My computer continues to be a crashing mess :(
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Tuesday, 30-Jan-2024 08:57:02 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ -
Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Tuesday, 30-Jan-2024 09:05:01 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ I had two temperature monitoring programs opened when it crashed. Nothing was over 46°C
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 06:26:03 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ I crashed it again by, as far as I can tell, making a noise that was too loud.
Great, now my computer is misophonic too
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Dan 🔓:afloppy::donor: (sycophantic@infosec.exchange)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 06:27:53 JST Dan 🔓:afloppy::donor: @foone eep ram? bad power?
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 06:27:53 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ @sycophantic tested and replaced both when this problem started!
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Wednesday, 31-Jan-2024 08:24:30 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ And again. No loud sound, no whacking it around (i tried that: it didn't crash), it just randomly crashed again. Temperatures were fine.
I hate computers
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 01:17:24 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ @SvenGeier yes. And bought new memory.
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Σ(i³) = (Σi)² (svengeier@mathstodon.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 01:17:25 JST Σ(i³) = (Σi)² @foone I'm assuming you've tried the obvious (run with a different, known good memory stick)?
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 04:01:21 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ I yanked my GPU to see if I could get it to crash without it, and it hasn't crashed yet but I've had some weird functionality. like, hashcat is refusing to run? and my game crashed twice
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 04:08:06 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ I don't know if it's crashing because there's some RAM/CPU/mobo problem, or if it just really doesn't like the idea of running on an intel GPU
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 04:15:00 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ @gsuberland memtest did return clean, yeah. and I changed some RAM just to make sure, last time
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Graham Sutherland / Polynomial (gsuberland@chaos.social)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 04:15:01 JST Graham Sutherland / Polynomial @foone I really don't think it's thermals. Sounds like a bad motherboard or PSU. Does memtest return clean?
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 04:17:20 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ @gsuberland oh and I replaced PSU because I didn't trust it either
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 04:18:59 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ @gsuberland I've had it for too long to RMA, and don't have 400$ to buy a new motherboard at the moment. That's why I've been trying everything else.
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Graham Sutherland / Polynomial (gsuberland@chaos.social)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 04:19:01 JST Graham Sutherland / Polynomial @foone (honestly at this point I'd just RMA the board given that you've tried two lots of RAM and CPU failures are super rare)
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I̵E̶E̸E̵ ̷1̵1̸4̴9̴.̷1̷ (pibble@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 05:07:26 JST I̵E̶E̸E̵ ̷1̵1̸4̴9̴.̷1̷ @gsuberland @foone board/bios revision for board are my bets.
Its funny because I literally troubleshoot issues like this on almost a daily basis for myself and others. :/
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 05:07:26 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ @Pibble @gsuberland I did a BIOS update earlier in this saga, it maybe helped a little bit but I'm definitely on the latest revision now
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Graham Sutherland / Polynomial (gsuberland@chaos.social)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 05:07:28 JST Graham Sutherland / Polynomial @foone honestly the board is a really common culprit for this kind of random crash, and it sounds like you've already eliminated everything else. I know it's annoying to RMA but right now it's by far the most likely culprit.
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 05:38:23 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ weird. prime95 stress test has bumped my system temp up to 81C but it still hasn't crashed. Maybe this is just a GPU problem?
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Timo the timo (timotimo@peoplemaking.games)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 06:44:58 JST Timo the timo @foone holy shit i would have expected the system to absolutely crash if you just yank the GPU but i guess windows has that "your video driver crashed so we restarted it" feature nowadays? actually, i would have expected the gpu to take damage from that but maybe i don't give pci enough credit
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 06:44:58 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ @timotimo I mean I pulled out the GPU while it was powered down :)
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 06:46:48 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ @bobbydigitales Nope, no crash logs. as far as windows can tell, the system just stops running. full hardware lockup
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Robert Anderberg 🕹️ (bobbydigitales@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 06:46:49 JST Robert Anderberg 🕹️ @foone https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1321029/how-do-i-analyse-a-bsod-and-the-error-information-it-will-provide-me/1321103#1321103
Sorry if I'm being unhelpful!
