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pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 12-Mar-2023 01:51:40 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
@corfiot @meso @thelioma @PhenomX6 @Zerglingman @revvy @NEETzsche @coolboymew

> Is there any way to figure out the numbers?

Yes.

https://fba.ryona.agency/scoreboard?blocked=50 Poast has apparently taken the #1 slot away from FSE, but there are 955 instances that block Poast.

http://demo.fedilist.com/ "Active instances: 22,687 (8,649 with open registrations)."

955/22687 = 0.042.

So the most-blocked server is only blocked by 4.2% of the servers on the network. This means that, at most, only 4.2% of the admins on fedi use #fediblock, and 95.8% of them ignore #fediblock. Since FSE is the final boss of the #fediblock list, it's safer to say that at least 96.2% of the admins on fedi ignore the list. You could probably do something more thorough, say that you produce a count of instances that block at least half of the instances on the list, and this would get you a more accurate number, but I think it would still be pretty small, maybe two, three dozen.

> Because it could indeed be possible - they've lost a lot of people since the last exodus from twitter

They were never the majority on the network. I have constantly heard, since close to the beginning of FSE, "Everyone is gonna block you!" and it's mostly neurotics (who filter so heavily that they have a distorted view of what represents a majority view; "How could Nixon have won? Nobody I know voted for him.") and people playing the social-pressure game (which gives them an incentive to claim a majority), and that's a long way from "everyone".

There's also that paper about blocking that got passed around a while back. They did some analysis; I disagree with a lot of their proposals, but it's a more thorough treatment than anyone's given #fediblock until now:
decentralized_web_moderation.pdf
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- (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Sunday, 12-Mar-2023 01:51:46 JST
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  @p @meso @thelioma @PhenomX6 @Zerglingman @revvy @NEETzsche @corfiot @coolboymew >So the most-blocked server is only blocked by 4.2% of the servers on the network.
  Deceptive numbers. There's a bunch of instances with user count in millions and thousands of them with one user and less than 10 posts. Using that (or better yet, monthly active users) for metrics instead of separate domains would work better. FBA's crawler gets only what it could see, so that also doesn't account for instances that hide their blocklists, but accounts for mirrors (e.g. shitposter.club and soap.shitposter.club) which skew the stats a bit as well.
  
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- pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 12-Mar-2023 02:09:25 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
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  @mint @NEETzsche @PhenomX6 @Zerglingman @coolboymew @corfiot @meso @revvy @thelioma
  
  > There's a bunch of instances with user count in millions and thousands of them with one user and less than 10 posts.
  
  There's a critical difference here: if you are measuring how much of the network you can interact with, then you could weigh by user count. If you are measuring how many people enact #fediblock policies, then you use the number of admins (or admin teams in the case of larger instances) that use #fediblock's list. I think most of the people on mastodon.social don't know or care about #fediblock, but the admins watch it. So if you want to know how many people actually care about it, counting servers is the best way to do that.
  
  > so that also doesn't account for instances that hide their blocklists
  
  A percentage of the blocklists that are hidden would be interesting, then you could extrapolate. But like I pointed out before, there's mastodon.technology (23,946 accounts, but they were all deleted by the time the instance died, so the final reported count was "0"), which still figures into the numbers on that board, but which has been dead since December.
  
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- pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 12-Mar-2023 23:07:14 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
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  @corfiot @meso @thelioma @PhenomX6 @Zerglingman @revvy @NEETzsche @mint @coolboymew
  
  > I believe the pertinent number is "people affected by fediblock",
  
  Well, if it were, then the first step would be going where they can hear and then telling them about what's going on.
  
  > there is an extra parameter: alt accounts
  
  Alts, bots, etc.
  
