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1. Weaf :jv::nv: (weaf@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 12:12:40 JST Weaf :jv::nv:

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   For anyone unfamiliar with the Battle of Dien Bien Phu the concept of the French strategy was to encourage the Viet Minh to concentrate their forces and attack the isolated French garrison in a well fortified position to their advantage. Once the Viet Minh attacked, they would encounter a meat grinder and be easy pickings for superior French firepower and air support to wipe them out instead of chasing them across Indochina. What happened instead is the Viet Minh arrived with more firepower than the French garrison, isolated them from their support, and destroyed them.
   
   The exact same thing is playing out in the Donbass. The Ukrainians set up line after line of defense and fortresses like Dien Bien Phu but on a massive scale. The premise of this, I'm assuming, is they wanted the Russians to attack these pockets in concentrated spearheads to create a "meat grinder" and cripple the Russian army. What's happening instead is the Russians are spreading their forces and using much more superior firepower to isolate and annihilate these defensive positions. This is why the Ukrainians keep insisting they are grinding down the Russians by letting themselves get surrounded and overwhelmed; they are following this brain dead plan that NATO advisors gave to them and are insisting it's working when it isn't even close.
   
   RT: https://poa.st/objects/0fcd536f-3d3f-44a9-9804-4103356e3b8d
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 12:14:04 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @weaf Nato advisors are LITERALLY the best combat commanders in the world - have you SEEN how much they’re paid to consult?!?

   • Bender Molari :nv: :nofatpeople: (evil_bender@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 12:16:09 JST Bender Molari :nv: :nofatpeople:

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     We have no great decisive generals. If we did they were ran out by political appointees.
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   • Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl (karldahl@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 12:16:50 JST Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl

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     @weaf They thought it would work because American military strategists are arrogant lunatics and lessons from previous wars rarely percolate up past Captain or so. John Lind has been hollering about this stuff for decades but nothing changes
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 12:16:58 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @GaryBussy @weaf Well if NATO planners are so dumb how come the american withdrawal from afghanistan created $23 billion dollars in stock market value AND GDP?

     How much value did the russian withdrawal from afghanistan add to Soviet GDP? Hmmm?

   • GaryBussy (garybussy@chudbuds.lol)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 12:16:59 JST GaryBussy

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     airtight logic
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   • Weaf :jv::nv: (weaf@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 12:18:12 JST Weaf :jv::nv:

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     • Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl
     @KarlDahl They literally thought the Russians would mass assault with tanks and all their fancy javelins would just destroy the Russian army
   • Z superfan (sky999999@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 12:20:22 JST Z superfan

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @weaf inside the mind of a nato commander
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 12:21:13 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @sky999999 @weaf Something that always gave me a laugh was how poorly we exploited the resources, anyways. America would “invade for oil” but then not even be the primary beneficiary, it was a giant maze of puppeteers growing fat off it while the country sat there killing its sons and pretending it was righteous for NOT plundering

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   • Rowdy Ramzan 🅉 (rowdyramzan@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 12:25:07 JST Rowdy Ramzan 🅉

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     • Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl
     @weaf @KarlDahl Yeah, Russia shifted to what advantages them which is artillery and it seems like NATO hasn't adjusted to this reality yet
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   • Weaf :jv::nv: (weaf@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 12:32:05 JST Weaf :jv::nv:

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     • Rowdy Ramzan 🅉
     @RowdyRamzan @KarlDahl NATO actually did try adjusting to this back around the time when Lysychansk fell. They got the Ukrainians to shift to mobile warfare, something that worked with the Ukrainian superiority in numbers and motorized infantry in the face of Russian firepower at Kharkiv. But it failed miserably at Kherson and it's not an option anymore now that the Russians have fixed their manpower issue. This is why they're screaming for Leopards and F-16s, they can't break the lines without mobility and fire support now that their numbers are even. (Coincidentally, the French also used mobile warfare to push back the Viet Minh at DBP when it was clear the initial strategy had failed)
   • Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl (karldahl@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 12:32:15 JST Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl

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     @weaf I never really understood this until my recent in depth research, but nobody really came away from the Spanish Civil War with conclusive ideas about armored strategies, and all of the more intelligent strategists cautioned against jumping to conclusions. The Germans refined the Blitzkrieg strategy at home because they ended up doing more conventional WWI style infantry support in Spain, which they figured out wasn't a good use of tanks and wasn't particularly effective
     
     The US armor methodology of WWII was the same bad stuff, but we simply overwhelmed the Germans with numbers and infrastructure attacks with bombers in the same way that the Soviets did. I don't see evidence that our military ever understood how the Soviets actually fought, and there was always an assumption during the cold war that our tech was just so much better to where it would overwhelm tactics, but there is no real evidence of that. Sure, it's way more expensive...
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   • Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 12:33:48 JST Boomerman

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     @weaf @RowdyRamzan @KarlDahl F16s would get ganked. I wonder how fox would cover that if all of em got blown up.
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   • Weaf :jv::nv: (weaf@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 12:34:10 JST Weaf :jv::nv:

