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Heil_Honkler (heil_honkler@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:30:02 JST Heil_Honkler @MCMLXVIIOTG @Awoo @Zerglingman @MK2boogaloo @Hoss >how do you do fellow humans - Machismo repeated this.
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Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:30:13 JST Machismo @Heil_Honkler @Hoss @MK2boogaloo @Awoo @MCMLXVIIOTG Yes good, I forgot to post that here, thank. -
of nothing (apropos@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:39:28 JST of nothing @Heil_Honkler @MCMLXVIIOTG @Awoo @Zerglingman @MK2boogaloo @Hoss
>pass perception roll
>fail persuasion roll
is that all? no:
>fail judgment roll
if this man had such high perception, he should've also perceived how good the disguise was, and the likely consequences of calling it out.
maybe many more NPCs saw through the disguise but were smart enough to keep quiet about it. -
Padoru Awoo (awoo@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:40:07 JST Padoru Awoo @KillerMule
thac0 is where it is at.
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Killer*Mule (killermule@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:40:08 JST Killer*Mule @Heil_Honkler @Awoo @Zerglingman @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @Hoss Sorry, Im old school and only recognize AD&D 2.1 and below. Your rules mean nothing.
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Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:40:31 JST Machismo @Awoo @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @Hoss @Heil_Honkler @KillerMule THAC0 WAS A HORRIBLE EXECUTION OF AN ACTUALLY REASONABLE PREMISE
MUCH LIKE THE AMERICAN DATE FORMAT -
Heil_Honkler (heil_honkler@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:40:33 JST Heil_Honkler @apropos @Awoo @Zerglingman @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @Hoss perception is not wisdom. Machismo likes this. -
Padoru Awoo (awoo@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:40:59 JST Padoru Awoo @apropos
Unless the bear rolled a 1 on his check.
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Padoru Awoo (awoo@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:41:17 JST Padoru Awoo @Heil_Honkler
But it is buffed by wisdom though.
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Padoru Awoo (awoo@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:41:25 JST Padoru Awoo @Zerglingman
Skill issue.
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Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:41:49 JST Machismo @Awoo @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @KillerMule @Hoss @Heil_Honkler Calling a stupid system bad is hardly a skill issue. I can use it, but why would I do that to myself when I could just use good systems and make my life easy? -
Padoru Awoo (awoo@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:43:37 JST Padoru Awoo @Zerglingman
Do you consider D20 to be a good system?
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Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:47:20 JST Machismo @Awoo @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @KillerMule @Hoss @Heil_Honkler I don't consider "D20" to be a system, but rather a family of systems, tied by a single aspect/mechanic.
And I don't think it's a particularly good aspect. Generally you only need to classify the difficulty of any given task in one of ~5 states, where two of those have no roll associated (auto success, auto fail). You can add more granularity if you want, but I think anything above 8 is too much. A better design for this is building around a sliding window of "challenging" tasks, so you can clearly feel, that as your character grows, things that once posed risk are now so easy you just don't have to try/roll, you just can do them for free. -
Killer*Mule (killermule@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:47:45 JST Killer*Mule @Zerglingman @Awoo @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @Heil_Honkler @Hoss
You all are the best. Thank your for allowing my cheap attempt at D&D humor. Honestly, I'm 48 yo and miss role playing so much. My brother was such a good DM. I live vicariously through you all. Heart, Honor and Kick-Ass. Adventure hard, and enjoy the theatre of the mind. -
Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:51:06 JST Machismo @KillerMule @Hoss @Heil_Honkler @MCMLXVIIOTG @MK2boogaloo @Awoo I still want to do a fedi RPG.
I'm willing to GM, but I'm not very good at it - I attempt to simulate a world that doesn't necessarily revolve around the players, and then I take that too far. If we are to start a game I'd look seriously at how to correct that; every time I chat about it I throw another idea around in my head.
I also want some sort of fedi RPG index, so people can look for games, join games, request players for games, etc.
I don't think we need a tool for this, maybe a bot or something. Or, and I'm going to blow some minds with this... A tag. -
Padoru Awoo (awoo@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:51:30 JST Padoru Awoo @Zerglingman
> that as your character grows, things that once posed risk are now so easy you just don't have to try/roll, you just can do them for free.
