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Soy_Magnus (soy_magnus@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 06:42:27 JST 
Soy_Magnus
@sjw @crunklord420 @pernia odd question for you guys do any of you know any good coders on here that code in java¿ I've only seen people say they dont like it that know any coding but i know its popular -
CrunkLord420 (crunklord420@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 06:42:26 JST 
CrunkLord420
@Soy_Magnus @pernia no one writes Java by choice. The type of person who writes Java for a living doesn't talk about programming on the internet. -
CrunkLord420 (crunklord420@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 06:59:01 JST
CrunkLord420
@Soy_Magnus @pernia there's tons of Java jobs because it's a 90s corpo-lang that was adopted by the largest institutions. They wanted wanted to turn programmers into encapsulated OOP cogs. Java also has garbage collection to "solve" "the billion dollar mistake". So instead of programmers fixing bugs they just write a script to restart Tomcat whenever their back-end crashes due to Out of Memory errors.
Your average Java programmer is an H1B Indian with diplo-mill degrees. -
Soy_Magnus (soy_magnus@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 06:59:02 JST
Soy_Magnus
@crunklord420 @pernia i see. The pay grade for java coders seemed pretty fair when i looked up some info about it, is it one of those things people hate doing so much that they pay well enough to attract the talent¿ -
CrunkLord420 (crunklord420@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 07:10:59 JST
CrunkLord420
@Soy_Magnus @pernia @caekislove I'm not going to discourage a non-programmer from learning any programming language but I fear it would force you to learn useless things (like setting up a Java dev environment) and teach you bad habits (OOP, Garbage Collection). Java is not the "easiest" (high abstraction) language to learn, and it's not a fundamental language to learn.
I don't know Java, but I can read and write it because it's not that different from C/C++/C#/Golang because it all inherits from C.
Anyways, just learn C. It will unironically be easier than learning all the OOP shit they'll shove into your brain. I speak from personal experience. When I was very young I bought a C++ book and it stunted my desire to learn programming for years. Why? Because it didn't start from fundamentals, it just immediately jumped into OOP ideology. I should have just bought a C book, or a C-style C++ book. -
Soy_Magnus (soy_magnus@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 07:11:00 JST
Soy_Magnus
@crunklord420 @pernia @caekislove i picked up a book from GoodWill about java and problem solving cause its a full programing overview and i figured itd be a good one to explaine the general process of programming. Do you think it would be a wise move to learn it¿ it sounds like i could easily find a nice paying job without a proffessional certificate so that's def a bonus -
CrunkLord420 (crunklord420@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 07:15:26 JST
CrunkLord420
@Soy_Magnus @caekislove @pernia also C# really took a lot of mind share from Java. They're broadly the same idea. I see Java as more of a legacy language compared to C#. If you're getting a Java job, you're probably maintaining a 20 year old code base. People do write new projects in C# regularly. Unity has successfully pushed C# onto tons of gamedevs as well. -
Soy_Magnus (soy_magnus@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 07:19:34 JST
Soy_Magnus
@crunklord420 @pernia @caekislove they did have a python book pernia said would be good to pick up they still have a unix book but that didnt sound like what i was looking for -
CrunkLord420 (crunklord420@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 07:19:34 JST
CrunkLord420
@Soy_Magnus @pernia @caekislove I've never learned a language from a book except that C++ one I mentioned. Don't feel you have to spend money on anything, plus you can pirate whatever off libgen/zlib.
Personally I learn better but learning as I do. Just keep working until you hit a road block then research it to overcome. -
CrunkLord420 (crunklord420@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 07:20:46 JST
CrunkLord420
@NEETzsche @pernia @Soy_Magnus @caekislove in retrospect it's insane how everyone just accepted OOP as this great thing despite it not being that great at all. It must have been a top-down corpo thing saying it'll make it easier to compartmentalize programmers or something. -
NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 07:20:47 JST 
NEETzsche
@crunklord420 @pernia @Soy_Magnus @caekislove >still malding about OOP -
CrunkLord420 (crunklord420@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 07:22:12 JST
CrunkLord420
@NEETzsche @Soy_Magnus @caekislove @pernia this video is to OOP as Casey's video on "Clean Code": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM1iUe6IofM -
Soy_Magnus (soy_magnus@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 07:57:37 JST
Soy_Magnus
@caekislove @crunklord420 @pernia @NEETzsche thank you for these insights. Im working through it rn im only in the first few pages but im reading a bunch of books rn so itll probably take me about 6 months before I start finishing them i try reading at least a few pages a day so i can reflect on the material out of a few of the books -
NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 07:57:37 JST
NEETzsche
@Soy_Magnus The main reason to learn C is because it's the lingua franca of programming, which is to say, once you learn it you learn most other languages, not because it's actually productive for most projects.
