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mkultra (mkultra@wolfgirl.bar)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:04:54 JST 
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スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:04:48 JST 
スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:
@mkultra @Boomerman @Insomnolant do you not remember what happened when their instance got taken down and they all went to poast?
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mkultra (mkultra@wolfgirl.bar)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:04:49 JST
mkultra
@skylar @Boomerman @Insomnolant
OK, don't criticize trannies or some shit?
I'm at a loss for any right winger they've done more damage to than other RWers and antifa.
Fuentes? Everyone in the fuck fuentes camp ought to be sucking Josh's dick for letting nick's thread drive him nuts enough to get on stream with jim.
Literally who else?🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 repeated this. -
スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:04:50 JST
スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:
@mkultra @Boomerman @Insomnolant don't forget causing it
they're being targeted for going after the system's sacred cows, and would never be accused of a single terms of service violation for doxing nazis, coordinating harassment campaigns against anyone running a site that allows anyone more right wing than milquetoast c*nservatives. -
Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:04:51 JST 
Boomerman
@Insomnolant @mkultra Hmm while i agree with the statement in principle its hard to jump on board with josh and kiwifarms. If some sort of alt tech union does happen kiwifarms shouldnt be a part of it in my opinion. For every finger they point there are another 10 that can point back at them. -
mkultra (mkultra@wolfgirl.bar)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:04:51 JST
mkultra
@Boomerman @Insomnolant
People hold Josh responsible for what his community does and he has no control over.
However, the Farms on is on both the cutting edge of receiving anarcho tyranny and getting around it.
Josh, whether you like it or not, has a greater breadth of experience and knowledge than anyone else on the subject. Unless you want to reinvent the wheel, you're stuck with him. -
Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:04:52 JST
Boomerman
@mkultra ? -
Jon (insomnolant@wolfgirl.bar)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:04:52 JST 
Jon
@Boomerman @mkultra he’s using fuckin Battletech slang.
It’s short for “affirmative,” meaning “yes.”
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Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:04:53 JST
Boomerman
@mkultra Is this from today? -
mkultra (mkultra@wolfgirl.bar)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 02:04:53 JST
mkultra
@Boomerman aff -
Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 03:29:52 JST 
Himbo Techbro
@skylar @mkultra "First they came for the Farms, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a kiwi"
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スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 03:29:53 JST
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@mkultra boo hoo nigger, kiwis get what they deserve
their idea of "alt tech unity" is trying to dox mods and prominent community members, then setting up a smear campaign against them to call them pedophiles
not only do they deserve to be deplatformed, they deserve to be railroaded with federal hate crime charges -
Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 03:30:18 JST
Himbo Techbro
@grey @mkultra @skylar I'm the exact sort of person the Farms targets. I have an unflattering ED page.
Not only do I feel that both have an absolute right to exist, but I also feel that they are the canary in the coal mine for civil liberties across the board.
Besides, show me one class of crime has been committed by Kiwifarms users that has not been committed by Twitter users.
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》g r e y《:uv:☦️ (grey@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 03:30:19 JST 
》g r e y《:uv:☦️
@r000t @skylar @mkultra "First, the Farms came for us. Then they came for the Farms." -
》g r e y《:uv:☦️ (grey@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 03:30:44 JST
》g r e y《:uv:☦️
@r000t @mkultra @skylar There's a difference between "having a right to exist", which is just a motte since that's not what anyone is talking about, and having a strong enough relationship to go to the mat for another site. KF has burnt those bridges, so while people might agree in theory that "they have a right to exist", no one is going to stick their necks out for them, and they only have themselves to blame for being in that situation. -
RyokoPilled (ryokopilled@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 03:30:44 JST 
RyokoPilled
@grey @r000t @mkultra @skylar really short sighted. what do you think happens when KF is gone? the trannies targeting it will be satisfied and pack up and go home? Token likes this. -
:archlinux: :nyarch: :verified: (lewdthewides@hidamari.apartments)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 03:31:27 JST 
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@RyokoPilled @r000t @grey @mkultra @skylar all of them. I don't like sites that annoy me :gigachad: -
RyokoPilled (ryokopilled@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 03:31:27 JST
RyokoPilled
@lewdthewides @grey @mkultra @r000t @skylar hope the tranny goes after your instance next -
RyokoPilled (ryokopilled@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 03:31:28 JST
RyokoPilled
@grey @r000t @mkultra @skylar so how many websites do you have a grudge against are you okay with getting deleted from the internet by a tranny before it becomes your problem too -
》g r e y《:uv:☦️ (grey@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 03:31:29 JST
》g r e y《:uv:☦️
@RyokoPilled @r000t @mkultra @skylar Last time we trusted them, they hosted dox for our staff and their users harassed our admin into quitting. Why would anyone help them when they can be confident it will end with a knife in the back? -
RyokoPilled (ryokopilled@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 03:32:04 JST
RyokoPilled
@PonyPanda @grey @mkultra @r000t @skylar not what i asked, how many websites you have a grudge against do you feel comfortable allowing a tranny to remove from the internet before it becomes your problem? how emboldened does he have to become and how successful do his methods have to be before it's worthy of your care or notice? Token likes this. -
PonyPanda (ponypanda@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 03:32:05 JST 
PonyPanda
@RyokoPilled @grey @mkultra @r000t @skylar Anglin. Dailystormer. There are better causes to champion. -
Branman65🍟 (branman65@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 03:32:08 JST 
Branman65🍟
@RyokoPilled @lewdthewides @r000t @grey @mkultra @skylar Burn in hell you gossiping spiritual woman -
PonyPanda (ponypanda@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 05:35:17 JST
PonyPanda
@doctorsex @Godcast @mkultra @Boomerman @Insomnolant I'm not sure they are *necessary* Their line is always "You can't stop the signal. People will just be talking/doxing elsewhere."