Its called "Take 10"
I don't know whether or not to agree with you about D20 not really being a system but WOTC shilled the exact some core rules in like 7 different flavours. So I would say there is enough there to call it a system.
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Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:54:26 JST Machismo @Awoo @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @KillerMule @Hoss @Heil_Honkler Take 10 is different. It's about a task's failure state not being catastrophic enough to prevent a retry, eg. looking for secret doors. There's a difference between "I went over the room 5 times before I found it" and "oh it's right there, I could tell from the moment we walked in". I'm not sure that can be properly expressed mechanically other than how much time passes (lol, only 5e group I was in would go sleep for 8 hours after every single fight, time didn't matter to them) and the condition for bypassing the roll. But that's probably good enough. An RPG isn't an RPG by its crunch alone, the GM has to do work to make it a game. -
Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:55:29 JST Machismo @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @KillerMule @Hoss @Heil_Honkler @Awoo Oh and it depends what you mean by "D20". I think of it as no more than "all rolls bar damage use a 20-sided die". -
Padoru Awoo (awoo@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:55:35 JST Padoru Awoo @Zerglingman
I am a boomer hashtags scare me.
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Killer*Mule (killermule@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:55:40 JST Killer*Mule @Zerglingman That would be fascinating and awesome. People gotta commit. And to commit they need to pay a little something, it just helps make it work. Also, like NA social, encourage meetups, give it a cool name, but it could work.
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brimshae - now 90% less rambling, like going on about that one time that this guy.... (brimshae@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:55:49 JST brimshae - now 90% less rambling, like going on about that one time that this guy.... @Awoo @Zerglingman @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @KillerMule @Heil_Honkler @Hoss
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Killer*Mule (killermule@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 13:55:51 JST Killer*Mule @Awoo Me too. G(x) @Zerglingman @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @Heil_Honkler @Hoss
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Padoru Awoo (awoo@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:01:52 JST Padoru Awoo @Zerglingman
There was a rollless system going around awhile back. Can't remember what it was called. Focused mostly on the story telling with the stats taking a very backseat roll.
IIRC the basic gist of it was that you pick certain skills/traits for your characters and these came into play. For example if you character was an apprentice blacksmith, you could do all the things expected of an apprentice blacksmith and as you leveled up you got new skills/traits to add or you could level up existing ones.
GM was encouraged to "fumble" a lot for narrative purposes. System relied very heavily on good faith between players and the GM. It was not a system for Chaotic Randoms, min-maxers or people that kept on trying to pull stupid shit.
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Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:02:22 JST Machismo @Awoo @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @KillerMule @Hoss @Heil_Honkler RPGS WERE NEVER A SYSTEM FOR CHAOTIC RANDOMS, MINMAXERS OR PEOPLE THAT KEEP ON TRYING TO PULL STUPID SHIT
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Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:02:38 JST Machismo @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @KillerMule @Hoss @Heil_Honkler @Awoo AND TCGS -
Padoru Awoo (awoo@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:03:17 JST Padoru Awoo @Zerglingman
They ruined them too. I just want to play fun armies not some stupid "netdeck" tier bullshit.
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Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:04:18 JST Machismo @Awoo @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @KillerMule @Hoss @Heil_Honkler ANAL RAPE NETDECKERS WITH A RUSTY POLE
ALL TCG CONSTRUCTED FORMATS WILL ALWAYS BE BAD DUE TO THE NECESSARY EXISTENCE OF AN ONLINE SINGLES MARKET RESULTING IN A DIRECT MONEY->POWER TRANSLATION -
Padoru Awoo (awoo@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:04:21 JST Padoru Awoo @Zerglingman
TCGs is the game of assholes. Especially MTG and blue decks.