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Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 07:57:38 JST 
Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️
@NEETzsche @Soy_Magnus @crunklord420 @pernia Well he said he wanted to possibly do programming as a profession, and companies expect you to grok OOP even if it sucks and you don't use it by choice, which is why I didn't want to discourage him. -
NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 07:57:39 JST
NEETzsche
@Soy_Magnus @crunklord420 @pernia @caekislove My take is that bitching about OOP as being a "bad habit" and trying to convince everybody to write everything in C is what happens when you start overdosing on your own Asperger's. -
Soy_Magnus (soy_magnus@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 07:57:40 JST
Soy_Magnus
@NEETzsche @crunklord420 @pernia @caekislove whats your take fren¿ -
CrunkLord420 (crunklord420@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 07:58:28 JST
CrunkLord420
@NEETzsche @pernia @Soy_Magnus @caekislove CyberChud is written in C with only a subset of the standard library. The only feature I kinda felt would have been nice was compile-time metaprogramming specifically so I could extra-optimize my fragment shader, and I worked around that with pre-processor flags. -
CrunkLord420 (crunklord420@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 08:00:03 JST
CrunkLord420
@Soy_Magnus @pernia @caekislove @NEETzsche the tech demo was released August 11th. But next August 11th I plan to have a proper game release. -
Soy_Magnus (soy_magnus@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 08:00:04 JST
Soy_Magnus
@crunklord420 @pernia @caekislove @NEETzsche oh that reminds me hows the game going¿ -
Soy_Magnus (soy_magnus@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 08:01:47 JST
Soy_Magnus
@crunklord420 @pernia @caekislove @NEETzsche NICE did u stay in budget¿ CrunkLord420 likes this. -
CrunkLord420 (crunklord420@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 07:11:53 JST
CrunkLord420
@Soy_Magnus @pernia @caekislove @NEETzsche invest in an eReader, used if you have to. Paper books are basically just trash that accumulate until you move and realize you don't want to transport it.
Plus piracy. -
NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 07:11:54 JST
NEETzsche
It’s for a TTRPG. TTRPG chargen tends to be pretty elaborate and complicated, so writing a script that asks an LLM questions like, “You are a crooked undercover detective. What is your preferred Skill: Streetwise, Brawl, or Crafts?” Makes that process easier. It should have the sense to respond “Streetwise.”
Only difference is, my script goes through each step one by one, and modifies the submitted possible answers based on past choices, while also providing the entire character sheet (so far in the process) as context clues.
It makes surprisingly good choices, including the freeform parts where you make shit up whole cloth. But you have to go through the trouble of breaking it down into steps, and spelling out what is and isn’t a legal choice.
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Soy_Magnus (soy_magnus@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 07:11:54 JST
Soy_Magnus
@NEETzsche @crunklord420 @pernia @caekislove there wego it was $8 but the origibal price was 59.80. This may be more what i walooking for ill shelf the other one for now -
Soy_Magnus (soy_magnus@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 07:11:55 JST
Soy_Magnus
@NEETzsche @crunklord420 @pernia @caekislove hey thats awesome is that like an rpg of some type¿ i didnt know you coded games too¡ -
NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 07:11:56 JST
NEETzsche
I’m not ideologically opposed to C. I wrote a simple vector database in C so that I could make it crunch through OpenAI embeddings really fast. High level scripting languages like Python and Ruby just don’t cut it.
