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Notices by Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club), page 59

  1. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:48:52 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
    • Moon
    • kaia
    • Hyolobrika
    • Dushman
    @moffintosh @kaia @dushman @Moon @Hyolobrika but if I do not like milk then the price per gallon has absolutely zero effect on me. A gallon of milk holds no value to a person who does not consume milk.
    In conversation about 11 months ago from shitposter.club permalink
  2. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:43:57 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
    • Moon
    • kaia
    • Hyolobrika
    • Dushman
    @moffintosh @kaia @dushman @Moon @Hyolobrika you don't need a 2 ton machine to bend steel. You don't need a tractor or hectares to produce food. You don't need "associated fertilizer" or whatever. Chicken and pig shit are great fertilizer if composted first. Rabbit shit can be used immediately. You can eat the animals too.

    animal husbandry is a skill. Tending soil is a skill. Planting and harvesting is a skill. Before you have those skills the tractor is just going to get you hurt. If you are on less space you may need to be creative to compete in the food market. You could easily fit a couple dozen fruit trees on a space less than a single hectare. If you don't have property where you can plant trees then maybe farming is not the business you should be focusing on. Again there are all kinds of skills you can build up which can then be used to produce value for yourself either in the form of wages or a small business. You don't need to compete with the big businesses all that much outside of retail.
    In conversation about 11 months ago from shitposter.club permalink
  3. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:32:16 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
    • Moon
    • kaia
    • Hyolobrika
    • Dushman
    @moffintosh @kaia @dushman @Moon @Hyolobrika It's only an example, but if you think that you need to compete with Ikea or Wayfair to have a successful furntiture business I think you are not understanding several things. For one, the market for hardwood furniture doesn't directly overlap with the pressed sawdust market. There are enough people who work on commissions and make completely custom furniture to know there is a market for it.

    Another misunderstanding is you don't need to beat your competitors entirely to produce value for yourself. You simply need to compete well enough to produce the value you want. There are several local plumbers that exist in spite of the fact that rotorooter has a market presence here. Sometimes a local plumber will even recommend you go ahead and call in the big guys, but they coexist just fine. This might not be true of retail, but the only "value" a retailer is providing is access to goods so the larger retailers with more access to goods and lower prices are going to take a lot more business from the small guys.
    In conversation about 11 months ago from shitposter.club permalink
  4. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:19:39 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
    • Moon
    • kaia
    • Hyolobrika
    • Dushman
    @moffintosh @kaia @dushman @Moon @Hyolobrika I can touch things. I can't touch "value". A thing can have value to me and be entirely worthless to you. How does that work?
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  5. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:18:58 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
    • Moon
    • kaia
    • Hyolobrika
    • Dushman
    @moffintosh @kaia @dushman @Moon @Hyolobrika > skills must be acquired

    :nod: yes of course. Building skills is a good thing. Skills are real value that no one else can ever take away from you.

    Plenty of people work for themselves, and yes they have to compete, but it's not just down to price. A person who has layed flooring for 20 years can charge more than a person who just started doing it last year if the quality of their work justifies it to the people they marekt to.
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  6. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:14:11 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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    • Moon
    • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
    • kaia
    • Hyolobrika
    • Dushman
    @moffintosh @Hyolobrika @Moon @dushman @kaia I don't know it just seems to me that skills are more important to being able to convert work into value. Whether you are earning a wage or selling products or services the skills are what make you or your products valuable to the person (or business) willing to pay. Sure having property/capital can expand your capabilities but it's not a hard requirement.
    In conversation about 11 months ago from social.076.moe permalink
  7. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:06:46 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
    • Moon
    • kaia
    • Hyolobrika
    • Dushman
    @moffintosh @kaia @dushman @Moon @Hyolobrika so it's a skill issue
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  8. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:06:11 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
    • Moon
    • kaia
    • Hyolobrika
    • Dushman
    @moffintosh @kaia @dushman @Moon @Hyolobrika the food system is centralized and tainted by subsidies
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  9. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:05:39 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
    • Moon
    • kaia
    • Hyolobrika
    • Dushman
    @moffintosh @kaia @dushman @Moon @Hyolobrika what's to stop me from making and selling furniture?
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  10. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:04:20 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
    • Moon
    • kaia
    • Hyolobrika
    • Dushman
    @moffintosh @kaia @dushman @Moon @Hyolobrika you mean to say that your work produces a higher monetary value for your employer than you, but this is not the same thing as being paid less than you produce. You are paid to do a thing, and that thing is intended to make the company money. In exchange you accept a wage for your time and effort. If you don't like the offered wage or feel it doesn't represent a value you think your time is worth, you can turn it down.

