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1. Metamedia 👁 Let's Get Bionicle Together (LGBT) (metamedia@snowdin.town)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 03:04:29 JST Metamedia 👁 Let's Get Bionicle Together (LGBT)

   • Alex
   • Orange Lantern
   @hermit @orangelantern leave the gays alone 😭.
   
   Greeks actually nailed it for me. They would just talk about philosophy all day, and then go to the femboy symposium.
   
   Big chad energy
   • Alex (hermit@hermitmountain.top)'s status on Tuesday, 07-Mar-2023 03:06:31 JST Alex

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     • Orange Lantern
     @Metamedia @orangelantern It's a highly unpopular opinion but I actually find the Greek conflation of sexual instruction with philosophical instruction wholesome. In modern society we're encouraged to keep these two things TOTALLY seperate, with teacher-student relationships even among adults being largely frowned upon (and some COMPANIES even seeking to ban office romance, like that's ever gonna work.)
     
     But the Greek Cycle™ was that when you were a young and breedable boy you got fucked in the ass by a ripped chad who'd spent years rowing in the navy while contemplating advanced philosophy and mathematics, and he'd teach you what was what when you weren't making love. Then you did your time in the military, got as ripped as him, and repeated the cycle.
     
     I REALLY do not see how this was harmful and I don't care what anyone says. When you look at the letters between these guys (or Romans who did the same thing) these relationships were usually lifelong and friendly. Nobody turned around upon reaching adulthood and said "you raped me!!" and in fact many of these sexual relationships persisted well into adulthood too. The examples I could find of students turning against masters were on philosophical grounds - and these were few and far between anyway.
     
     Of course, we should always remember that none of these "based" societies were in any way perfect. As is probably obvious Indic religions resonate deeply with me (luv cyclical time, luv the personal cognition of God, luv the Ultimate Reality, luv me Shakti, luv the left hand path, simple as) but I'm under no illusions about the fact that Vedic society had LITERALLY ZERO class mobility and that the excuses for perpetuating this are hard-coded even into the Rigveda (in which Varna is mentioned.) Let's not forget that Ancient Greek society was only sustainable because of slavery, for example. Also, as is frequently pointed out, despite women having held considerable social power in their own right, their surviving writings are few and far between. In fact, the society seems to have been chiefly segregated by sex, with married couples spending little time together. Stuff like that.