But then recently I also wrote this thing that takes CofD/WoD character sheets in a particular JSON schema and dumps out ANSI art sheets. I also wrote a script that goes through the process of chargen in this game by hitting the OpenAI API to make choices; the script prepares the legal range of options for the AI to choose from, and asks it to do so based on what the character sheet looks like so far. I wrote both of these scripts in Ruby, since what I’m doing isn’t number crunching, and is by and large really just string manipulation and hitting an API.
My point is not “use OOP, it is the best, cleave to the OOP.” My point is “don’t be an ideologue, choose the right tool for the job.”
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Soy_Magnus (soy_magnus@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 07:25:50 JST
Soy_Magnus
@crunklord420 @pernia @caekislove @NEETzsche i love those things but atm i have to conserve energy as i live in a van and do t have a place to charge at. Id like to get a good quality cheap computer maybe from a pawn shop or newegg. Atm im using non electric means and not sure how long it will be like that but at leastte foreseeable future CrunkLord420 likes this. -
CrunkLord420 (crunklord420@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 07:30:01 JST
CrunkLord420
@Soy_Magnus @pernia @caekislove @NEETzsche Offices are liquidating their fleets of Lenovo T480's at this moment so you can buy one for like $200 used. I did the same thing years back and picked up a T440p. They're not lightweight, but they're durable and cheap. -
Soy_Magnus (soy_magnus@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 07:35:38 JST
Soy_Magnus
@crunklord420 @pernia @caekislove @NEETzsche nice! What auction site do you use¿ -
CrunkLord420 (crunklord420@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 07:35:38 JST
CrunkLord420
@Soy_Magnus @pernia @caekislove @NEETzsche I bought off a local classifieds site and met in person for cash (no tax). If you're in the US Amazon sells them as "renewed" for under $200. -
Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 11:03:11 JST
Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️
@Soy_Magnus @crunklord420 @pernia Java was designed to accommodate crappy programmers (Indians), so that's like asking "know any artists specializing in crayons?" Sure they probably exist but it's hard to see past the medium. The day Oracle started charging for Java was a happy day for me because I threw out my copy of Java: The Complete Reference, confident that I would never again be asked to write something in that terrible language. -
ec670@pawoo.net's status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 11:03:33 JST 
ec670
@caekislove @crunklord420 @pernia@cum.salon @Soy_Magnus
As a #dotNET #NET #developer I’m curious why you would say that.
Is garbage collection bad?
Is there a performance hit that somehow offsets the improved implementation/delivery time?
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ec670@pawoo.net's status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 11:04:37 JST
ec670
@caekislove @crunklord420 @pernia@cum.salon @Soy_Magnus
A higher-level philosophical question is whether there are too many #programming #languages. Or even if C++ was a mistake
There’s an obnoxious #conspiracy theory that says C++ was invented to introduce complexity into coding standards and inflate salaries for senior developers
Absurd, of course. Or is it?
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CrunkLord420 (crunklord420@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 11:05:12 JST
CrunkLord420
@ec670 @caekislove @Soy_Magnus that's not a criticism of C++, it's a criticism of OOP, it just so happens that C++ is largely about OOP. You can still write C-style C++. Template metaprogramming isn't OOP. -
Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 11:27:16 JST
Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️
@ec670 @crunklord420 @Soy_Magnus Garbage collection is fine, but other languages do it without all the lengthy boilerplate and OOP-or-get-fucked paradigm of Java. -
CrunkLord420 (crunklord420@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 11:27:56 JST
CrunkLord420
@caekislove @Soy_Magnus @ec670 garbage collection is "fine" if you don't generate garbage which defeats the purpose of garbage collection.
CyberChud never de-allocates memory back to the OS. It reuses it's memory. I use a buddy allocator if I need something more permanent than an than a arena allocator. I roll up multiple allocations into a single larger one and distribute the memory myself to reduce fragmentation, waste and SYSCALLs. -
ec670@pawoo.net's status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 11:30:08 JST
ec670
@crunklord420 @Soy_Magnus @caekislove
Maybe I’m a moron but what is CyberChud?