For all the lipservice this cocksucker gives to de-centralization. He sure loves having the monopoly on dramaniggery where he's the head janny. -
Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq. (doctorsex@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 05:35:18 JST 
Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq.
Not even that. At the absolute worst, Josh and what he's created present a "nevessary evil". -
Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq. (doctorsex@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 05:35:18 JST
Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq.
Like you don't even have to like him or respect him or thr farms or anything, but if you can't fathom why they are *necessary* you are a short sighted retard no less motivated by spite and pettiness than the "dramaniggers" you claim to hate -
Godcast (hates Christmas music half) (godcast@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 05:35:19 JST 
Godcast (hates Christmas music half)
@mkultra @Boomerman @Insomnolant You don't have to like him, but if you like internet freedom, I think you do have to appreciate and respect him. -
Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq. (doctorsex@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 05:35:40 JST
Dr. Sex, Ph.d, Esq.
You're right, "necessary" probably wasn't the right word for it. Inevetable is probably more accurate. -
🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 05:45:01 JST 
🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
Apparently Josh is refusing to sue according to TG messages, namely because some people involved (harassment targets IIRC) don't want it and he'd need $75k to sue anyway. -
PonyPanda (ponypanda@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 05:45:02 JST
PonyPanda
@Salastil @r000t @grey @mkultra @skylar I'll wait until see the case against the tranny. -
Salastil (salastil@pleroma.salastil.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 05:45:03 JST 
Salastil
Its not limited to just calling people, the guy is consistently paying for, or DDOSing the site himself. It seems that this clown is doing a lot of the harassment stuff to vendors via phone and email so discovery would give a pretty good paper trail of his activities. If KF had the money, they have a pretty reasonable lawsuit, far more than any of the ones thrown against KF itself for sure. -
Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 05:45:04 JST
Himbo Techbro
@grey @mkultra @skylar If somebody has committed a crime, such as Joshua Moon, then they should be charged and given a fair and speedy trial before a jury of their peers.
If that's not doable, he and his users have the same 1A rights the rest of us do.
When we decide that people don't deserve the right to speak because they've burned too many bridges, or anything else that subjective, it's all over. If you randomly select 1,000 people and ask them where the line is, you'll get 1,000 different answers. And you only need so many to push the window a little bit more.
Being callous about this and reveling in it is whistling past the graveyard. I would sound this alarm just as hard if Hachyderm or Oliphant got this sort of treatment.
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PonyPanda (ponypanda@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 05:45:04 JST
PonyPanda
@r000t @grey @mkultra @skylar what are we talking about here? Josh isn't going to court as a defendant. People are talking about him suing Liz Fong Jones and I don't know what fucking case he even has to make. Tranny calls up Josh's friends and says "Josh is a bad person." How is that different than what KF is? How is Liz Fong Jones not also exercising "muh freeze peach?"
Josh wants to engage in litigation he can go ahead. I don't know what makes this some sort of existential battle for the soul of the free internet. -
Token (coin@asimon.org)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 06:02:57 JST 
Token
@PonyPanda @PhenomX6 @r000t @Salastil @grey @mkultra @skylar If they didn't like him, they wouldn't have helped him in the first place, dummy. -
PonyPanda (ponypanda@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 06:02:58 JST
PonyPanda
@PhenomX6 @r000t @Salastil @grey @mkultra @skylar lmao. The people involved don't want to go for this. Could it be that his "friends" helping him with the site don't actually like him? -
Token (coin@asimon.org)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 06:13:09 JST
Token
@PonyPanda @PhenomX6 @r000t @Salastil @grey @mkultra @skylar Why does everything have to be this or the other. People can be acquaintances without being a friend or foe. Simply business partners. You don't have to like the man. -
PonyPanda (ponypanda@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 06:13:10 JST
PonyPanda
@coin @PhenomX6 @r000t @Salastil @grey @mkultra @skylar Josh has a habit of turning friends into enemies.
