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1. Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 11:10:56 JST Moon
   ADL is claiming all extremist murders in 2022 were right wing groups and mostly white supremacists. seems to be correct except they include an incel murderer which i don't know i'd say was _primarily_ right wing.
   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 11:10:56 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     @Moon these people rewrote Elliot Rodger to be a neo Nazi. That's all that needs to be said
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 11:15:01 JST Moon

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     @PhenomX6 did they? anyway yeah i don't trust them but i checked out the incidents and unless there was an omission (dooubtless there is) the numbers added up with the exception i mentioned. i wasn't super thorough though
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     @Moon some groups did but they're the same types that claim mastodon is deliberately hiding pedos by breaking search.
     
     There's been a push to associate incels with the far right and anyone who has run into either group knows the only reason there's an association is the leftists push them out.
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 11:21:16 JST Moon

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     @lanodan there can be an overlap but by their own criteria if there are multiple ideologies they count the primary
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 11:21:16 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @Moon @lanodan You can check what they count and there's always a bunch of crap in it
     
     Like that year some muslism did a shooting at a gay club, it was filled under "right wing", including the Vegas shooting we still know nothing about I believe
     
     A bunch of other entries were debatable too
     
     The news ran with it "Right wing violence up 200%!!!!" it went from double digit... to staying double digit
   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 11:21:17 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @Moon Right-wing makes sense for politicians/activists/… but for incels… eh?
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 11:25:48 JST Moon

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     @coolboymew @lanodan the actual count was 25 people, which is about as many murders as happen in two weeks in Chicago.
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   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 11:28:20 JST Moon

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     @PhenomX6 to me their logic seems to be right wing is sexist and incels are sexist so incels are right wing which is elementary school logic fail if they were actually dumb but of course they are being deliberately deceptive
   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 11:28:20 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     My theory as for why they're grouped like that is that it's the demographics of the groups and the attempts to demonize men. The far-left sphere has a very burning hatred for "angry white men" and it's why it was speculated the CVille tiki torch aspect was set up for that photo op (and they still reference this years later). They tend to focus on a very specific branch of incels, namely "angry white men" who post on r9k and people like NegativeXP and his orbiters. When Elliot Rodger unfolded, aside from being used as an example for "why we need red flag laws", he was heavily used to push "men bad" propaganda on Twitter and there was this whole wave of it. Nevermind the fact that online individuals were making fun of his height or his tryhard attempts at picking up women or thinking "luxury goods" would get him women.
     
     The truth is, if we're talking about actual incels it's a very wide spectrum from cunny posters to certain types of AGP trans individuals who wanted to "be" the girlfriend they wanted to have to gay/closet gay dudes who constantly have no other topics of discussion other than how women are dumb sluts. There's also the femcels (who some incel wiki and others deny exists), jailhouse gay, and others at the fringe of that.
   • Big Richard (big_richard@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 11:31:04 JST Big Richard

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     @coolboymew @Moon @lanodan
     
     They also use feds to hunt for schizos on discord and incite them to pop off, then they call it right wing terror attacks. Outside of these and their definition-stretching cases, there are zero incidents of right wing terrorist incidents.
     
     There is a counter signal meme for this type of lie because they try it so often, but fuck if I can find it on the fly.
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   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 11:31:11 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @Moon @coolboymew US moment…
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   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 11:32:50 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     I also heard that school shooting numbers are inflated by adding in everything from shootings that caused school lockdowns adjacent to it, to even shit like that one Portland antifa dad who tried to shoot a cop at a school over a custody battle.
     
     >Like that year some muslism did a shooting at a gay club, it was filled under "right wing", including the Vegas shooting we still know nothing about I believe
     
     There's a reason for that, they had a political motive for covering the shooting that way. They didn't want to address the inconvenient truth, that those they worship aren't good little allies for other causes. Their #1 cause to rally around of the time was LGBT rights, anything else came second.
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   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 11:46:37 JST Moon

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     @lanodan @coolboymew biden went out of his way to declare that white supremacy was the number one extremist threat in the usa and a national security threat but even among right wing murders in the usa they mostly weren't being done by groups and the groups that did are nowhere near able to affect "national security". i don't expect any extremism to rank compared to normal crime in frequency but this just reinforces that our view of the main problems is highly distorted.
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   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 11:48:17 JST xianc78

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     @Moon @lanodan @coolboymew He literally listed right-libertarian symbols as "extremist symbols".

