Conversation

Notices

1. 寮 (ryo@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 12:03:14 JST 寮
   For the yes-virus wankers out there, here's more proof confirming not only that I was right on the covAIDS and lethal injections being nothing more than a money laundering operation (I2P: http://pol.ryocafe.i2p/blog/lethal-injection-covaids-is-just-a-money-making-operation/ | Tor: https://social.076.moe/url/48291), but also that there is no virus to begin with.
   
   So basically, proving both the idiots on the right and the left lunatics on the wrong in 1 go.
   
   First watch the video, I recommend to watch in MPV to evade JS and Cuckflare:
   mpv https://www.bitchute.com/embed/s93E45UobQb7
   
   Next, the sources:
   H.R.748, aka the CARES Act, introduced 1 year before the scamdemic, archived because Cuckflare, and archive.md was the only one who archived it correctly.
   https://archive.md/uhiRz
   Read: "Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act or the CARES Act"
   Read: "Introduced 01/24/2019"
   Read: "This bill responds to the COVID-19 (i.e., coronavirus disease 2019) outbreak and its impact on the economy, public health, state and local governments, individuals, and businesses."
   
   So an entire year before the alleged "lab leak", so an entire year before the alleged "first case".
   
   The act that according to AssPress got signed by Trump as soon as "2 weeks to flatten the curve" started, something that is still going on to this day mind you:
   https://youtube.076.ne.jp/watch?v=flvoS9zVDr8
   
   Doesn't matter which government did what, the point is that they knew full well what they were doing, and this is going to be added into the already very tall mountain of evidence on the fact that the covAIDS doesn't exist, which will probably get "DEBOONKED" by the virology believers anyway...
   • Udon (udon@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 17:15:17 JST Udon

     in reply to
     > but also that there is no virus to begin with.
     Which part is related?
   • 寮 (ryo@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 17:48:44 JST 寮

     in reply to

     • Udon
     Since when do you plan a lab leak of a "real" virus while under development in advance, and have it all ready exactly on schedule?
     I think we both agree that the whole "natural virus that spawned out of nowhere" the propagandists originally used sounded like some weird Disney story, but the "lab leak virus" thing the propagandists switched to right after 2020 US selections sounds a lot of some weird Biohazard (or Resident Evil in your case) story.
     
     And I'm willing to change my mind on it, or at the very least give the yes-virusists the benefit of the doubt, but show me actual scientific evidene and hard proof of a live isolate, which even the WHO, CDC, and the other institutions to this day claim not to have.
     Because if you can't prove its existance, it just doesn't exist, this used to be common sense prior to November 2016, then they slandered Russia for 4 years only to then turn out that whatever they said was not true, and that there was no evidence to back up their slandering.
   • Udon (udon@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 18:46:52 JST Udon

     in reply to
     > And I'm willing to change my mind on it, or at the very least give the yes-virusists the benefit of the doubt, but show me actual scientific evidene and hard proof of a live isolate, which even the WHO, CDC, and the other institutions to this day claim not to have.
     
     > Because if you can't prove its existance, it just doesn't exist, this used to be common sense prior to November 2016, then they slandered Russia for 4 years only to then turn out that whatever they said was not true, and that there was no evidence to back up their slandering.
     
     I think I linked this before as an reply.
     
     https://web.archive.org/web/20221126160225/https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/if-viruses-dont-exist-then-how-can
     
     --
     "Claiming isolation is required to prove viruses exist is like saying the Higgs Boson doesn’t exist because you can’t isolate it. Yet all the theory and the observations are consistent with the Higgs Boson. It took 40 years to “prove” it exists."
     
     "It’s like saying gravity doesn’t exist because you cannot isolate it."
     
     "Creating an experiment that is hard to pull off technically is not proof of non-existence. It is simply proof that some things are harder to do than other things. If I cut up a newspaper into tiny pieces the size of a letter and then ask you to prove that a newspaper existed by re-assembling the pieces, that would be extremely difficult to accomplish, but it doesn’t prove that the newspaper that was torn up never existed."
     --
     
     I hope it is not their excuse but I have heard it's been impossible to extract pure substances. Or how about this?
     https://web.archive.org/web/20220117032232/https://www.atcc.org/products/vr-1881
     
     I think it'd be logically funny if you think they have been doing nothing for real in the field and in the labs and just trick people to buy their products. No-virus supporters use "toxins" to refer the "virus". Maybe it's just "toxins"? So the problem is we want the name "toxin-ology" rather than "virology"? The whole thing looks more like about semantics to me.
     
