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1. anemone (animeirl@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 19-May-2023 06:27:17 JST anemone

   • maxmoon 🌱
   @utopify_org do you drive?
   • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Friday, 19-May-2023 06:27:16 JST スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:

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     @animeirl @utopify_org you will sit in the leather seat
     you will shift the leather trimmed gear shifter
     you will turn the leather trimmed steering wheel
     and you will be happy
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   • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Friday, 19-May-2023 06:28:06 JST スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:

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     @deprecated_ii @animeirl @utopify_org i have no cows in my living room, it's a regular fabric couch
   • Peter (1967gto@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-May-2023 06:28:06 JST Peter

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     @skylar @deprecated_ii @animeirl @utopify_org >it's a regular fabric couch
     mfw Skylar doesn't know under which brand name corporate marketed his fabric.
     
     My car's seats are... lol... covered in Naugahyde!
     (folks at Uniroyal must've done a lot of drugs)
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   • d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 19-May-2023 06:28:07 JST d

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     @skylar @animeirl @utopify_org I have at least six cows worth of leather in my living room furniture
     
     it's really nice
   • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 19:14:56 JST スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:

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     @utopify_org @animeirl i would prefer a couch made from animals and plants to a couch made from petrochemicals
     
     anyway, you have a midwit's understanding of what is sustainable. while there are many problems with modern industrial scale animal agriculture, livestock are a necessary part of maintaining soil health and modern industrial scale crop farming is far more destructive. you can't rely on the haber-bosch process forever. sooner or later, you run out of natural gas and need to till some manure into the soil.
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   • maxmoon 🌱 (utopify_org@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 19:14:57 JST maxmoon 🌱

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     @skylar @animeirl So you think all vegans replace everything with plastic, but you are better, because you are an exception with a couch made out of fabric?

     You know that vegans have access to the same resources and know even more materials, which are sustainable, because vegans are in general mindful?

     And I didn't understand the part with the leather in the car? Do you want to say it's better to live a destructive live, because you can only live 99.9% vegan?

     Machismo repeated this.
   • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 19:14:58 JST スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:

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     @1967GTO @deprecated_ii @animeirl @utopify_org well it's a couch! what kind it is doesn't really matter, they all work the same. what matters is that it's comfy.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 19:20:03 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @skylar @animeirl @utopify_org or be lazy and have pigs do the work :brain9: https://morningchores.com/tilling-garden-with-pigs/
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 05:23:10 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @utopify_org @animeirl god forbid you let nature tend to herself 🙄
     
     have fun eating petroleum and watching the farm land waste away to bedrock from mechanized production.
     
     Actually I'm willing to bet something you don't see farm land much so you probably won't notice.
   • maxmoon 🌱 (utopify_org@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 05:23:11 JST maxmoon 🌱

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     @thatguyoverthere @animeirl @skylar@wolfgirl.bar I don't exploit animals.

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 18:40:32 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @utopify_org @animeirl oh sorry didn't realized you tilled a patch of grass. I did browse your website a little bit. I don't believe in man made utopias, although I do believe man is creating a very big dystopia.
     
     Just realize every time you run through the soil 20% of the biomatter is ejected into the air. Pigs are far less wasteful and damaging when they root. Not to mention rooting is a natural habit for the pig that makes them truly happy.
     
     Chickens speed up breakdown of compost too doing what is natural to them. Using animals to do work by leveraging their natural behaviors is different from harnessing draft horses to a plow. It's literally working with nature instead of against it, but go on and have fun fucking up your space.
     
     People who take the names of people on fedi seriously should maybe use less internet.
     
     > I really don't get you people? Why spreading shit?
     
     Are you referring to shitposters or advocates of animal manure as fertilizer? It wasn't quite clear.
   • maxmoon 🌱 (utopify_org@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 18:40:33 JST maxmoon 🌱

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     @thatguyoverthere @animeirl Maybe you should check someone profile, before spreading bullshit on the Internet.

     But your name already contains "Disinformation" and you are from a shitposter instance.

     I really don't get you people? Why spreading shit?