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   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 11:53:26 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     The groups that did murders would get broken up by the feds in the good old days the minute they did one.
     
     There was a group called The Order that literally stole their name and premise from The Turner Diaries. Their activities were counterfeiting money, fraud, and assassinating some shock jock and the minute they assassinated the shock jock most of their members were arrested and their leader (IIRC) died in a Waco style shootout with the feds (totally not killed by the feds). There were other milita and similar groups being broken up/infiltrated in the feds in the 80s-90s, and both Atomwaffen and that Michigan Governor plot sting are examples of this in the present day. It doesn't happen that the #1 enemy of the far-right's productivity today is online drama. There's little difference between Nick Fuentes and the infamous DSA convention, except Nick's a eceleb instead of renting a motel for nobodies.
     
     Lately if you look at the White Nationalist/far-right sphere online the trend over the past few years has been to simply post online and make memes. For every retarded boomer whose idea of "doing something" is to shoot up a synagogue of old grannies, most of the younger ones prefer to piss people off with memes or FBI crime statistics instead of rotting in prison when you can get life in prison for merely failing to escape from an unauthorized protest. It's to the point where /pol/ users often get trolled by merely uttering the words "you won't do shit".
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   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 11:56:19 JST xianc78

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     @tn5421 @lanodan @coolboymew @Moon It's lesbian so it has to be a TERF.

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   • [Moved] Neopolitan (tn5421@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 11:56:20 JST [Moved] Neopolitan

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     @lanodan @xianc78 @Moon @coolboymew
     ADL: "does this mean leasbian hate?"
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   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 11:56:21 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @tn5421 @xianc78 @Moon @coolboymew ADL would be hecking confused on seeing :blobcatlesbian: or other variants of that.
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   • [Moved] Neopolitan (tn5421@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 11:56:22 JST [Moved] Neopolitan

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     @xianc78 @Moon @lanodan @coolboymew
     
     ADL considers the following to be a hate symbol:
     
     :blobcat:
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   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 11:58:10 JST xianc78

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     • [Moved] Neopolitan

     @lanodan @tn5421 @Moon @coolboymew https://polcompball.miraheze.org/wiki/Stransserism

   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 11:58:11 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @xianc78 @tn5421 @coolboymew @Moon but :blobcattrans:
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   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 12:00:13 JST Moon

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     @lanodan @coolboymew like he specifically mentioned that black people shouldn't have to be afraid of this but i just checked and just police killing black people was about 10x as big as by white supremacist mass killings. the number of blacks killed by non extremist crime is probably massive.
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   • ☑⚡thurisaz⚡ (toiletpaper@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 12:00:22 JST ☑⚡thurisaz⚡

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     if I were a paranoid person I'd point to the ostensibly anti-white idpol being pushed in schools, media, politics, etc, and then things like this...
     
     https://www.jpost.com/international/article-713109
     https://www.theepochtimes.com/dhs-warns-of-ukrainian-neo-nazi-battalions-recruiting-americans_4505145.html
     https://mronline.org/2022/06/03/dhs-concerned-over-nazis-returning-to-u-s-after-fighting-in-ukraine/
     
     ...and I would suspect that to one extent or another this is being orchestrated so that in the future there will be some plausible excuse to turn on the domestic population. at least the plebs.
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   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 12:01:54 JST Moon

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     @toiletpaper @lanodan @coolboymew luckily according to the adl, the azov battalion has been purged of almost all white supremacist and neo nazi elements.
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   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 12:11:40 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • a Claes unto himself 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛
     Well you see, only "white male" incels (or what the media calls as such). There's no doubt femcels or those whose solution was to take HRT and get a new set of pronouns.
     
     Turns out, coming out as trans is a great way to wash away the original sin of being an angry white male.
     
     To quote this in the context of Tumblr (now Twitter and certain parts of the fedi); https://archive.is/p09aP
     
     >User A can, however, do something about this. They want to achieve acceptance, and they are willing to take steps to ensure they have it. And since this is the internet, it's safe to say that one can lie. And so, in this particular case, User A does. A lot. User A can claim online that he is a race or gender he isn't, or, indeed, one that does not exist. User A can even claim to be a species he isn't. He can self-diagnose himself with medical or especially mental health conditions, claim to have multiple personalities, claim to be disabled, or claim to be gay or transgendered. He can call himself a "butch trans lesbian" without having to change his orientation or how he presents himself. The sky is the limit, and because Tumblr's economy of privilege ensures one is higher in status the lower their status, only those who push beyond the normal boundaries - and into the realm of outright parodic - can reach the highest echelons of social status.
   • a Claes unto himself 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 12:11:41 JST a Claes unto himself 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛

