@netdoll@marine@errante Also a lot of the "Britain has bad food" memes stem from American Revolutionary War propaganda. The inverse (the notion that America has "no culture") is similarly persistent. Both are bullshit.
@netdoll@marine I'm sympathetic to some of what Land has to say for sure. i feel it's obvious that technology progresses faster than society, and that we cannot rely on the ruling elite to ever properly adapt society to technological progress. We could render labour obsolete with machines and we'd still have overlords who find increasingly deranged excuses to force proles to "go to work" (for just enough "money" to survive.)
In this sense I understand the core of accelerationism: the notion that we might as well get all the dogshit over with and rush to a point where existing societal structures become unsustainable.
But it's not like I've read Land myself, I'm just familiar with SOME of his core notions. Bluntly, I don't really read philosophy. I prefer psychology.
@marine@netdoll I should clarify that Not All Feminists can be shoved into this camp, I've met some who actually do advocate for healthy feminine archetypal relations.
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@marine@netdoll "feminism" is such a broad school of thought that I don't feel it fair to address it as a whole, but I do think that trying to eradicate patriarchy through cultural engineering is a lost cause.
In history's more functional societies, men and women had different roles and domains, but there was a balance of power. Consider Viking women holding the only keys to the house, or the popular play/legend of Spartan women withholding sex from men as a form of leverage. The interplay is as old as time and trying to "solve" the apparent power disparity resulting from millennia of Abrahamic trash by erasing gender essentiality altogether and making everyone a good worker bee is a waste of time.
@netdoll@marine The hilarious part of that is that etymologically, "man" refers to our species, the prefix "wo-" is a feminine signifier. It's true that over time we've lost the masculine prefix "wer-", and sure, that probably IS due to patriarchy. "Werman" is no longer the word for a male human. The prefix persists only in "Werewolf," which ironically is now used to refer to female lycanthropes too. The proper word should be "Wowolf" which admittedly, sounds hilarious.
@marine Nooo you don't understand!!! It's NOT just an American meme!!!!!! It's used in Latin America too and even Spain!!!!!!! Here are examples of it in use in the wild. They're ALL from lunatic Marxist posters pasted up in urban areas but please believe me ordinary people use it!!!!
@1iceloops123@parismarx It's all about leaving a mark and feeling useful for guys like this. I've worked for several. They're all useless parasitic assholes and people only tolerate them because they have money.
@nyx Holy shit I did that and only the first two were kino, 3 was schlocky but kinda fun, 4 and 5 were bearable but 6 onwards is just an unwatchable mess
@errante@Metamedia@orangelantern Definitely, and just to chime in here: I think "Platonic love" is an oft misunderstood term, because it's used in a modern context to argue for some kind of "higher love" which is non-sexual. In the actual Platonic dialogue people are alluding to, Plato simply posits the presence of a kind of non-sexual and "purely spiritual" love as distinct from a purely sexual and "non-spiritual" love, but then goes on to argue for their potential coexistence and synergy, with the highest form of love being attained through having the two in unison.
Also on a personal level, yeah, thinking about it, the teachers I learned best from were the ones I was attracted to. This DID often take a sexual form. But not always. (For example, despite having no love for Marxism at all, I had deep love for my zealously Marxist english teacher. We used to argue furiously and constantly and I respected his intellectual rigor and passion for his beliefs. I went to see his cringy band play live where he would perform while out of his mind on speed and talk about how we should bomb America.)
@Metamedia@errante@orangelantern My one feminist teacher was an insecure coward who used to bully boys in her classes, constantely teling them that they were worse at math than girls because they were male, taking any opportunity to emasculate and belittle them. I despised her because I despised bullies, and this early encounter made me critical of feminism.
Eventually meeting self-described feminists who are more concerned with *positive femininity* than with emasculation/belittling of men (or "honourary manhood" for women) did do something to challenge this. But ultimately my cognitions of the masculine and feminine weren't fixed by politics (which I have no faith in anyway) but by psychology and mythology.
In this book (written by some kind of native american shamanic woman who is also a PhD in Jungian Psychology) positive feminine archetypes and their repression are discussed at length. I admit I haven't read it myself, it's on my reading list but it has a lower priority than some other books that I want to read. But this is the kind of positivity I'm talking about. I much prefer the notion of an essential and distinct femininity (and masculinity) to hylic notions of pure gender-constructivism. As I said before, Hindu perspectives resonate a lot for me, and their *primary divisor* below the Oversoul itself is into the divine masculine and divine feminine.
Jung recommends that men contact and ratify their anima, and women their animus, and this chimes with my magical experience too. I think "climbing the ladder" to ekstasis ("going outside the self") and enthusiasm ("infusion with the divine") means addressing your opposite number. This is, for example, why WIZARDS WEAR DRESSES. It's why Shaktist magic is popular with Hindu men. It's why even Kabbalah, rooted firmly in a cognition of "God as Masculine," just takes the L and acknowledges a "feminine divine power."
@Metamedia@errante@orangelantern Yeah that's what I said! Though that's the account of him as an actual person. AFAIK the idea that she was married is pretty commonly accepted on the basis that marriage served a social function between Greek noble families (of which she was a part, being VERY moneyed.)
@Metamedia@orangelantern It's a highly unpopular opinion but I actually find the Greek conflation of sexual instruction with philosophical instruction wholesome. In modern society we're encouraged to keep these two things TOTALLY seperate, with teacher-student relationships even among adults being largely frowned upon (and some COMPANIES even seeking to ban office romance, like that's ever gonna work.)
But the Greek Cycle™ was that when you were a young and breedable boy you got fucked in the ass by a ripped chad who'd spent years rowing in the navy while contemplating advanced philosophy and mathematics, and he'd teach you what was what when you weren't making love. Then you did your time in the military, got as ripped as him, and repeated the cycle.
I REALLY do not see how this was harmful and I don't care what anyone says. When you look at the letters between these guys (or Romans who did the same thing) these relationships were usually lifelong and friendly. Nobody turned around upon reaching adulthood and said "you raped me!!" and in fact many of these sexual relationships persisted well into adulthood too. The examples I could find of students turning against masters were on philosophical grounds - and these were few and far between anyway.
Of course, we should always remember that none of these "based" societies were in any way perfect. As is probably obvious Indic religions resonate deeply with me (luv cyclical time, luv the personal cognition of God, luv the Ultimate Reality, luv me Shakti, luv the left hand path, simple as) but I'm under no illusions about the fact that Vedic society had LITERALLY ZERO class mobility and that the excuses for perpetuating this are hard-coded even into the Rigveda (in which Varna is mentioned.) Let's not forget that Ancient Greek society was only sustainable because of slavery, for example. Also, as is frequently pointed out, despite women having held considerable social power in their own right, their surviving writings are few and far between. In fact, the society seems to have been chiefly segregated by sex, with married couples spending little time together. Stuff like that.
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