     All the things are about modeling of concepts, just like in the past people probably use god to model the phenomena they see, though I'm not sure whether "toxins" or "virus" describe certain phenomena better here.
     
     I think the gravity argument summaries the isolation thing. Probably similarly they will say "gravity" is not real because we can't isolate gravity, so it doesn't exist. But what is that "something"? There is never a "real" truth because we are constrained to our understanding and skills, but there can be a model that currently describe something the best. The no-virus supporters have to give a better explanation, otherwise it would be at best just about semantics.
   • 寮 (ryo@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 19:22:58 JST 寮

     in reply to

     • Udon
     I know you linked to other sources before, but not these actually.
     The 2nd link doesn't say much other than being able to buy something?
     But skimming through the 1st link reveals lots of information and good points, so I'll read through that over the weekend.
   • Udon (udon@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 19:30:01 JST Udon

     in reply to
     > The 2nd link doesn't say much other than being able to buy something?
     Yes.
   • 寮 (ryo@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 19:46:16 JST 寮

     in reply to

     • Udon
     Actually, I went ahead and read it now.
     Well, until the sentence "They want you to believe the unique gene sequences come from 5G or soda. It’s unbelievable that people actually take them seriously.".
     
     I already knew the whole 5G thing is bullshit, simply because they said the same thing about 4G 10 years ago, and 3G 20 years ago.
     As for soda, never heard of that part before at all.
     I can't move this to anywhere, simply because the link between viruses, 5G, and soda is just bullshit from the get go.
     
     Pretty legit points no how the "no-virus" camp refuses to take his challenge to prove their statement seriously, it makes sense to not take the risk if you can't prove your point.
     So I can move this part up to the "yes-virus" camp.
     
     However, on the other hand, the "They can’t even explain even a simple case where a family member gets COVID and then, all of a sudden, other people in the same household get the same illness." part is something I've never actually seen happening.
     What I did see rather is that the lethally injected getting extremely sick whereas pure bloods that happen to be right in front of them don't even get a single symptom.
     
     Hell, this even happened right before New Year holidays where I was in the same room as the boss of the company I'm doing a project for, he got incredibly sick, but had no effect on me.
     He's double jabbed, I didn't even get a "test" which isn't a test.
     Some other guy who's triple jabbed and only shows up once a week got sick, still no effect on me.
     So I'll move this part more towards the middle, but still within the "no-virus" camp, simply because it doesn't prove the "yes-virus" camp right.
     
     I'll read the rest in a moment to see to what conclusion I can come.
   • Udon (udon@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 20:19:38 JST Udon

     in reply to
     > So I can move this part up to the "yes-virus" camp.
     
     I don't think you understand the problem. I think I can assume we all know there is "something" causing illness? But what does this yes/no-virus war changes at all? What if we really debunked that "virus" does not exist in any means? Look at the LGBT people that got mad because someone used the wrong pronoun, but the genitals can describe the gender better objectively. The yes/no-virus is just like them.
     
     If it's not obvious enough: We need to ask what the students and the researches have been studying in the field. Or is it a super psyop like what the flat-earthers refer how they hide the fact that the Earth is a disc?
     
     It's good to challenge mainstream conversations, but then we can't accept everything just because it's "not mainstream".
     
     > However, on the other hand, the "They can’t even explain even a simple case where a family member gets COVID and then, all of a sudden, other people in the same household get the same illness." part is something I've never actually seen happening.
     >What I did see rather is that the lethally injected getting extremely sick whereas pure bloods that happen to be right in front of them don't even get a single symptom.
     
     You can assume I am either lying or mass-poisoned by my government through food or water but I got sick too and positive with the rapid test (I also tested the kit as a control environment to see whether the kit is a fearmongering tool). I got the fever recovered in 2 or 3 days, and about another 5 or 6 days to fully recovered. I didn't need to take any medicine to recover, but I during the fever I can't do anything but lying in my bed. The symptoms are exactly the same as a cold, but a lot more severe. I am not vaxxed.
   • 寮 (ryo@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 20:33:37 JST 寮

     in reply to

     • Udon
     For the remainder of the article I'll categorize as:
     Yes camp = yes-virus people are right.
     No camp = no-virus people are right.
     Middle camp = both sides have a point.
     Mystery camp = can't confirm the claims, so neither side gets a point.
     Accusation = just an accusation to make no-virus people look stupid with no evidence or receipts to back it up.
     