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     @Moon @PhenomX6 If the left rejects incels and the right doesn't, doesn't that over time make incels right-wing through immersion and assimilation?
   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 12:12:23 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • a Claes unto himself 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛
     Only to some extent yes. It's less wanting to be right wing and more "they're the only places that don't ban me". Those people don't give much of a shit about minorities, just the women fucking other guys.
   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 12:12:25 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • a Claes unto himself 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛
     @clacke @PhenomX6 @Moon Would be true if there wasn't massive political apathy.
   • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 12:50:01 JST スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     @PhenomX6 @lanodan @Moon @coolboymew these are crazy times
     no one carrying out attacks against the system, whether they be a lone wolf or a well-organized, well-funded, and well-armed group, can match the destructive power of a striver class midwit with an MBA who's acting within the system, for the system's benefit, and in line with the system's values.
     compare the incident where somebody shot up those substations with an electric utility executive who makes systematic neglect of the power grid, running skeleton crews, deferred maintenance, and reducing inventory of expensive equipment with long lead times the official company policy for the purpose of increasing profit for the next fiscal quarter.
     compare one angry white man who manages to sabotage a few expensive parts before being fired for making too many careless mistakes with a manager who's dutifully internalized the system's party line on diversity and felt a moral calling to give a strong preference to hiring and promoting minority groups over clearly more qualified white men.
     
     i've said it before and i'll say it again: the most damaging thing a far-righty can do to the system without going to Super Jail for 7000 years is to quit showing up to work every day to do their best. become a dead weight on the system, dragging it down rather than propping it up.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 12:50:29 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:
     @skylar @PhenomX6 @lanodan @Moon
     
     > become a dead weight on the system, dragging it down rather than propping it up.
     
     The system pretty much already gives the best incentive for that
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     • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:
     So my factory job at a computer plant is fucking over the system more than any dipshit shooting up some church full of people who have no power ever could.
     
     When I'm finally free of this job (which I'm quitting soon) I have so many stores I'd love to share, but I'll just make it brief. Imagine a computer manufacturing plant, staffed exclusively (with the exception of my department which has a different firm) with mostly diversity hires who know nothing about computers or ESD.
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   • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 13:52:13 JST スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:

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     • ☑⚡thurisaz⚡
     @Moon @lanodan @coolboymew @toiletpaper this is one time i believe the ADL
     it would be just too easy for zelensky and his NATO friends to deal with politically inconvenient nationalists who might do appalling acts of white supremacist terror, like standing up for their nation and its people by fighting back when zelensky & friends sell out whatever's left of ukraine to western corporate interests
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     I guess the reason jewish oligarchs like igor kolomoisky (owner of controlling interest in burisma holdings) fund overtly neo-nazi groups like azov in cooperation with the cia and various ngos since 2014, is largely to prevent russia making any claim over oil and natgas resources (etc) in donbas which they are contending for (having already lost crimea). but as the initial instigators and ideological front, neo-nazis eventually exhaust their cultural cache, especially among liberals, and can be adequately replaced with ex-nato/mercenary forces now that the cannon fodder is mostly out of the way. the job of polishing the turd was completed by all the token blue/yellow profile images and collective bleating of "slava ukraini!" (originally a white nationalist slogan), so they don't even really need to sweep the whole neo-nazi business under the rug anymore.
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     They don't like western women either but prefer to see them as "I can fix her", go for foreign women, or choose 2d instead or have more diverse topics than only bitching about TFWNOGF.
   • leftout (leftout@gleasonator.com)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 14:34:06 JST leftout

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     @PhenomX6 @Moon Why don’t the rightists push them out too?
   • leftout (leftout@gleasonator.com)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 22:19:07 JST leftout

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     @coolboymew @Moon @lanodan An example of an increase of 200% could be from 10 to 30, which are both double digits.
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   • ベッサーヴィッサー :verify: :verified: :verified_flashing: (besserwisser@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 22:19:23 JST ベッサーヴィッサー :verify: :verified: :verified_flashing:

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     @coolboymew @Moon @lanodan I mean, Islamism is right wing, but it is misleading to say "white supremacists" in conjunction with it then.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 22:19:55 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @besserwisser @Moon @lanodan yes/no but it's just rather dishonest of them in general