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Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:05:59 JST Machismo @Awoo @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @KillerMule @Hoss @Heil_Honkler BLUE DECKS AREN'T EVEN THAT BAD
COUNTERSPELLS ARE FUCKING SHIT
EVEN THE ORIGINAL UU NO-CONDITION COUNTERSPELL WAS NOT THAT GOOD
THERE HAVE ONLY EVER BEEN TWO GOOD COUNTERSPELLS, AND THEY WERE BOTH, UNSURPRISINGLY, BANNED INTO OBLIVION
(ACTUALLY I LIE, DECREE OF SILENCE AND ITS ILK ARE NOT TERRIBLE.)
EVEN FUCKING GREEN HAS BETTER CONTROL THAN BLUE, AND WHITE KICKS BLUE'S ASS 20 WAYS TO WEDNESDAY -
Padoru Awoo (awoo@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:06:08 JST Padoru Awoo @Zerglingman
You ever tried GURPS?
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Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:07:23 JST Machismo @Awoo @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @KillerMule @Hoss @Heil_Honkler Yeah, once. I was GMing and I had no idea what I was doing. I made some NPCs with all 15s in their stats and then the PCs only made them roll once, with a group attack, and I ended up aliasing out their stats for that roll. ツ
And then the PCs spent like 2 hours bitching at me for doing it anyway when they found out. -
Padoru Awoo (awoo@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:07:53 JST Padoru Awoo @Zerglingman
>playing with banlists
My games were always casual, fuck WOTC cash grabbing set rotation bullshit.
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Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:10:44 JST Machismo @Awoo @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @KillerMule @Hoss @Heil_Honkler Yeah that's the only good way to do "constructed" TCGs, is to only play with friends so it doesn't matter.
Honestly the whole TCG concept bothers me because I so badly want it to be good but I think it just can't be. There is no way to achieve that dream of a player having their own unique style... Unless you write some rules that allow players to effectively add custom cards. You've gotta have *something* that can be broken down to such a degree that you can't predict the results of every possible combination, without it being stupidly OP, and that's hard. But maybe not impossible. -
Padoru Awoo (awoo@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:10:55 JST Padoru Awoo @Zerglingman
Local shop tried to get me and my friends to play there but we turned them down. I would rather not play with 10 year olds. Especially when my decks were built to win in 2-3 turns.
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Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:12:55 JST Machismo @Awoo @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @KillerMule @Hoss @Heil_Honkler Everyone just plays commander now because it fixes a bunch of problems with standard, basically setting dupe limit to 1 and deck min size to 100 makes it much harder to stack your deck into always drawing your winning combo by turn 2.
But then it also has no rotation so it's stupid again. Rotation sucks for players but it's good for game balance. -
Padoru Awoo (awoo@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:13:05 JST Padoru Awoo @Zerglingman
You ever given any LCGs a go? There the ones where you buy the box that has 4(or max limit) of every card in the set. Was meant to do away with the whole money = power and RNG aspect of TCGs.
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Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:13:28 JST Machismo @Awoo @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @KillerMule @Hoss @Heil_Honkler I have a copy of uhhh
The WHF one, Conquest?
I really want to play it some more but I don't know anyone who's interested anymore. -
Padoru Awoo (awoo@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:14:25 JST Padoru Awoo @Zerglingman
I think I have the starter box of that. The game ended up getting canned didn't it?
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Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:14:47 JST Machismo @Awoo @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @KillerMule @Hoss @Heil_Honkler Yeah GW did GW things and the 40k "replacement" is some lore-raping homo hugbox shit. -
Padoru Awoo (awoo@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:15:53 JST Padoru Awoo @Zerglingman
GW is really strange when it comes to licensed stuff. They loved pulling the contract and then giving it to another company at random.
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Padoru Awoo (awoo@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:19:36 JST Padoru Awoo @Zerglingman
Also Invasion was the WHF one and Conquest was the 40K one.
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Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:20:29 JST Machismo @Awoo @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @KillerMule @Hoss @Heil_Honkler Anyway, enough making fun of companies that suck, back to RPGs.
I am really interested to try Engine Heart just for the novelty of it.
I also want to noodle around with GSGRPG, the end-goal for that is an RPG that can be played in bite-size chunks, basically... But at this point I'm not sure I will be able to call it an RPG, maybe more of a boardgame with some fluff [but I am very proud of how that fluff ends up working back into crunch, I like it almost as much as I like how sat bonus works in Sengoku Rance]. For now, at least, it's very much alpha; I am still trying to figure out how combat should work at all. So it'd be sporadic "who's online let's test xyz".