     > Instead, they are misled into thinking that because they claim that “no virus particle has been isolated” based on the dictionary definition of isolation (instead of the virology definition), that that is proof that viruses don’t exist.
     
     Not really sure on the terminology, and no further explanation is provided.
     So remains no camp until an explanation can be provided.
     No camp.
     
     > Further, they require that the isolated particles are used to infect “test subjects” which I assume are lab animals. But it’s a human virus. So why are we testing it on lab animals? We won’t be able to get an IRB to approve infecting humans. And infecting humans is hard and would require a huge quantity of virions to achieve success; very likely more virions that can be successfully harvested and preserved for the experiment.
     
     It doesn't prove any side right or wrong, but I'd say benefit of the doubt at best.
     Middle camp.
     
     > Even worse, they require each test subject to have identical sickness. Virology requires no such thing. My wife and I are completely different. We have different immune systems. I’m male, she’s female. We have different immune histories. We have different health issues. She got COVID first and lost her taste. I picked it up from her, and didn’t lose my taste. So this proves virology doesn’t exist?!?!
     
     Doesn't prove the yes camp right, but has a good point.
     No camp.
     
     > And finally, the next impossible challenge. The virus isolated from test subjects must be identical to the original particles. I can guarantee you this is never true. This virus mutates in everyone and everyone gets many mutations. If virus in=virus out as they claim, there wouldn’t be any variants at all.
     
     I can't remember this to even be claimed by anyone to begin with.
     Neither the yes-virusers nor the no-virusers made the everyone is equal or different claim from all I know.
     Mystery camp.
     
     > So their challenge is based on a fairy tale world that virology works they way they think it does. They don’t understand virology, so they make these rookie errors.
     > Did you notice that they have no test whatsoever to validate that their replacement hypothesis is true? Whoops! A slight oversight!
     > The test for their hypothesis is simple: fit the observations over the last 100 years better than the current hypothesis.
     > They can’t do this at all.
     
     Could you though? (And by you I of course mean the writer of the article.)
     The only reasonble thing I've seen thus far as the monetary part, of which no receipts even exist.
     Accusation.
     
     > They want you to cast aside 100+ years of scientific studies, all of which are consistent with the “virus theory” because they can’t find an experiment which meets their requirements.
     
     Show me your experiment then.
     I already did long ago when I pointed out that just blowing my nose until my throat is cleared immediately cured me, which only proves the "detox" """theory""" to be correct.
     
     > Science doesn’t work that way. Science is a “best fit” of a hypothesis to data.
     
     yup.
     
     I'll skip the rest of the "bottom line" part simply because it's just silly.
     
     > Nobody does the isolation work today because nobody needs an “isolated virus” to develop assays.
     
     "Nobody does the calculation work today because nobody needs simple mathematics to develop X/Y/Z co-ordinates in 3D video games."
     
     Sorry, but I'm not convinced.
     It's all writing and making a fool of his opposition, and no actual evidence of people not challenging his theory, nor any actual evidence of the no-virus camp to be wrong.
     The Mark Twain quote works in both directions, same can be said to the yes-virus camp.
     
     I was going to give him the benefit of the doubt at first on the livestream debate part, but all he showed is people not responding to him.
     To me it doesn't necessarily prove them being shy.
     But he is right on 5G, junk food, and covAIDS relation being false, but that's because it was a counter-propaganda attempt by the same glowies who created the "virus will kill us all" propaganda.
     
     The other thing he doesn't seem to answer is why they launch a major scamdemic once every 10 years?
     And how comes they've already planned the next one for 2029?
   • 寮 (ryo@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 20:42:18 JST 寮

     in reply to

     • Udon
     > I don't think you understand the problem.
     
     Either you or me, or both.
     
     > I think I can assume we all know there is "something" causing illness?
     
     yup.
     
     > But what does this yes/no-virus war changes at all?
     
     Dunno, you started this debate.
     
     > What if we really debunked that "virus" does not exist in any means?
     
     ??
     
     > Look at the LGBT people that got mad because someone used the wrong pronoun, but the genitals can describe the gender better objectively. The yes/no-virus is just like them.
     
