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@robbie @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @KennyWhitePowers @WeissenSocken88 @idea_enjoyer I don’t know if you guys know how hungry they’ve been to find “the next tyra”, even the next beyonce (had she not struck out on her own)
One Tyra is enough to convince entire generations of the utter nonsense that attractive black women exist in greater proportion than once in every 10 million births
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@robbie @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @KennyWhitePowers @WeissenSocken88 @idea_enjoyer Come to think about it I bet there’s some interesting thread you could make about how beyonce confounded their plans. You had a somewhat pretty black girl all ready to be thrust into the spotlight as a “see? cracker? If there’s a girl like this then there’s GOTTA be billions of them! You should fight for more black rights and immigration to get more hot negresses like this!!!”
….Except Beyonce didn’t play ball. She got married and kept her business smart, never gave them all that much tabloid coverage, and became a ‘sex symbol’….to women. She never got any interest from the boys, she was this fuzzy gray blob that guys ignored only to hear their wives and girlfriend say they wish they could be like her.
Such a weird situation, the more I chew on it.
PunishedD
@WashedOutGundamPilot @robbie @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @KennyWhitePowers @WeissenSocken88 @idea_enjoyer That’s a perfect description of the situation.
Years ago a friend’s wife did the “totem pole” quiz on me, where she asks which of 2 celebrities are hotter, then pairs the winners against each other. Eventually you get a ranking and discover the guy’s type that he’s attracted to. (I guess it came out of a magazine somewhere, every girl suddenly demanded all the men in our circle do it.)
It failed pretty hard because I didn’t recognize most of the celebrities she named. When she said “Beyonce”, I did recognize the name, but had no clue what she looked like so they still had to pull up a picture. Gave a passing “eh, she’s OK”, and she was kind of shocked.
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@PunishedD @robbie @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @KennyWhitePowers @WeissenSocken88 @idea_enjoyer Talking hot women WITH women is always so funny. Though guys are kinda bad at picking the winners on our side, too.
Both sides tend to pick what they wish they were, rather than what they other side wants. Different things. But man, they really hammered in that brain spike - women still think beyonce was a top 10 woman for the ages
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PunishedD
@WashedOutGundamPilot @robbie @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @KennyWhitePowers @WeissenSocken88 @idea_enjoyer I think it was because Beyonce was the idealized form of 3rd wave feminism “owning your sexuality”. It wasn’t just that she was pretty, but that she was confident. She wore sexy outfits to look good, not to whore out, since she ALSO was married and had kids. Her songs were aimed at and bought by women, so her money and success couldn’t be attributed to men throwing money at an object of lust, but to her own talents.
This combination is the self-fulfillment, self-validating dream for women. And like you said, they project and think men must find the same things attractive that they do.
If feminism was honest about its intentions, it would have held up Beyonce as the perfect realization of what women should strive for. But feminism doesn’t want women to marry, reproduce, and be happy. It wants women to strive for power, wreck society, slave away for a corporate master, spend all their money seeking fulfillment in exotic vacations, and die childless.
She’s too popular and influential for TPTB to tear down, but she’s safely reduced to a sanitized, publicly acceptable token to bring out whenever they need a Super Bowl halftime show or another commercialized girl power anthem.
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@PunishedD @robbie @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @KennyWhitePowers @WeissenSocken88 @idea_enjoyer You’re a lot more idealistic about her than Kevin Samuels. He always saw her as a cynical power grab for the black economy, where she designed her material as a kind of salve for all the fat nig women to cheer for. Her job was to make it cool and optimal to be a chunky professional woman with no kids and no life. The black women just went CRAZY with the message. Sure, lots of them are worthless, but there’s a pretty big run of them now.
It was interesting seeing him talk about that demographic, because his callers really, REALLY showed that they’d internalized it in a way that our women didn’t. Black women’s test levels make them far less fragile and self-doubting than our career women. THey don’t even question being a hedonistic dead-end. If you point it out….they’ll challenge you to a first fight.
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Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@idea_enjoyer @PunishedD @robbie @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @KennyWhitePowers @WeissenSocken88 I at least give them credit for acknowledging and trying against some dudes. Funny to see them refuse to roll with the “greatest player in the world” narrative
PunishedD
@WashedOutGundamPilot @robbie @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @KennyWhitePowers @WeissenSocken88 @idea_enjoyer This seems like you’re talking about a specific interview or podcast. Got a link? That sounds interesting.
As for what she’s “designed” to be, my default stance is never to attribute to globohomo grand designs and careful planning, what could easily be ascribed to opportunism. There’s a ton of players out there looking to manipulate the culture and society, they can’t all be coordinating and cleverly putting out products. But they CAN latch on to something that works and nudge it in their direction.
Beyonce came up with a whole batch of other pop-friendly black female singers, who I vaguely remember and can’t be bothered to look up. I think once she proved she had more appeal and staying power, TPTB let her keep going but nudged her to stay in her girl power lane instead of trying to explicitly branch out into the culture war. Feminism gets their anthems, the studios get their money, the race agitators get an icon, etc. None of them had to ask her to leech off her image, they just send a message now and then praising her when she’s useful to their cause, or ignore her when she isn’t.
Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
@PunishedD @robbie @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @KennyWhitePowers @WeissenSocken88 @idea_enjoyer It was a running theme, I know there’s a question he would always pose where he asked black women to tell him about their role models, he would always call them on their selection of sterilized girl bosses. He would point to older poster girls of black women like Donna Summer (?, been a while) and talk about how they were healthy role models to chase after.
I know one of the clipped ones was a round table with a bunch of upscale boss bitches, at least.
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