I don't mind playing more standard fantasy-type stuff too, PF, SW, etc.
I am willing to GM all of these, with aforementioned caveat. -
Killer*Mule (killermule@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:21:18 JST Killer*Mule @Awoo @Zerglingman @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @Heil_Honkler @Hoss
For perspective, GM's/DM's developed and kept secret their screens and modified in secret the calculations and roll calcs and mods they made. Its sad how complicated something already complicated got. They just modded the charts they had on a carboard screen to their liking in real time on sheets of paper. Now we allow comps and software to change how we want the game to be played.Machismo likes this. -
Padoru Awoo (awoo@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:22:48 JST Padoru Awoo @Zerglingman
I just ended up making my systems to suit what sort of game was being played.
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Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:25:14 JST Machismo @Awoo @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @KillerMule @Hoss @Heil_Honkler Reasonable. The system should be an aide to the players, so developing it on the fly should be guaranteed to achieve that. But prebuilding a system can save rewriting a lot of baseline work; if you find a system annoying to work with, by all means throw it out. But it's worth at least a try. -
Padoru Awoo (awoo@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:28:39 JST Padoru Awoo @KillerMule
Unfortunately as time went on and new people were introduced into the medium a lot of trust between players and the GM went out the window. So the game changed to reflect that more.
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Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:28:51 JST Machismo @Awoo @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @Hoss @Heil_Honkler @KillerMule FUCK NORMIES
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Padoru Awoo (awoo@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:30:39 JST Padoru Awoo @Zerglingman
Wouldn't really say I did them on the fly. A bit of work went into some of them. Used to run little simulations to make sure odds didn't end up too out of balance but kept enough variance to keep things interesting.
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Leyonhjelm (leyonhjelm@breastmilk.club)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:54:06 JST Leyonhjelm First rule I learned as a DM is never reveal what’s needed on a roll and if the roll doesn’t help the story, ignore it and start bullshitting.
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Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:55:29 JST Machismo @leyonhjelm @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @Hoss @Heil_Honkler @Awoo @KillerMule This is why I think it's good to give the job of checks to a computer, actually, because you just shove all the players' stats into your machine and then do all the rolls in secret; players don't even have to know when you're rolling.
The main drawback is that rolling dice is fun, and so doing this denies the players fun. -
Padoru Awoo (awoo@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:58:36 JST Padoru Awoo @Zerglingman
NGL I love playing around the dice at the table.
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Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 14:59:13 JST Machismo @Awoo @leyonhjelm @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @KillerMule @Hoss @Heil_Honkler Dice are fun. I keep 3 sets of dice on my desk right by my main monitor, plus another in my top drawer. Just in case.
The rest of my dice live in a box at my store. -
Leyonhjelm (leyonhjelm@breastmilk.club)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 15:02:14 JST Leyonhjelm I roll dice in secret for effect. Or for real. And the players will never know. I also make players roll and don’t always tell them why. Random WIS or INT that may or may not influence what they’re told or what happens
The best case scenario is the players feel like they’re in the situation and become more curious. And more in character. Overall, my players have been happy with the results. Only one was angry enough to start a band to play songs about how much he hates me. And the other unhappy player is my brother and he hates me on principle.
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Killer*Mule (killermule@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 15:02:20 JST Killer*Mule @Zerglingman This is great. My brother was so sneaky when rolling. LOL
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Ronald Redball (rredball@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 15:04:22 JST Ronald Redball @leyonhjelm @Awoo @Zerglingman @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @KillerMule @Heil_Honkler @Hoss and your principal hates you too, for all the random dice checks?
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Leyonhjelm (leyonhjelm@breastmilk.club)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 15:05:52 JST Leyonhjelm My principal loved me. We practically shared an office
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Ronald Redball (rredball@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Dec-2023 15:57:21 JST Ronald Redball @leyonhjelm @Awoo @Zerglingman @MK2boogaloo @MCMLXVIIOTG @KillerMule @Heil_Honkler @Hoss an orafice?
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