    This is starting to sound like a skill issue tbh.
    In conversation about 11 months ago from shitposter.club permalink
  11. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-Jan-2024 00:01:30 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
    • Moon
    • kaia
    • Hyolobrika
    • Dushman
    @moffintosh @kaia @dushman @Moon @Hyolobrika but value isn't a "thing" is it? It's an ambiguous and largely relative/subjective property. I also don't think value requries "work" to exist.

    a shop is only one kind of business. If you have skills you can sell those skills with little to no capital. A person who knows a trade for example can go on craigslist and put up an ad for I think something like 5USD per month. Word of mouth is free.

    You can always turn down low wages, and if a business refuses to adjust wages and enough people consider their wage offering to be lacking they will fail if they depend on being able to employ people.
    In conversation about 11 months ago from shitposter.club permalink
  12. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 04-Jan-2024 23:53:14 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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    • Richard Stallman
    @rms microplastics and other endocrine disrupters are a more serious concern in my opinion.
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  13. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 04-Jan-2024 23:50:24 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
    in reply to
    • Moon
    • :nintendo_switch: Cyrus :nintendo_switch:
    • kaia
    • Hyolobrika
    • Dushman
    @Kagekokoro @kaia @dushman @moffintosh @Moon @Hyolobrika I vote for the brick layer. his work if done well could stick around for thousands of years. Even the best doctor is only going to keep a body running for around a hundred years.
    In conversation about 11 months ago from social.076.moe permalink
  14. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 04-Jan-2024 23:48:36 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
    • Moon
    • kaia
    • Hyolobrika
    • Dushman
    @moffintosh @kaia @dushman @Moon @Hyolobrika how is needing to eat coercion/force? If I decide not to work for a wage and own my own property (as much as I can do in the current system) why couldn't I produce some good or service and charge whatever I want? Obviously the market should be considered when setting prices but why do I need a wage? I just need money to shut the tax man up. I could even barter for food and energy if I wanted to, or at least there are no laws preventing me from doing so.
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  15. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 04-Jan-2024 23:42:43 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
    • Moon
    • kaia
    • Hyolobrika
    • Dushman
    @moffintosh @kaia @dushman @Moon @Hyolobrika what is "value"? I think unless you are working directly for self you are always going to feel like value is being extracted.

    You can always improve skills or leverage the competitive nature of the system and earn more money in a capitalist system if you don't feel like your effort translates to an appropriate value. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" results in you having no control over what your work is valued at.
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  16. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 04-Jan-2024 23:27:36 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
    • Moon
    • kaia
    • Hyolobrika
    • Dushman
    @moffintosh @kaia @dushman @Moon @Hyolobrika wages aren't forced. You can grow food or hunt, but you need property to do so. Sadly with a large hungry state there is no such thing as property ownership which leaves us back at needing to earn a wage if for nothing else than to appease the state.
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  17. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 04-Jan-2024 23:24:24 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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    • Moon
    • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
    • kaia
    • Hyolobrika
    • Dushman
    @moffintosh @Hyolobrika @Moon @dushman @kaia the only reason you need a "wage" is because we're all in on a global more or less centrally controlled economy which "requires" a state that extracts value from individuals "for the greater good" or whatever.

    You seem to be advocating for a socialist state, but please explain how you won't be put to work if you want to eat?
    In conversation about 11 months ago from social.076.moe permalink
  18. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 04-Jan-2024 23:19:29 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
    • Moon
    • kaia
    • Hyolobrika
    • Dushman
    @moffintosh @kaia @dushman @Moon @Hyolobrika I mean currency or no I think every animal everywhere has to work for their food.
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  19. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 04-Jan-2024 22:05:37 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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    • augustus pugin 🌖
    • meeper
    @meeper @augustus fact check: mostly true

    The be human bit is real. I think the cease fire bit is not. Still implies you are not human if you don't "stand for Israel"
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  20. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 04-Jan-2024 21:59:34 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
    • Moon
    • kaia
    • Hyolobrika
    • Dushman
    @moffintosh @kaia @dushman @Moon @Hyolobrika I'd say any system can include coercion, but a system that centralizes authority on all things is likely to include more coercion than one which is more or less voluntary. The only real and unavoidable coercion in a capitalist system is the tax burden which isn't really even necessary for or unique to capitalism.
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