   • anemone (animeirl@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 18:47:09 JST anemone

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     @utopify_org So then you don't live a sustainable lifestyle.
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   • maxmoon 🌱 (utopify_org@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 18:47:10 JST maxmoon 🌱

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     @animeirl Drive a car? Yes.

   • bot :kiwi_dumbbell: (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 18:48:05 JST bot :kiwi_dumbbell:

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     Good point tbh, plus he’s wasting all of this energy posting on the internet which is WASTEFUL!!!
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   • bot :kiwi_dumbbell: (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 18:48:06 JST bot :kiwi_dumbbell:

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     Literally who gives af? You using computers and having shranny tanks is wasteful and not sustainable.
   • anemone (animeirl@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 18:48:06 JST anemone

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     @bot @utopify_org he cares apparently since he brought it up
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 19:04:07 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @utopify_org @animeirl lmfao biggest co2 footprint. How many trees have you planted in your life?
   • maxmoon 🌱 (utopify_org@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 19:04:08 JST maxmoon 🌱

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     @thatguyoverthere @animeirl It's always the one with the biggest co2 footprint who point on others.

     I don't think I will take any "advice" from a meat eating shit poster who is polluting the planet all day.

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 19:31:27 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @utopify_org @animeirl > donates money to plant trees
     
     Oh yeah that's the same thing lmao. Charities are always making sure the money is spent appropriately :smirk:
     
     As far as the resources in beef, the beef I eat is pasture raised on a farm about 20 minutes from here. Their inputs are also local. They don't eat grains because grass is free, and grass fed beef is healthier to eat anyway. I eat the seeds from some of the grasses they eat but no I'm not interested in eating grass. Yes they take up space, but so do you and your value to the planet isn't obvious.
   • maxmoon 🌱 (utopify_org@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 19:31:28 JST maxmoon 🌱

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     @thatguyoverthere @animeirl Uncountable! I even donate money to plant trees.

     How much meat did you eat in your life?

     1kg of beef needs:
     - 15000 liters of water
     - Grains: up to 10kg
     - agricultural area: up to 50m²
     - 22kg of CO2 emissions

     Tell me more about your "sustainable" life style.

     And if I tell people like you that the food of the animal could be eating by humans, the answer is always: "I don't eat grass! It's not natural to eat grass"... *building up their stories on allegations*

   • Santa Noodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 19:46:16 JST Santa Noodle ☦️

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     @utopify_org @thatguyoverthere @animeirl Water usage claims on beef are the biggest lie and simplest to dispute. There's published papers from the 90s that completely contradict them as well as testimony from various ranchers in arid areas. They're off by orders of magnitude and nobody calls them out. The water cycle exists, but we have to pretend otherwise. As if rain hitting a pasture somehow means that California's almonds won't survive. Boo hoo.
     
     
     
     pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8478283/#fft
     >Estimation of the water requirement for beef production in the United States
     J L Beckett et al. J Anim Sci. 1993 Apr.
     
     >The model estimates 3,682 L of developed water per kilogram of boneless meat for beef cattle production in the United States.
     
     Compared that to the following:
     
     sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0308521X18305675
     
     >Environmental footprints of beef cattle production in the United States C. Alan Rotz, Greg Thoma
     
     Referenced in infographic.
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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 19:47:46 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @BowsacNoodle @animeirl @utopify_org yeah one thing about seed diets is that you need to drink more water. Same with rabbits. If you feed pellet they go through water like it's going out of style, but feed them some weeds and grass from the yard and they drink half or less.
   • Santa Noodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 19:56:52 JST Santa Noodle ☦️

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     @thatguyoverthere @animeirl @utopify_org I don't even have a problem with vegans or vegetarians who do it for ethical reasons. I think factory farming is horrible, but a ton of plant and animal diversity exists solely because of animal husbandry and land management practices. We are by nature omnivores, and we don't have the digestive tract to be herbivores. We can't process cellulose-b like an herbivore. We can't produce herbivore specific amino acids. The lies some of these people tell in their crusade are very foolish.
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