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1. Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 05:13:56 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

   I'm always kinda surprised that Factorio is so popular with developers, given that it's basically "technical debt, the game!"

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 05:17:04 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     what if your technical debt was represented visually and sometimes got you killed?

     NOW THAT'S A GAME!

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 05:21:00 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     although I guess it's like that quote about how techies are into pen & paper RPGs because of the fantasy of having a clearly explained quest that they can actually complete

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 05:23:20 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     the big draw of factorio is not that it's a giant spaghetti pile of technical debt of your own making... it's that you can spend an hour of intense work FIXING that technical debt. that's the unrealistic fantasy this game is providing

   • zaratustra (zaratustra@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 05:42:39 JST zaratustra

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     @foone sometimes i try to play it. i make one factory, then the game wants me to make a second, identical factory. then i quit

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 05:42:39 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • zaratustra

     @zaratustra that's the trick: you're supposed to realize your previous factory was an abomination in the eyes of man and god, and vow to make your next factory better, well designed from the start.

     then repeat this loop until the game ends and/or you get tired of playing it.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 05:47:19 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • zaratustra

     @zaratustra so I guess you took the smart way out. you recognized the endlessness of this cycle and got out early

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 05:48:50 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     game: this factory is technical debt in visual form. every conveyor belt is placed in such a way that made sense hours ago but now is nothing but a blight on your dreams

     techie gamers: why would I play this?

     game: and you get to fix it without any meetings

     techie gamers: THIS IS THE BEST GAME EVER MADE

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 06:30:24 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     we hope to reach a proof of concept minimum viable product of launching the escape rocket by Q3 2025

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 06:30:25 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     bad idea:
     I'm gonna get some other devops and we're gonna play a longform factorio multiplayer game together.
     we're going to have a jira, proper change management, daily standups, multipart epics to track our long-term deliverables, and set up pagerduty so that we can be alerted when there's a biter attack that needs immediate attention.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 06:46:02 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     lemme google how to deploy to factorio from github actions

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 06:48:08 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     I'm sure one of those weirdos on stackoverflow has done this already

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 06:50:19 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     are you gonna be able to make it to this afternoon's postmortem on the biter attack that took out the coal mine train station?

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 06:57:08 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     anyway I can see how this game was inspired by modding minecraft, because that's the only environment I've ever coded in where my source code was at risk of being lost because it got exploded

   • Matt Palmer (womble@infosec.exchange)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 07:04:14 JST Matt Palmer

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     • Ryan Bateman :blobpats:

     @secretsquirrel oh no, you never beat Factorio. Launching a rocket is only the beginning. (He says, as he clears another few thousand tiles of alien life to build a second 1200 science per minute outpost)

     @foone

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 07:04:14 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Matt Palmer
     • Ryan Bateman :blobpats:

     @womble @secretsquirrel yeah. it's like minecraft: you don't BEAT it just because you reached the ending, you just challenge yourself to do more and/or you install mods to make it weirder and harder

   • Ryan Bateman :blobpats: (secretsquirrel@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 07:04:15 JST Ryan Bateman :blobpats:

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     @foone I mean, you can win in videogames and, by extension in this case, finally *beat* technical debt.
     It really is a fantasy/wish-fulfillment thing.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 07:08:02 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     to paraphrase Pratchett, the point of Factorio is not to teach devs that technical debt exists. devs already know that there is technical debt.

     the point of factorio is to teach devs that technical debt can be beaten.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 07:16:57 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • FoolishOwl
     • ✧✦✶✷Catherine✷✶✦✧

     @whitequark @foolishowl that's exactly the problem I run into when I try to play games like TIS-100 or Shenzhen I/O.

     They're cool games and all but this is literally what I do for work and fun: why do it virtually when I can just... do it?

   • ✧✦✶✷Catherine✷✶✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 07:16:58 JST ✧✦✶✷Catherine✷✶✦✧

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     • FoolishOwl

     @foolishowl @foone why would i do that instead of actual engineering

   • ✧✦✶✷Catherine✷✶✦✧ (whitequark@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 07:17:03 JST ✧✦✶✷Catherine✷✶✦✧

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     @foone multiplayer factorio: existss

   • FoolishOwl (foolishowl@social.coop)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 07:17:03 JST FoolishOwl

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     • ✧✦✶✷Catherine✷✶✦✧

     @whitequark @foone I've thought the best thing about Space Engineers is that everything is half broken and poorly documented and the UI is clumsy, but you can still make things work somehow, which seems like a pretty decent simulation of engineering. Or at least of being a second rate computer technician.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 07:18:35 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Karel P Kerezman

     @greyduck yeah there's not many things you can say about Factorio that aren't true of Satisfactory too.

   • Karel P Kerezman (greyduck@wellduck.me)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 07:18:40 JST Karel P Kerezman

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     @foone I mean I'm not going to say this is Satisfactory in a nutshell, but...

