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1. Avery Prometheus Rosen (prometheus@dice.camp)'s status on Thursday, 16-Feb-2023 08:38:43 JST Avery Prometheus Rosen

   How do you know you have failed utterly as at #design and need to reconsider your choices?

   • Adrian Cochrane (alcinnz@floss.social)'s status on Thursday, 16-Feb-2023 09:46:28 JST Adrian Cochrane

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     • R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

     @RL_Dane @prometheus Yeah, reminds me of the aversion to tactile buttons many modern devices seem to have... Touchscreens are cool aparantly!

   • R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 16-Feb-2023 09:46:29 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

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     • Adrian Cochrane

     @prometheus

     Good grief.

     Someone thought they were being über-modern, didn't they?

     @alcinnz

     #design

   • R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 16-Feb-2023 09:59:27 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

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     • Adrian Cochrane

     @alcinnz @prometheus

     Man, I SO miss buttons now.

     I turned on my grandmother's old flip phone a few months back and got hit with a wave of -- not nostalgia, but realizing how much better even a stupid T9 keyboard is to a touchscreen-only device.

     Adrian Cochrane repeated this.
   • Avery Prometheus Rosen (prometheus@dice.camp)'s status on Thursday, 16-Feb-2023 15:43:25 JST Avery Prometheus Rosen

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     • Adrian Cochrane
     • R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

     @alcinnz @RL_Dane Also borders around software buttons, who needs those?

     Adrian Cochrane repeated this.
   • LisPi (lispi314@mastodon.top)'s status on Friday, 17-Feb-2023 03:04:24 JST LisPi

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     • Adrian Cochrane
     • R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

     @alcinnz @RL_Dane @prometheus They do have some interesting advantages for sealed units.

     But those advantages can be replicated in larger units with tactile feedback as well, but at somewhat higher part cost (hence the rarity) and with better repairability (hence the industry entirely ignoring that).

     There were some ideas for tactile feedback in touchscreens as well but I don't think anything has materialized since.

   • Lorenzo (ranfdev@linuxrocks.online)'s status on Friday, 17-Feb-2023 06:01:44 JST Lorenzo

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     • Adrian Cochrane
     • R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

     @alcinnz @RL_Dane @prometheus and some car manufacturers now want to ditch touchscreens too! They want to make you interact with the car using AR glasses and virtual buttons.

     https://youtube.com/watch?v=5V7_e-38ZsE&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE

     Such a joke

   • R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Feb-2023 10:08:54 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

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     • Adrian Cochrane

     @prometheus

     Right! Just tap around. It's like an Easter egg hunt! :blobfoxangrylaugh:

     @alcinnz

   • Eric Shields | 🅜assTransitKrow (masstransitkrow@federation.ninetiesmysteri.es)'s status on Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 06:42:51 JST Eric Shields | 🅜assTransitKrow

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     • R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:
     • Nina Roussakoff
     @RL_Dane @steamgirl have you heard of the FXTEC phone? More recent if you're looking for a QWERTY replacement.
   • R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 06:42:52 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

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     • Nina Roussakoff

     @steamgirl

     I never had a qwerty phone. Was it really that much better than modern touchscreen keyboards?

   • Nina Roussakoff (steamgirl@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 06:42:57 JST Nina Roussakoff

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     • R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

     @RL_Dane Oh wow you've just reminded me of my old phone with the slide keyboard. I think it was a samsung galaxy something like this. My favourite phone I ever had. I had it for years. Was sad to upgrade it when it got too old. 😔

   • Josh (krnlg@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 20-Feb-2023 03:58:49 JST Josh

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     • Adrian Cochrane
     • R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

     @RL_Dane @alcinnz @prometheus It might just be nostalgia but while my touchscreen keyboard input kinda feels faster, it also feels like i have to go back and correct all the time which makes it frustrating. I got pretty fast with my old T9 phones, it wasnt a bad system really! Problem with touchscreens is if you aren't looking directly at the keyboard you end up drifting out of position and making mistakes...

   • Chris (cmw@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 01:56:43 JST Chris

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     • Aral Balkan
     • Matthew Skelton

     @prometheus @matthewskelton I think that's a brilliant example of what @aral describes as "decoration, not design".

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 01:56:43 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Chris
     • Matthew Skelton

     @cmw @prometheus @matthewskelton Wouldn’t even go that far… fails at basic affordances :)