Notices by laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org), page 2
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laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jun-2024 02:48:18 JST 
laurel
@mint @blaaablaaaa
"Twitter boomer psychosis"
"Instaselfie OCD" -
laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jun-2024 01:45:41 JST
laurel
@PurpCat @Tsuki @Weeble
Yeah, but back then a multitude of insulated subcultures existed in parallel to that normie mass. Even when a particular creation of one of those subcultures received viral attention it wouldn't kill the subculture behind it.
Nowadays this normie mass, and the accompanying memeplex, feels like the end all, be all, of the entire culture.
I don't even know where to start analyzing it.
From the stream of slop products made to order for this normie mass while sabotaging all other creation as competition.
To very few subcultures still managing to have enough depth, a couple of them are anime and the sexual lgbtqawtfbbq ones. -
laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 06:39:52 JST
laurel
@p
I'll go through the reading material and give feedback when I'm done.
>making accounts and "infiltrating". (I have more to say about this, I don't know if I have dumped the links at you.)
Those links sound interesting.
>but this time we are the USSR
I recently read "Everything Was Forever, Until It Was No More" which is about the social conditions during the last decades of the USSR and the behavior of the average people reminded me a lot of what we are dealing with today. His main point was that the latest Soviet system had succeeded, no matter its shortcomings, to convince the greater mass of people that they were on the side of good(tm) while even the dissidents believed that the system would go on forever.
>It's intelligence agencies and their projects.
It is. Still, you need to at least subvert a site's administration and/or moderation in order to get to the level we are seeing now. And it is everywhere, meaning that a very big part of the population has concluded that this constant degeneration of online interactions is in their best interests, which could be interpreted as the long term result of this intelligence services and political grifting.
>but Japanese discussions are free of this kind of thing.
Can you recommend some websites? I do agree that at a personal and irl group level the Japanese can still deal better with this kind of thing, but during my research a couple of years ago I found online Japanese discussions to be extensively Westernized. The main website I browsed was 2channel, the one where you need a Japanese ip to view. -
laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 06:39:51 JST
laurel
@p
>I don't even think you need to do any direct subversion.
Granted, but you need to turn the administrators/moderators either consciously or unconsciously. In places already commercialized you don't have to, but that's because the true administrator is the corporation in the first place. But on our side I have never seen once a place go down without the moderators switching sides long before.
>Most people just go with the flow
Yeah, but they need to be placated in some way that makes sense to them. If everybody has a bad time it's quite more difficult to go with the flow. That's why they make sure the masses are distracted and relatively well off at least as long as the whole system is not fully in place.
Also, relatively recent national historical experiences do play a role in the feasibility of this type of operations.
>you just have to follow some Japanese people.
Fedi is an exception. And at its pleroma/mastodon form it doesn't really incentivize group creation. -
laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 06:39:50 JST
laurel
@p
It's like 20 irc channels in the same room.
Truth is I'm cooking something up for this issue. -
laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Sunday, 09-Jun-2024 06:39:49 JST
laurel
@p
Wish I had more time to work on it.
I'm on my second house move this year, thinking it'd be simpler to go full digital nomad. -
laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jun-2024 20:08:36 JST
laurel
@mint @p
It does exist, but the users are not lapping up the propaganda nearly as much. Also, the larger part of those with that hyper aggressive Western liberal behavior usually come out as Russian expats when pressed about it. -
laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jun-2024 19:53:48 JST
laurel
@p
>article is from 2009
It's very on point, things have only gotten worse and the problems much more pervasive, he even talks about neural nets.
And it's the exact same problem: "Based on our pitch material our VC backed startup will grow to 1 billion users in 6 months, we need to address this before we even have a product."
>gRPC
It reminded of Erlang type rpc functionality as a band aid to the rat's nest problem you mentioned.
