> I'm bringing up the lack of existance of viruses even fewer times than the mainstream media and alternative media bring up the presense of it. The only reason why I bring it up more than necessary is because I'm rather tired of it all, we (we as in the entire civilization of the earth) used to start and stop scamdemics, but for whatever reason now we seemingly only know how to start them and not stop them. It's just that every time I say "the fake virus that doesn't exist", you come up with a counter agrument, which is fine, but every single time? So please, don't tell me that I'm the one who starts this war! I'd prefer to end that "war" (if you can even call it a war) if anything.
Since it is a rare theory and you seem confident (it's like some sacred light in the dark), I am very curious on this topic, but you never give (convincing) explanations to support the no-virus theory, other than "it can't be isolated so it doesn't exist", yet we agreed there is "something", just that we don't like how it is named, or how it is used for fearmongering (which I think is a better point, rather than whether virus exists or not). But I will refrain from asking it again after this post.
If you feel tried of that, I think we should stop circling around, and we don't need to read long and boring papers for this: If virus are not real then what are they doing in the lab and the whole field? Are the virus samples fake?
> I don't mind if you believe it exists or not, worse is that there are people out there who are still outright afraid of it, which is what ultimately keeps this bullshit going.
If you simply want to stop this bullshit going then I suggest you shouldn't stick to the "no-virus". This path requires a lot of researches and effort to convince others. I already asked some simple questions above, and if there's no convincing answer then the argument would be invalid, which will make you look bad (and against your goal), unless you just want to enjoy the feel being an anti-mainstream hero. There are just better arguments against scamdemics than the "no-virus".
Simply, it is not goodness if we need to be punished when we reject their goodness. We don't know what really is inside their goodness. For example, someone can drop some poison in a cup of water, but we can't tell whether it's really a drinkable water or not, and they proof it's safe to drink because the fact water is safe to drink. If anything goes wrong, we ourselves are going to take the risk and the effect can be permanent. If people are that "stupid" to reject the goodness then it is their right, and it is good to purge stupid people.
It's also surreal to think that those in power are there to serve the underlings.
Some good quotes:
"Imagine a vaccine so safe you have to be threatened to take it -- for a disease so deadly you have to be tested to know you have it!!"
"COVID vaccine mandates are necessary because the protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn't protect the protected."
What difference does it make on whether "virus" is real or not?
I think denying the virology field is even more harmful because that means they can do whatever they want in the labs without any responsibilities, since virus never exists.
> Not sure how that relates to anything.
Semantics... The thing around LGBT is about calling "he/she/they" and the thing here is about naming "toxin/virus".
> I didn't make this ASSumption.
Yes. I said "you can make" not "you made". I was considering other possibilities.
> It's possible, I heard of people getting sick and positive, sick and negative, not sick and positive, and not sick and negative, so it's saying nothing.
Yes there are false positives/negatives, and those from PCR that can be faked (because who knows they are being honest). But for rapid kits they are done by myself. If they have faked it then they should give positives in a control environment. There could be false positives/negatives, but I did not find any clues that can tell that. Or maybe I didn't do enough tests.
> So I can move this part up to the "yes-virus" camp.
I don't think you understand the problem. I think I can assume we all know there is "something" causing illness? But what does this yes/no-virus war changes at all? What if we really debunked that "virus" does not exist in any means? Look at the LGBT people that got mad because someone used the wrong pronoun, but the genitals can describe the gender better objectively. The yes/no-virus is just like them.
If it's not obvious enough: We need to ask what the students and the researches have been studying in the field. Or is it a super psyop like what the flat-earthers refer how they hide the fact that the Earth is a disc?
It's good to challenge mainstream conversations, but then we can't accept everything just because it's "not mainstream".
> However, on the other hand, the "They can’t even explain even a simple case where a family member gets COVID and then, all of a sudden, other people in the same household get the same illness." part is something I've never actually seen happening.
>What I did see rather is that the lethally injected getting extremely sick whereas pure bloods that happen to be right in front of them don't even get a single symptom.
You can assume I am either lying or mass-poisoned by my government through food or water but I got sick too and positive with the rapid test (I also tested the kit as a control environment to see whether the kit is a fearmongering tool). I got the fever recovered in 2 or 3 days, and about another 5 or 6 days to fully recovered. I didn't need to take any medicine to recover, but I during the fever I can't do anything but lying in my bed. The symptoms are exactly the same as a cold, but a lot more severe. I am not vaxxed.
> And I'm willing to change my mind on it, or at the very least give the yes-virusists the benefit of the doubt, but show me actual scientific evidene and hard proof of a live isolate, which even the WHO, CDC, and the other institutions to this day claim not to have.
> Because if you can't prove its existance, it just doesn't exist, this used to be common sense prior to November 2016, then they slandered Russia for 4 years only to then turn out that whatever they said was not true, and that there was no evidence to back up their slandering.
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"Claiming isolation is required to prove viruses exist is like saying the Higgs Boson doesn’t exist because you can’t isolate it. Yet all the theory and the observations are consistent with the Higgs Boson. It took 40 years to “prove” it exists."
"It’s like saying gravity doesn’t exist because you cannot isolate it."
"Creating an experiment that is hard to pull off technically is not proof of non-existence. It is simply proof that some things are harder to do than other things. If I cut up a newspaper into tiny pieces the size of a letter and then ask you to prove that a newspaper existed by re-assembling the pieces, that would be extremely difficult to accomplish, but it doesn’t prove that the newspaper that was torn up never existed."
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I think it'd be logically funny if you think they have been doing nothing for real in the field and in the labs and just trick people to buy their products. No-virus supporters use "toxins" to refer the "virus". Maybe it's just "toxins"? So the problem is we want the name "toxin-ology" rather than "virology"? The whole thing looks more like about semantics to me.
All the things are about modeling of concepts, just like in the past people probably use god to model the phenomena they see, though I'm not sure whether "toxins" or "virus" describe certain phenomena better here.
I think the gravity argument summaries the isolation thing. Probably similarly they will say "gravity" is not real because we can't isolate gravity, so it doesn't exist. But what is that "something"? There is never a "real" truth because we are constrained to our understanding and skills, but there can be a model that currently describe something the best. The no-virus supporters have to give a better explanation, otherwise it would be at best just about semantics.
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