@sparky @Hoss It’s a hard dynamic because I think dad does need to be the disciplinary backstop. Mom’s the advocate, the public defender to help reign him in if he gets too grumpy. I think I’m gonna do labor instead of smacking, for my kids. The pain is useful only in tiny portions, more a demonstration of force than anything - but knowing you got 10 hours of digging out fenceposts and rebuilding the back 100 will teach a lesson for sure