still failed.
Tell me they all had CS degrees from India. Please!
> You see how many people are afraid of C? Like, actually worried about programming in it, and then they will tell you how terrible it is if you write C.
C isn't Safe! It's not a Safe Space! It should ne illegal!
> The kernel and the userspace are C, their language is implemented in C, the database they're talking to is written in C, but they think of C as something that can't be used for anything.
It's not interpreted! It has pointers! It has pointers to pointers! You can use hex constants as pointers to pointers!
> About half of the best programmers I have personally worked with were dropouts; I myself am a dropout. My first serious boss was an excellent guy and smart as hell; he's a VP Eng somewhere, he didn't finish high school.
This makes perfect sense to me. I think whatever made me apparently very good in my day also made classrooms excruciating.
> > That and *bsd weren't even things then; they became visible early '90s, UCB 386-BSD first
> I read the old thread announcing Linux; one of the guys that replied said it looked like it'd be fun to play with while waiting for 386BSD, which I thought was kinda quaint. It seems like 386BSD has been preserved by the original author: https://github.com/386BSD/386bsd .
Anyways, after dropping out, I dropped a little bit back in in '88 at a small CS dept for work-study money. We had a couple of EISA-bus 486s waiting for something to run. Eventually I heard about this new *BSD thing, but it needed a BSD Unix to run. I talked with the Berkeley people got them to sell us a dirt-cheap license, but our university lawyers demanded it be under NC law instead of CA law, so it all fell apart. Then, around the same time, the first floppy images of early (pre-TCP/IP) Linux and some free BSD came out. Linux booted; xBSD didn't. Decision made.
By around '91, something like 0.95pl14, the first TCP stack appeared in Linux. Shortly after, the professor I was working with was teaching a good load of students on them, text mode only, and we were hooking up anyone in the dept who wanted to be on the Net (one of the machines gatewayed to a VMS VAX over in the computer center). Fun times. I was living out of my van, often at whitewater outposts, or in an abandoned shack very deep in the Blue Ridge, occasionally eating up to a milligram of acid while gazing fire at night. (Messing with Skorps can set one to doing things like that). And eventually doing ceramics: cone 10-11 reduction-fired porcelain and stoneware, made a good copper-red tuned to our kiln and firing. Still use some of it. Coding and ceramics: work/life balance. Overall about the best period of my life, not that I realized it at the time.
> >But it was obvious the wintelitary-industrial complex thing would sweep all before it despite being ugly crap.
> It was a mess, but unlike things like ARM coming out of nowhere, x86 always seemed inevitable.
Like that thing you run from in nightmares, but you know it'll get you eventually. Except, wait, that's probably just death. Wintel is worse
> I never played with one of them directly, but people seem to have loved it. (kencc still supports 68000 and 68020, but I don't know if anyone uses it.)
I never played with any of the really nice architectures, just read them. 68040: Extase! Touch my monkey!
> Just enough to buy a house and flip it 15 years later would have netted a small fortune.
Probably be living on a yacht now.
> They take forever to ship, but it's only a matter of time before someone gets it to do phone calls.
I'll wait until there's something like a RISC-V Pinephone, if ever.