     Not sure how that relates to anything.
     
     > It's good to challenge mainstream conversations, but then we can't accept everything just because it's "not mainstream".
     
     Which is not what I was implying.
     
     > You can assume I am either lying or mass-poisoned by my government through food or water
     
     I didn't make this ASSumption.
     
     > but I got sick too and positive with the rapid test
     
     It's possible, I heard of people getting sick and positive, sick and negative, not sick and positive, and not sick and negative, so it's saying nothing.
   • Udon (udon@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 21:00:45 JST Udon

     in reply to
     > Dunno, you started this debate.
     
     "but also that there is no virus to begin with."
     
     ??
     
     Since you mention that a lot, I got curious.
     
     > ??
     
     What difference does it make on whether "virus" is real or not?
     
     I think denying the virology field is even more harmful because that means they can do whatever they want in the labs without any responsibilities, since virus never exists.
     
     > Not sure how that relates to anything.
     
     Semantics... The thing around LGBT is about calling "he/she/they" and the thing here is about naming "toxin/virus".
     
     > I didn't make this ASSumption.
     
     Yes. I said "you can make" not "you made". I was considering other possibilities.
     
     > It's possible, I heard of people getting sick and positive, sick and negative, not sick and positive, and not sick and negative, so it's saying nothing.
     
     Yes there are false positives/negatives, and those from PCR that can be faked (because who knows they are being honest). But for rapid kits they are done by myself. If they have faked it then they should give positives in a control environment. There could be false positives/negatives, but I did not find any clues that can tell that. Or maybe I didn't do enough tests.
   • Udon (udon@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 21:04:24 JST Udon

     in reply to

     • Udon
     http://apocalypticyoga.wikidot.com/virus-pushers-against-clotshots
     
     And this is what the "war on virus" brings.
   • 寮 (ryo@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 21:23:06 JST 寮

     in reply to

     • Udon
     > What difference does it make on whether "virus" is real or not?
     
     I'm bringing up the lack of existance of viruses even fewer times than the mainstream media and alternative media bring up the presense of it.
     The only reason why I bring it up more than necessary is because I'm rather tired of it all, we (we as in the entire civilization of the earth) used to start and stop scamdemics, but for whatever reason now we seemingly only know how to start them and not stop them.
     
     It's just that every time I say "the fake virus that doesn't exist", you come up with a counter agrument, which is fine, but every single time?
     So please, don't tell me that I'm the one who starts this war!
     I'd prefer to end that "war" (if you can even call it a war) if anything.
     I don't mind if you believe it exists or not, worse is that there are people out there who are still outright afraid of it, which is what ultimately keeps this bullshit going.
     
     > Semantics... The thing around LGBT is about calling "he/she/they" and the thing here is about naming "toxin/virus".
     
     That's perhaps just some people, though I don't know of any of them.
     I certainly know people in the flat earth vs round earth debate who get offended by words like "planet" or "globe", so I can see where you're coming from.
     But in the yes-virus vs no-virus debate I've never seen any of that.
     Or it's just me who missed it because I don't rely on 3rd party (mis)information from any side.
     I used to, but I snapped out of it long ago.
   • 寮 (ryo@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 21:25:41 JST 寮

     in reply to
     Or the Qanon larpers who get so offended whenever their ideology got challenged.
     I've even seen them mass-blocking and mass-attacking a single Shitter account en mass just like how the woke would do against their opponents.
     
     I had that in mind, but forgot to add, so here you go.
   • 寮 (ryo@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 21:52:57 JST 寮

     in reply to

     • Udon
     In response to that "Virus Pushers Against Clotshots" link, to me it shows how insane people can be.
     Sure, I disagree with the yes-virus camp, but I wouldn't make a whole wall of shame out of them.
     What makes things even more cringe is the "The virus issue doesn't matter / Silent / non-committal" list, like if you MUST pick a side even if you don't want to, which is pretty similar to the Ukraina vs Roshan bullcrap; pick a side or else you're by default in Team Roshan.
     And the removal list is also rather infuriating, it's basically like "good to see new allies, but we'll continue to shame them anyway".
     
     Confirms even more to me how to Americans politics is what soccer/football is to Europeans.
     
     Though the big difference here is, if the yes-virus camp would have made this list, I would condemn them equally as the no-virus camp.
     Likewise in the case of Ukraina vs Roshan, if the default would have been Team Ukraina if you refuse to pick a side, I'd condemn them just as much.
     