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     @Boomerman @RowdyRamzan @KarlDahl They wouldn't, they would just dismiss them as outdated
   • Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 12:35:09 JST Boomerman

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     @weaf @RowdyRamzan @KarlDahl Theyre newer than everything else.
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   • Quentel (quentel@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 12:40:44 JST Quentel

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     • Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl
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     Boomerman is correct. The current situation is not the result of simple mistakes; it's intentional.
   • Weaf :jv::nv: (weaf@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 12:40:44 JST Weaf :jv::nv:

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     @Quentel @Boomerman @KarlDahl @RowdyRamzan I disagree with the intent. I believe NATO wanted catastrophic loses for Russia that would discredit Putin and lead to the breakup of the Russian Federation. It's the same playbook the State Department has been running in Iran with Balochistan and China with Hong Kong/Taiwan.
   • Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 12:40:45 JST Boomerman

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     @RowdyRamzan @weaf @KarlDahl The goal was always getting the ukes smashed. Just remember we can see everything the russians do on satellite. They wanted all these dead ukes
   • Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 12:40:54 JST Boomerman

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     @Quentel @KarlDahl @RowdyRamzan @weaf >muh 100k dead civilians qt bahkmut
     >no we totally werent snatching them off the street
     >garland showing up for muh warcrimes
     Theyre need some truth to the narratives to make the goyslop
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   • Eoka Pistol (mutsu_a125@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 12:54:14 JST Eoka Pistol

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     @weaf @Quentel @Boomerman @KarlDahl @RowdyRamzan I remember one guy pointing out with Russia that as much as they fucked up early on, they were actually very prepared in a different area, economically. So the sanctions and economic warfare they expected would destroy the Russian economy barely had any impact (least compared to the damage done to Europe)
     
     By contrast had similar sanctions been inflicted in 2014 during the first conflict they may well have imploded Russia but some people in the Kremlin realized the need to diversify/eliminate their imports from Europe/West
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   • Z superfan (sky999999@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 14:36:29 JST Z superfan

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     @PunishedD @WashedOutGundamPilot @weaf the way she says they're playing chess and checkers proves she was a diversity hire
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   • PunishedD (punishedd@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 14:36:30 JST PunishedD

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     @sky999999 @WashedOutGundamPilot @weaf Russia is in the region of... its own physical border... to undermine the United States. Right.
     
     I was going to make a snide remark about the only kind of "action" this "leader" has ever seen. But beyond that, this analysis would be embarrassing for even a freshman poli sci paper.
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   • Gerfand (gerfand@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 21:12:30 JST Gerfand

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     @weaf But can they do anything tho?
     Russia has so much advantages over lots and lots of ways that they will just attrition the Ukranians, their Goal is to make Ukraine look like Paraguay, they want it to be unable to do war and that requires what they are doing there.
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   • Weaf :jv::nv: (weaf@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 21:17:22 JST Weaf :jv::nv:

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     @Gerfand Now that the NATO tanks and plane aren't coming for atleast another year the only thing they can do is escalate the conflict by provoking Russia with border raids, deep bombings, and using chemical weapons to maybe get the Russians to do something stupid that would require NATO to directly intervene (or do a false flag)
   • Lichelord Godfrey (lichelordgodfrey@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 21:41:13 JST Lichelord Godfrey

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     @Elliptica @WashedOutGundamPilot @sky999999 @weaf we were there because Israel demanded it as part of their “Greater Israel Project” , and to eventually invade Iran from there.

   • :spinnenrad: Festivegoat :spinnenrad: (eiregoat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 21:41:13 JST :spinnenrad: Festivegoat :spinnenrad:

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     Also to push russia behind yet another chokepoint. They already partially control the bosphorous, kaliningrad is noncontiguous, st petersburg is potentially cut off by finland and estonia, archangelsk too. Their only port that isn't behind a straits controlled by an EU/NATO member is vladivostok, and it's too far away to be a reliable trading port for the main population centers.
     
     They couldn't afford to let NATO have the azov sea and crimea.
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   • Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 21:41:14 JST Anime Wong

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @sky999999 @weaf I still think the "bloody for oil" thing was nonsense, though I may be colored by my father's service during that time. I didn't get the impression that the US "invaded Iraq" for oil, and I don't think the US was messing around in Eastern Europe for lithium.
     
     At the very worst they might do something like how England and the USSR invaded Iran for access (or to control access) to it's oil markets, but not to just take it.
   • Sick Burn, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 23:59:14 JST Sick Burn, Bro

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     • Boina Roja Enthusiast Karl Dahl
     @KarlDahl @weaf There has been a lot said about armchair generals, but now more than ever, our generals ARE generals that have never been shot at, and that carries with it some very big problems.
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   • Gerfand (gerfand@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 06-Mar-2023 23:59:44 JST Gerfand

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     @weaf well but I mean, vs what Russia has, do they have a better strat, because if they used Bakhmut for example, as just a strong point, well that just means they get pushed back everywhere else.
     
     The problem is that Russia already saw what Ukraine got, and this is the funny
     "lets make Bakhmut into Gronzy"
     Gronzy 1st or Gronzy 2nd?
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