I was never his friend but I used to like him once. -
🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 06:34:23 JST
🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
IMO it's more "it's not the hill they'll die on". -
Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 06:39:10 JST
Himbo Techbro
@PonyPanda
>"Josh is a bad person."If you genuinely think that these emails start and end at "I don't like him, I think he's bad news, maybe look into this, take care, love Liz", I simply cannot help you. I'm not a licensed special ed teacher.
I've done abuse for MSPs. We throw those emails out. Whatever is getting people to reliably drop someone is probably gonna be extremely libelous, if it's not true.
The other problem is tortious interference and also just straight up harassment. There are instances on fedi that say some pretty extreme shit about me that's very very incorrect and very very inflammatory. And I'm willing to bet that if I harassed the families of employees of tech vendors that they used, at some one point, the police would show up and ask me to stop.
>How is that different than what KF is?
Kiwifarms is a forum. It's a place you can post messages to, and then somebody else can come look at what messages were posted, and hell, maybe even reply to a few. You must go to it, seek it out, ya know... tell your User Agent to fetch the resource on your behalf on the World Wide Web.
On this forum, both sitewide rules *and* cultural pressure deeply discourage involving one's self with the people and topics being discussed. Don't Poke the Glass is a cardinal rule. People calling for such are very quickly ridiculed and outright removed in extreme cases.
Compare and contrast this with actively reaching out and contacting everyone you can find, within x degrees of separation, of literally anybody who may even remotely be in a position to help you exact revenge on someone by taking down their meanie poo poo forum posts about you. Now throw in the threats being insinuated and you have some misdemeanor harassment charges in most US states.
It's the difference between having a bulletin board where you discuss how much of an asshole Bob is, and going to Bob's boss and Bob's landlord and Bob's mailman and the families of all of these people and repeatedly bothering them about Bob and telling them that they're literally murderers if they don't take action against Bob on your behalf.
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PonyPanda (ponypanda@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 06:41:33 JST
PonyPanda
@PhenomX6 @coin @r000t @Salastil @grey @mkultra @skylar we don't even know who these people are. All we have to go off is Josh's claim that he had some solid people behind him. And Josh's claims aren't worth much. 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 likes this. -
PonyPanda (ponypanda@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 06:43:27 JST
PonyPanda
@r000t @grey @mkultra @skylar fine. Show me what Eliot/Liz is doing. Josh's fag essay didn't really enlighten me. -
Token (coin@asimon.org)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 06:43:27 JST
Token
@PonyPanda @r000t @grey @mkultra @skylar We can't know for sure right now what exactly LFJ is doing without taking him to court and going through discovery. We can only make assumptions on the results.
Right now we know that the thread on LFJ has sources to posts LFJ himself has made making him out to be a rapist (at worst) or a very socially retarded person (at best).
We can guess that he is behind the DDoSing attacks but that's definitely not a 100% him. We can only take Josh's word from his business colleagues.
I see no reason to not believe Josh as he is, while you agree with me or not, very truthful. -
PonyPanda (ponypanda@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 06:54:08 JST
PonyPanda
@coin @r000t @grey @mkultra @skylar I can't see this thread and I can't see what the sources are. All manner of bullshit makes it on KiwiFarms. You're really reaching if you expect me to give Josh the benefit of the doubt here. -
Token (coin@asimon.org)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 06:54:08 JST
Token
@PonyPanda @r000t @grey @mkultra @skylar Well, right now the forum is down, so none of us can see it right now. You'll have to wait for the site to come back and check LFJ's thread. -
Token (coin@asimon.org)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 06:59:09 JST
Token
@PonyPanda Off-topic but why do you double space after a period. I was curious about that.
Also stop posting naked niggers constantly please. -
PonyPanda (ponypanda@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 06:59:11 JST
PonyPanda
@coin @r000t @grey @mkultra @skylar supposedly, Punished D has something to show me. But he can't yet. -
Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 07:25:55 JST
Himbo Techbro
@coin
It's a bit hard for us to produce receipts on bad actors when the bad actors keep taking down the bin of receipts we keep on bad actors.
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PonyPanda (ponypanda@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 07:33:40 JST
PonyPanda
@r000t @coin @grey @mkultra @skylar given all the things Josh is accusing this person of and how much of a threat they seem to be, you'd think somebody would have kept the receipts somewhere that wasn't KF. As I said elsewhere, Keffals had a special page for them ready to go. -
Token (coin@asimon.org)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 07:33:40 JST
Token
@PonyPanda @r000t @grey @mkultra @skylar There's the thread OP on archive if you want to take a look https://archive.is/5XAFm -
Token (coin@asimon.org)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 07:39:45 JST
Token
@r000t @PonyPanda He said he would do it when the site goes down permanently. -
Himbo Techbro (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 07:39:46 JST
Himbo Techbro
@PonyPanda
Josh is not handling certain aspects of this nearly the way I would be handling it. For one, he hasn't simply made a torrent release of public KF content. Whether this is for strategic reasons is unclear.
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