     So rating the list it's either of the 3 options:
     1. An infiltrator to make the side they claim to represent look stupid.
     2. Some idiot who takes this debate way too seriously.
     3. Both at the same time.
   • Udon (udon@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 22:40:29 JST Udon

     in reply to
     > I'm bringing up the lack of existance of viruses even fewer times than the mainstream media and alternative media bring up the presense of it. The only reason why I bring it up more than necessary is because I'm rather tired of it all, we (we as in the entire civilization of the earth) used to start and stop scamdemics, but for whatever reason now we seemingly only know how to start them and not stop them. It's just that every time I say "the fake virus that doesn't exist", you come up with a counter agrument, which is fine, but every single time? So please, don't tell me that I'm the one who starts this war! I'd prefer to end that "war" (if you can even call it a war) if anything.
     
     Since it is a rare theory and you seem confident (it's like some sacred light in the dark), I am very curious on this topic, but you never give (convincing) explanations to support the no-virus theory, other than "it can't be isolated so it doesn't exist", yet we agreed there is "something", just that we don't like how it is named, or how it is used for fearmongering (which I think is a better point, rather than whether virus exists or not). But I will refrain from asking it again after this post.
     
     If you feel tried of that, I think we should stop circling around, and we don't need to read long and boring papers for this: If virus are not real then what are they doing in the lab and the whole field? Are the virus samples fake?
     
     > I don't mind if you believe it exists or not, worse is that there are people out there who are still outright afraid of it, which is what ultimately keeps this bullshit going.
     
     If you simply want to stop this bullshit going then I suggest you shouldn't stick to the "no-virus". This path requires a lot of researches and effort to convince others. I already asked some simple questions above, and if there's no convincing answer then the argument would be invalid, which will make you look bad (and against your goal), unless you just want to enjoy the feel being an anti-mainstream hero. There are just better arguments against scamdemics than the "no-virus".
     
     Simply, it is not goodness if we need to be punished when we reject their goodness. We don't know what really is inside their goodness. For example, someone can drop some poison in a cup of water, but we can't tell whether it's really a drinkable water or not, and they proof it's safe to drink because the fact water is safe to drink. If anything goes wrong, we ourselves are going to take the risk and the effect can be permanent. If people are that "stupid" to reject the goodness then it is their right, and it is good to purge stupid people.
     
     It's also surreal to think that those in power are there to serve the underlings.
     
     Some good quotes:
     
     "Imagine a vaccine so safe you have to be threatened to take it -- for a disease so deadly you have to be tested to know you have it!!"
     
     "COVID vaccine mandates are necessary because the protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn't protect the protected."
   • Terminal Autism (terminalautism@social.076.moe)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jan-2023 11:04:39 JST Terminal Autism

     in reply to
     Hadn't seen that video, but I knew about Lockstep, and I knew about Event 201, and that the shots were also ready in advance, and that Fauci and others talked about "blowing the system up" with an emergency ( https://www.bitchute.com/video/XNRY9xEgkWgo/ , again, just stream it with mpv, everyone should have a key binding to stream from their clipboard and/or primary selection) in order to be able to ignore restrictions and regulations on what big pharma can do, and that he "predicted" that this would happen during the Trump presidency ( https://yewtu.be/watch?v=puqaaeLnEww ). Discussions about viruses aren't even relevant, it's such a fucking obvious fraud, it was obviously intentional and planned regardless. If people really got sick with something new at all, they got sick because they were intentionally poisoned, maybe even before the shots, but definitely when they took them.
     
     That was already enough, but that's even more proof stacked on top of it for the sheep to disappointingly ignore as they fall for the next one. And that's not to speak of all the shit that they have been talking about doing (in their books) for literally over a century, that has all been happening nonstop over the last few years. They are very blatant, just look at Klaus Schwab, he basically admits everything openly and nothing happens. And of course, all the evil shit that the Rockefellers have been involved in (pretty much everything).
     
     'David Rockefeller wrote in his 2002 memoirs: “Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure — one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”'
     
     Also, of course, this gem:
     https://odysee.com/@Anon:96/DavidRockefeller:e
     That of course, did not get people to not trust the TV anymore, because they haven't seen it, because they're busy watching TV all day. Now their pocket TVs too.