>commercially available bananas are clones
>it's better to locally source your binaries
I doubt the people pushing for these can manage their own systems the traditional way. The projects they build are so similar that it feels like they are just repeating the same exact narrow skillset they've been trained for at their job.
They also completely ignore the process by which OSS is being created and maintained, that is by teams of people working together without a cabal dictating how things should interact.
A lot of these problems would probably be further exaggerated by the type of monetized OSS development that has turned android into a shitheap. Just whoever is funding a big chunk of OSS projects trying to terraform the landscape into something more centralized and easily controlled. -
laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jun-2024 19:53:47 JST
laurel
@p
>https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2024/06/seeing-like-a-data-structure.html
That was an excellent article! Very nice blog aesthetics too.
Also got me very interested in the book he mentions "Seeing Like a State" by James C. Scott.
Lately I've been trying to understand why I myself used to think so much in this type of abstractions. It takes conscious effort to reject abstractions and understand how things work down to a human level. I was always doing it, even before I started to extensively use the net. I'd blame it on my eccentricities but then everybody else does it too.
There must be some psychological processes going on here that eventually manifests themselves in all human built systems from the polis to the world wide web. And it is probably the same reason so many people seem to prefer online interactions and parasocialization than irl encounters, zoomers seem to prefer porn than actual sex.
There are economic reasons too, because in order to get to these levels of dissociation and treating each others like numbers you need to be wealthy enough to shield yourself from the various indignities of normal interaction, the consequences of your actions.
There's also the political situation that plays a role here. I've been increasingly embedding myself in Russian online spaces for the past couple of years and the difference in conversational quality is huge. No matter the specific platform, from imageboards to niche forums, to mainstream social media people can discuss and disagree over matters that cannot be openly talked about here due to extreme bad faith from moderators and their protected groups. The actual quality of information shared is also for the most part above and beyond what you find on Western sites and above all it is *legible* as Schneier says.
I've been thinking for a year now that most online spaces have turned completely unintelligible with people just shouting opinions that don't even make sense outside the context they originally heard them from. You read a thread on an imageboard or forum and the posts make zero sense, like reading a foreign language or something. -
laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jun-2024 15:24:10 JST
laurel
Hey @p I have a question.
Why are microservices still pushed so hard?
I know that g*ogle is pushing microservices hard internally, trains their own employees and when they leave that's all they know how to do. Add to that those aspiring to work at g*ogle and those aping g*ogle.
Still, github is filled with new projects about terraform, k8s, and many stand alone microservices (most of them close copies of one another) even after all these years that this trend has been going on.
1. As more people use the internet, the number of large websites increases, making certain niches that were deployed as part of a bigger system viable on their own. This is not true however for websites that will remain small-medium in size where microservices are too big of a hustle.
2. I've noticed the same people pushing for microservices, push for "immutable" OS type standarization.
3. Pretty sure gRPC is also a component of whatever is their end game.
I'm trying to figure out what's their end goal here, because all this seems planned and I don't think it's for the good of the open internet however much they say it is.
I thought you might know more since you've been observing the trend far longer than I have. -
laurel (laurel@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Saturday, 08-Jun-2024 15:24:08 JST
laurel
@threat @p
>Nginx
I don't think nginx is a typical micro service. It has a shitload of features, a ton of plugins and can be stretched to support a multitude of use cases. It even comes with a scripting language
>Microservices as unix philosophy
I get that. The the problem is that the web is not an OS and there is a difference between an online service and a utility application. I also get that the plan is to make it turn it into WebOS that has g*ogle at the center with OSS programmers being abstracted away along with the hardware.
>Nix and Talos
My problem with these is the same problem I have with gentoo, and I'm gonna paraphrase @p here, when you learn gentoo, nix, Talos you don't learn unix, building programs or running in Ram, you learn gentoo, nix, Talos. Whereas with CRUX and Slack you do learn unix. And if you need to, you can minimize disk writes without having to go through next-best-thing and all the baggage it carries with it.
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