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CrunkLord420 (crunklord420@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 11:30:54 JST
CrunkLord420
@ec670 @Soy_Magnus @caekislove my freestanding TempleOS/Desktop/WASM 3D software rasterizing game engine: https://scumgames.neocities.org/cyberchud -
ec670@pawoo.net's status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 11:46:45 JST
ec670
@Soy_Magnus @crunklord420 @caekislove
This is a thread on garbage collection
So I guess you’re on-topic
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Soy_Magnus (soy_magnus@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 11:46:45 JST
Soy_Magnus
@ec670 @crunklord420 @caekislove how dare you be so mean to us. Now your not invited to my super secret trash party Gyaru Enjoyer likes this. -
Soy_Magnus (soy_magnus@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 11:46:46 JST
Soy_Magnus
@crunklord420 @caekislove @ec670 when i get to a point ill be spamming f i need as many troons as i can spawn. I hope tgeres a way to misgender them -
ec670@pawoo.net's status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 14:18:10 JST
ec670
@Soy_Magnus @crunklord420 @caekislove
...because of this, passing text into a function, or back from a function, in #C, is a lot more trouble than it’s worth. It’s the sort of #interview question you use to #gaslight prospects who think they’re hot shots.
But in the dark ages, there was no other way to get text information into or out of a function.
File names and file paths. Host names. Usernames and password. Context of a text file. Command line arguments.
C is a puzzle.
4/4
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† top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 14:18:10 JST 
† top dog :pedomustdie:
@ec670 @Soy_Magnus @crunklord420 @caekislove cc @kirby Can we get some corrections from a c programmer on these statements. -
Soy_Magnus (soy_magnus@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 14:18:11 JST
Soy_Magnus
@caekislove @crunklord420 @ec670 hmmm so dos it patch all the broken code¿ -
Soy_Magnus (soy_magnus@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 14:18:12 JST
Soy_Magnus
@ec670 @caekislove @crunklord420 im lear ing coding stuff right now and i just realizedu meant an industry term by "garbage collection" i thought u were just being a booger lol. Wht fo you mean by it i heard someone else refer to it in a video -
Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 14:18:12 JST
Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️
@Soy_Magnus @ec670 @crunklord420 Yes it is a built in feature of the programming language where you don't have to think about memory management at the expense of usually unnoticeable slower performance and sometime cripplingly slower performance.
Well-written code doesn't need it, but the world runs on poorly-written code, so it is what it is. -
ec670@pawoo.net's status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 14:19:58 JST
ec670
@dcc @crunklord420 @Soy_Magnus @caekislove @kirby
Good luck finding one LOL
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† top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 14:19:58 JST
† top dog :pedomustdie:
@ec670 @crunklord420 @Soy_Magnus @caekislove @kirby I mean i have many people i can cc..... :alex_lol: -
this ad CAN be blocked, bitch (kirby@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Nov-2023 22:16:10 JST 
this ad CAN be blocked, bitch
@ec670 @Soy_Magnus @crunklord420 @caekislove nuh uh
func("string literal");
char* functhatreturnsstr();Machismo likes this. -
þernia (pernia@cum.salon)'s status on Sunday, 03-Dec-2023 15:05:02 JST 
þernia
@crunklord420 @Soy_Magnus @caekislove @NEETzsche i aint trustuing renewed amazon horseshit in my life again, fucking scammers -
CrunkLord420 (crunklord420@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Sunday, 03-Dec-2023 15:05:02 JST
CrunkLord420
@pernia @Soy_Magnus @caekislove @NEETzsche it's all the same. I'm pretty sure Amazon "Renewed" you're getting first party return policy. Buying from a third-party on Amazon is more like eBay rules. When I got my 3090 I straight up recorded myself opening the box, checking the tape and corners for tampering, so if I was mailed a brick I'd at least have some evidence. -
þernia (pernia@cum.salon)'s status on Sunday, 03-Dec-2023 22:35:02 JST
þernia
@NEETzsche @crunklord420 @Soy_Magnus @caekislove vector i think. whats the chargen shit? -
NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Dec-2023 22:35:03 JST
NEETzsche
Are you talking about my vector database or the chargen shit?
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þernia (pernia@cum.salon)'s status on Sunday, 03-Dec-2023 22:35:04 JST
þernia
@NEETzsche @crunklord420 @Soy_Magnus @caekislove that sounds pretty cool actually. you got the source somewhere or is this for profitseeking purposes? -
NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Dec-2023 22:35:25 JST
NEETzsche
Read the whole post.
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