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- Corfiot (corfiot@pleroma.elementality.org)'s status on Sunday, 12-Mar-2023 23:07:15 JST Corfiot
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  > I think most of the people on mastodon.social don't know or care about #fediblock
  
  I believe the pertinent number is "people affected by fediblock", typically as you say via their admins, even without their knowledge. I must also add there is an extra parameter: alt accounts, tho not sure that a significant number of users actually have alts.
  
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- pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 12-Mar-2023 23:07:26 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
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  @meso @mint @NEETzsche @PhenomX6 @Zerglingman @coolboymew @corfiot @revvy @thelioma
  
  > blocked by like 40-60% of the fediverse
  
  4.2% of the admin teams. Of that 40-60%, most of them don't even know about #fediblock. I left mastodon.social because I found out that they were blocking other servers: I wasn't "blocking" gs.smuglo.li, they had been blocked on my behalf. When they were still alive, they were one of the best instances, I wouldn't have blocked them, but Gargoron blocked them and I never saw them.
  
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- meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 12-Mar-2023 23:07:27 JST meso
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  @mint @thelioma @PhenomX6 @Zerglingman @p @revvy @NEETzsche @corfiot @coolboymew i'd say the most blocked instance is probably blocked by like 40-60% of the fediverse
  
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- pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 12-Mar-2023 23:07:50 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
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  @corfiot @meso @thelioma @PhenomX6 @Zerglingman @revvy @NEETzsche @mint @coolboymew
  
  > As for the mastodon - fediblock correlation, it feels like most big mastodon servers are using fediblock but I can't really say if that's true.
  
  The ability to block instances was created by Eugen Rochko as a response to him getting trolled by gs.smuglo.li. Someone made a compilation of screenshots but I can't seem to find it.
  
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- Corfiot (corfiot@pleroma.elementality.org)'s status on Sunday, 12-Mar-2023 23:07:51 JST Corfiot
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  This whole discussion is very interesting. It indicates fediblock drama is mostly that, drama. But we need to consider the number of users as you said of that 4.2%, and then active or just existing, and the shadow bans, etc. I will be more careful not to attribute fediblock too much importance from now on.
  
  As for the mastodon - fediblock correlation, it feels like most big mastodon servers are using fediblock but I can't really say if that's true. I am still against it on principle, of course.
  
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- 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Sunday, 12-Mar-2023 23:52:40 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
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  @corfiot @meso @thelioma @Zerglingman @p @revvy @NEETzsche @mint @coolboymew fediblock style shit harms adoption because the npcs and those who failed to integrate with either side will say "well mastodon is full of xyz I should wait for whatever jack Dorsey or my internet daddy is shilling".
  
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- 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 13-Mar-2023 00:04:43 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
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  @mint @meso @thelioma @Zerglingman @p @revvy @NEETzsche @corfiot @coolboymew a lot of shitty instances hide their blocklists so the actual numbers are higher.
  
  I know mine is blocked by a lot who hide it. Which is exactly the goal with the instance I'm going to start when I quit this job in a month and have more time to study and for projects. I want to cause chaos in the mastodon furry scene by having them really block other instances and even though you might think it'll harm adoption, furries are reluctant to leave the plantation with "what instance should I join" before preferring Twitters dox culture anyhow. I want them to be around people they don't like as they mald, kinda like what happened with An Inconvenient Anime but online.
  https://youtu.be/tynKRMVGsAI
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- bot :kiwi_dumbbell: (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 13-Mar-2023 00:06:51 JST bot :kiwi_dumbbell:
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  Fedi is dead and was fringe anyway, nostr is the future.
  
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- 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 13-Mar-2023 00:06:51 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
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  @bot @meso @thelioma @Zerglingman @p @revvy @NEETzsche @corfiot @mint @coolboymew nobody even knows what Nostr is
  
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- 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Monday, 13-Mar-2023 00:14:05 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
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  @bot @meso @thelioma @Zerglingman @p @revvy @NEETzsche @corfiot @mint @coolboymew my dad knows what mastodon is
  
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- bot :kiwi_dumbbell: (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 13-Mar-2023 00:14:06 JST bot :kiwi_dumbbell:
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  Nobody even knows what fedi is. There’s probably more interaction there btw, even being a crypto detractor.
  