     ... no, I'm not going to say it. I'm really not. Honest.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 07:26:18 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Karel P Kerezman
     • Nentuaby🏳️‍🌈

     @Nentuaby @greyduck to some degree! although one thing that's always impressed me with Satisfactory (having played it since the beginning) is how much it's NOT just Factorio-but-3D. They clearly had a lot of their own ideas and also got inspiration from other games (like Subnautica in particular)

     They could have totally just focused on making "Factorio 3D" but didn't, which honestly makes it a far more interesting and better game.

   • Nentuaby🏳️‍🌈 (nentuaby@wandering.shop)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 07:26:19 JST Nentuaby🏳️‍🌈

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     • Karel P Kerezman

     @greyduck @foone It only makes sense. Satisfactory is pretty much Factorio 3D.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 07:42:57 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Neia
     • zaratustra

     @neia @zaratustra exactly.

   • Neia (neia@fedi.ikeran.org)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 07:42:58 JST Neia

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     • zaratustra

     @foone@digipres.club @zaratustra@mastodon.social Oh! It's samsara.

   • Matthew Abbott (matt@oliphaunt.social)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 09:55:40 JST Matthew Abbott

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     @foone RFC: play Satisfactory instead. It’s prettier, has a lot of built-in humor about risking life and limb for a soulless megacorp, has a lot more potential for both aesthetic and functional architecture choices, and the devs seem way cooler than Kovarex.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 09:55:40 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Matthew Abbott

     @matt bold of you to assume I don't just play both and am working on making a factory game of my own

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 09:57:07 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • JP

     @jplebreton that's a good point. I wonder if there's any mods for factorio that make the biters only go after players and not buildings?

     I usually just play on peaceful to avoid this problem, but leaving in some risk (without the danger of losing tons of progress) might be fun

   • JP (jplebreton@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 09:57:08 JST JP

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     @foone funnily enough, i vastly prefer Satisfactory because none of its hostile aliens attack your structures (just you, when you go exploring), so there's no entropy acting on your setup, just your own ability to plan and execute. killing roaches to keep them off your stuff feels too much like "meetings" to me, so I prefer the builder games that elide that.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 13:16:42 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Ben Curran :azure:

     @BenCurranDev that's awesome!
     did it get recorded?

   • Ben Curran :azure: (bencurrandev@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 13:16:43 JST Ben Curran :azure:

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     @foone I did a talk on DevOps in Video Games and Factorio was the main subject, along with Kerbal. The true DevOps of Factorio - there are entire communities who will have arguments over how to best layout a factory, single purpose city blocks (microservices) or raw input to final product chains (monoliths)

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 13:45:57 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Ben Curran :azure:

     @BenCurranDev awesome.

   • Ben Curran :azure: (bencurrandev@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 13-Jan-2024 13:45:58 JST Ben Curran :azure:

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     @foone yeah, it was from Latecy 2023 here https://youtu.be/S4gX_CwvJjo

   • Ticktok (ticktok@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 08:28:44 JST Ticktok

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     • buttplug.io 🍑🔌

     @buttplugio @foone okay well now factorio needs buttplugio integration.

     Fucktorio: Merging your sexual gratification with factory automation!

     .....and/or I need to get someone to fund me to develop an H-game clone of factorio. That might be an untapped genre.

   • buttplug.io 🍑🔌 (buttplugio@buttplug.zone)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 08:28:56 JST buttplug.io 🍑🔌

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     @foone I mean... https://grafana.com/grafana/dashboards/285-factorio/

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jan-2024 08:29:25 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Ticktok
     • buttplug.io 🍑🔌
     • Calico 🏳️‍⚧️

     @ticktok @buttplugio I have bad news about what @calico is making: "femboy factory", an h-game with the initial premise of "what if factorio but the resources you're processing are femboys?"

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jan-2024 04:35:58 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     I've now discovered there's a factorio mod to let you hook it up to pagerduty so that you really can get alerts sent to your on-call team when things break:

     https://mods.factorio.com/user/rz2yoj

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jan-2024 04:37:44 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     the screenshot on their github (showing it sending stats to datadog) leaks that they're playing with the Space Exploration mod, which makes sense.
     That mod isn't a game, it's a part-time job

   • vxo (vxo@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jan-2024 05:26:35 JST vxo

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     @foone this is powerfully cursed :D

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Friday, 19-Jan-2024 03:39:30 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Ronflaix

     @Ronflaix you're welcome. I wasn't talking about satisfactory, but that's a good game too, so it makes sense

   • Ronflaix (ronflaix@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Friday, 19-Jan-2024 03:39:31 JST Ronflaix

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     @foone I believe this is the toot that made me got addicted to Satisfactory again, thank youuuuu