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1. cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:20:36 JST cool_boy_mew
   Soooo, according to a /g/ thread, the weird push to rewrite everything in Rust is actually a ruse by the corpos to get rid of the GPL licensing for the old stuff and have everything under the MIT cuck license so they can do absolutely whatever they want with the code?
   • meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:22:05 JST meso

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     @coolboymew good conspiracy theory
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   • meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:22:12 JST meso

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     @coolboymew yeah
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   • Berlusconi Anime Fever :sonnenrad: (mechasilvio@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:24:33 JST Berlusconi Anime Fever :sonnenrad:

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     @coolboymew Link to the thread?
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:24:33 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @MechaSilvio https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/91419286
   • duke (duke@nukem.biz)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:24:45 JST duke

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     would not shock me
     
     there's no other good reason for a lot of it
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   • d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:24:58 JST d

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     @coolboymew but they already do whatever they want
     
     anyone who thinks GPL is holding back some megacorp is delusional
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:25:36 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @deprecated_ii except the megacorps are mostly indeed releasing code according to the license. MIT would mean they don't have to, thus, 0 code contribution back
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:26:07 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @cyberdystopia it's pretty sound however. MIT license means they don't have to contribute anything back, release code, etc
   • CyberDystopia (cyberdystopia@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:26:09 JST CyberDystopia

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     @coolboymew@shitposter.club tbh I think MIT license is more popular than GPLv3 in new projects (while older project likely to have GPLv2/3) hence the reason why they make that assumption with Rust rewrites. Interesting conspiracy theory though

   • Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:26:37 JST Alex Gleason

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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:26:37 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @alex see pic. It's a pretty sound conspiracy, considering how corporate the whole thing is getting
   • Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:31:14 JST Alex Gleason

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     @coolboymew This is exactly what Google was doing with their FAILED Fuscia OS.

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   • MattZ (colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:31:29 JST MattZ

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     @coolboymew They already did it with coreutils.
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   • MattZ (colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:31:36 JST MattZ

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     @alex @coolboymew They laided off a lot of people from fuscia
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:34:29 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @cyberdystopia yeah, but then, consider how Microsoft bought github and etc. It's not a "preference", it's most likely a push, by the corps
   • CyberDystopia (cyberdystopia@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:34:30 JST CyberDystopia

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     @coolboymew@shitposter.club Yeah I know, although this seems more about the whole free software vs open source feud and license preferences on FOSS software than just Rust at this point.

   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:34:50 JST Moon

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     @deprecated_ii @coolboymew there are companies doing it but i think it's more about getting sole control of the project so they can switch licenses at any time, they can't do it to linux kernel because there's no contribution copyright assignment, if you wanted to change the license you'd have to get buy-in from every single contributor.
     
     nobody who's not disclosing source code is doing it you're right though lol, there isn't even conscious thought about vioating GPL for most companies they just use whatever a developer finds online and don't care. I have seen it many times.
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   • Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:34:54 JST Himbo Techbro

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     But it's mEmOrY sAfE!

     As in the safety of free software is a distant memory.

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   • Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:36:17 JST Jeff Cliff

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     that's kinda what I've been saying since I discovered rust
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   • CyberDystopia (cyberdystopia@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:42:14 JST CyberDystopia

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     @coolboymew@shitposter.club I think that comes under "free software vs open source feud", the fsf does consider "open source" a corporate co-opt

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   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:45:27 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     @deprecated_ii @coolboymew look at why clang became a forced meme, it has to do with the gpl v3
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:46:27 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @Amikke @alex ... And then we get no contributions back, no fundings, no nothing while people work for free for the corps to profit from it
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   • Amikke (amikke@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:46:28 JST Amikke

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     @coolboymew @alex gnutards will find conspiracy theories everywhere. If you coded in C or C++ and any modern language you are probably all too well aware of the insane gap of QoL and bug surface between them. People wanted to toss out C++ 20 years ago and this only increased with time; there’s no conspiracy or corpo push needed for most of developers to jump onto a sensible replacement once it finally appeared. Many of those developers work at corps so corps jump on it too, no surprises there.