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- bot :kiwi_dumbbell: (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 13-Mar-2023 00:43:04 JST bot :kiwi_dumbbell:
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  Most mastodon users probably don’t even know we exist, this tranny janny instance admin setup is just flawed. Also, Jack and Snowden being on nostr has weight, whether that’s a good thing or not.
  
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- meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Monday, 13-Mar-2023 00:43:31 JST meso
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  @bot @thelioma @PhenomX6 @Zerglingman @p @revvy @NEETzsche @corfiot @mint @coolboymew Snowden declined. dont know what went wrong with him
  
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- 恵真 :ablobcat_test3: (emma@niscii.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 04:38:51 JST 恵真 :ablobcat_test3:
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  @p@freespeechextremist.com @corfiot@pleroma.elementality.org @meso@asbestos.cafe @thelioma@asbestos.cafe @PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com @Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com @revvy@freespeechextremist.com @NEETzsche@iddqd.social @mint@ryona.agency @coolboymew@shitposter.club didn't know this fedi lore
  
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- cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 04:39:23 JST cool_boy_mew
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  @emma @NEETzsche @Zerglingman @p @corfiot @PhenomX6 @mint @meso @revvy @thelioma a lot of the things on the fedi is @sjw 's fault loool
  
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- pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 04:50:14 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
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  @emma @coolboymew @NEETzsche @Zerglingman @corfiot @PhenomX6 @mint @meso @revvy @thelioma Oh, yeah, I wish I had the compilation screenshots. Someone has them, maybe nep.
  
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- pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 04:51:24 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
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  @coolboymew @emma @NEETzsche @PhenomX6 @Zerglingman @corfiot @meso @mint @revvy @sjw @thelioma That was feminism.lgbt; nep ran smuglo.li. I thought you were around for that.
  
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- cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 04:51:51 JST cool_boy_mew
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  @p @meso @thelioma @sjw @PhenomX6 @Zerglingman @revvy @NEETzsche @emma @corfiot @mint I was but it's been so long
  
  He probably was responsible for the first hellthreads
  
  He made 100mb emojis
  
  Abused other exploits
  
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- cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 04:52:29 JST cool_boy_mew
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  @p @NEETzsche @PhenomX6 @Zerglingman @corfiot @emma @meso @mint @revvy @sjw @thelioma right, I also remember emojis that would tag thousands of users
  
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- meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 04:53:49 JST meso
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  @coolboymew @thelioma @sjw @PhenomX6 @Zerglingman @p @revvy @NEETzsche @emma @corfiot @mint >100mb emojis
  :big_trans:
  
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- cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 04:54:54 JST cool_boy_mew
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  @p @meso @thelioma @sjw @PhenomX6 @Zerglingman @revvy @NEETzsche @emma @corfiot @mint I don't remember but SJW was responsible for a lot of that stuff
  
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- pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 04:54:55 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
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  @coolboymew @NEETzsche @PhenomX6 @Zerglingman @corfiot @emma @meso @mint @revvy @sjw @thelioma Wasn't that dirb or tk?
  
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- pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 04:55:08 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:
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  @coolboymew @NEETzsche @PhenomX6 @Zerglingman @corfiot @emma @meso @mint @revvy @sjw @thelioma
  
  > He probably was responsible for the first hellthreads
  
  I don't think that is accurate.
  
  > He made 100mb emojis
  
  Accurate.
  
  > Abused other exploits
  
  Definitely accurate.
  
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- 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Mar-2023 04:59:14 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
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  Hellthreads happened on Twitter too. There were shitposters who would tag assloads of people in and cause rage or shitposting, and before that Skype contact dumps. I met cool people through contact dumping groups where people dumped in random people.
  
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