   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:47:47 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     @r000t @coolboymew so were many pascal likes
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   • Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 01:52:03 JST Himbo Techbro

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     Nah mate Rust is memory safe and if you don't want to use Rust you're a bigot.
     @coolboymew

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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 02:08:22 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @netdoll @alex @Amikke I dunno about that, Rust also seems to have a pretty big corporate backing behind it
   • pretty punisher (netdoll@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 02:08:23 JST pretty punisher

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     @coolboymew @Amikke @alex Where this conspiracy falls apart for me is that if they wanted to do license laundering, they have plenty of ways to do it already without resorting to "rewrite it in rust". So as much as it's a tempting pov, I feel like the two are more or less unrelated. (side note: the GPL family of licenses has failed in their stated objective, but that's another discussion for another day)
   • josemanuel@qoto.org's status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 02:10:02 JST josemanuel

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     @deprecated_ii Years ago, I was tasked with checking the licenses of every library and framework we used on a project and find replacements for those that were under the GPL.

     So, yeah, it does hold megacorps back.

     @coolboymew

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   • pretty punisher (netdoll@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 02:25:18 JST pretty punisher

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     @deprecated_ii @josemanuel @coolboymew Nor is corporations abiding by GPL necessarily the Freedom Increasing outcome many advocates like to claim it is (see for example how Artifex and parts of Oracle have built their entire business model around copyright trolling with AGPLv3)
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   • d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 02:25:19 JST d

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     @josemanuel @coolboymew And if they had chosen not to do that, nothing would've changed.
     
     "Corporations decide to abide by GPL sometimes" is not the same thing as "corporations have to abide by GPL".
   • pretty punisher (netdoll@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 02:25:29 JST pretty punisher

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     @coolboymew @Amikke @alex Because they've been looking for something like Rust for quite a while. Really, the whole "memory safe language without garbage collection" premise was enough to sell most corpos sight unseen, ditto with the fact that it was designed and marketed as a drop-in replacement for C++ with the backing of a large company and not as a pure research project. It's like saying Java is some huge conspiracy against FOSS because it came out in the 90s and there was a push to rewrite Everything in it. The reality is just more complicated I'm afraid.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 02:38:20 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @Amikke @alex I'm not sure I can agree when in the end, you get Open Source code in some potentially nefarious crap like Intel Management Engine
   • Amikke (amikke@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 02:38:21 JST Amikke

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     @coolboymew @alex I was only talking about how unnecessary and therefore unlikely a conspiracy/intentional push is, the license flame war is a whole another can of worms.

     But if I am to touch that topic I’m of the opinion that MIT-like licenses are the main contributor to the open source boom we witnessed in the past decade. You may not like it but day-job developers are the biggest workforce. Without GPL companies are actually willing to use open source projects and since maintaining a fork is more effort they do contribute back. In fact the claim that we get no contributions back is silly when for example the entire front-end ecosystem is driven by corp developers. (Which might be one of the reasons it’s so shit but that’s beside the point.) If gnutards had their way it basically wouldn’t exist and every company would be cooking up its own variant of shitty in-house frameworks.

     MIT popularised open source incomparably better than a bunch of neckbeards unsuccessfully whining about freedom for decades at that point, and redirected a significant part of employed developers’ effort from in-house to open source and collaboration. That’s a huge win in my book.

     A license that is trying to grab companies by the throat and force them to contribute is pointless without the means to actually grab them by the throat and force them to even accept it. Linux did it because it’s so huge and complex that developing an alternative in-house isn’t feasible. It’s an exception, not the rule.

   • pretty punisher (netdoll@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 02:42:17 JST pretty punisher

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     @coolboymew @Amikke @alex And if it wasn't MINIX, they would have used some other RTOS. There really isn't much that actually gets prevented in the grand scheme of things, and the only way to a just and equitable scheme for software past the current status quo is copyright abolition.
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   • gamercat (gamercat@shota.house)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 02:42:51 JST gamercat

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     @netdoll @deprecated_ii @josemanuel @coolboymew I think this is a little different, before there was a very cool C compiler, TCC, it could even compile a kernel quickly, on old hardware, now we have a raster that is not quite suitable for old hardware, because no one will rewrite the old drivers for x86 processors, or mips, they will most likely want to remove all backward compatibility for old computers, for example gnu-utils will be rewritten for raster, the old hardware will not receive gnu-utils updates, the old hardware will have the latest version in C as I understand this situation
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   • pomstan (pomstan@xn--p1abe3d.xn--80asehdb)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 05:13:55 JST pomstan

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     @coolboymew no, but Go is

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   • Maija (Under 7666's Bed Arc) (maija@comp.lain.la)'s status on Saturday, 19-Aug-2023 10:00:45 JST Maija (Under 7666's Bed Arc)

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     @coolboymew gigabrained if so
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