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Robert Anderberg 🕹️ (bobbydigitales@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 06:46:50 JST Robert Anderberg 🕹️ @foone Are there any windows crashdumps you can inspect in windbg to find the offending driver/hardware?
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 08:23:37 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ I finally crashed it! This is great, because it means the problem is NOT my GPU.
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 08:53:24 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ and I think it has decided to not boot anymore.
hrmm.
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 08:55:16 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ @confusionunknown nope. as far as windows can tell, it died like I yanked the power cord
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ConfusionUnknown (confusionunknown@bitbang.social)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 08:55:17 JST ConfusionUnknown @foone Is there anything insightful in the windows event viewer? (i think that's what it's called, I dont use windows). IIRC it logs shutdown and BSOD events, so there might be something of use in there.
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ConfusionUnknown (confusionunknown@bitbang.social)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 09:24:13 JST ConfusionUnknown @foone hmm, power supply maybe? unhappy power supply at a bad moment could make windows unbootable (doing one of it's random background thingsTM)
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 09:24:13 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ @confusionunknown just replaced the power supply in december!
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 09:29:15 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ @confusionunknown no, it's not posting. it's getting as far as the POST-code saying that it's starting setup, but it never goes further.
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 10:16:04 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ @indigoparadox Bought a brand new PSU last month, so I don't think it's the power.
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Gorgeous na Shock! (indigoparadox@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 10:16:05 JST Gorgeous na Shock! @foone I feel like this might be a power issue. If it happens more often when a power-sucking component is present, and less often but still happens when that component is removed, then power is a likely suspect. And power supplies are frequent culprits (my biased opinion). And good ones can just go bad.
My Dolch is having a similar issue when the screen is attached.
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 10:21:24 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ @indigoparadox no, I've been having this problem off and on for like 4 months now
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Gorgeous na Shock! (indigoparadox@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 01-Feb-2024 10:21:25 JST Gorgeous na Shock! @foone Was that before the issues started?
All right, I'm convinced. It's *definitely* the power supply!
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 09:12:16 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ okay got some money to get a new motherboard, CPU, and CPU fan. It's finally all put together: There was some issues with the RAM, it didn't want to boot with all 64gb of my RAM installed, but I think I've fixed that. I think it was trying to overclock it a bit too much and failing the training.
start the timer until this shit starts crashing again. I'm gonna launch like 4 3D games, hashcat, prime95, and encode some videos. plus a VM or eight
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 18:20:53 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ well, it didn't crash after running the games for 9 hours.
also hashcat's ETA goes down from 3 days to 18 hours if you turn off the games
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Monday, 05-Feb-2024 05:27:22 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ I also put a heatsink on my 5.25" floppy drive. Just in case
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Monday, 05-Feb-2024 06:06:31 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ @RueNahcMohr I've got a 1541 that has a whole ATX power supply duct-taped to it, because the internal PSU failed!
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Rue Mohr (ruenahcmohr@infosec.exchange)'s status on Monday, 05-Feb-2024 06:06:32 JST Rue Mohr @foone But will it ever be a supercharged 1541?
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 04:38:32 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ hashcat finished examining the 8-character NTLM keyspace: no crashing!
that's a great sign.so I'm gonna provisionally say it was my motherboard, given how unlikely it would be for my CPU to have gone bad
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 04:53:08 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ the new motherboard has fewer internal USB headers so I wasn't able to directly connect my floppy drives.
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 05:08:21 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ it's not a fully real USB floppy drive, it's just a greaseweazle attached to a USB-C port.
I'm still gonna make a USB-C floppy drive one of these days. Give me time.
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 05:17:14 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ @simonzerafa four.
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Simon Zerafa (simonzerafa@infosec.exchange)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 05:17:15 JST Simon Zerafa Do you have 2 or 4 DIMMs installed? 🤔🤷♂️
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 05:22:13 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ I was looking up chips yesterday to see how hard it would be to build a thunderbolt to 82072 bridge
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 05:27:01 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ @simonzerafa nah, DDR4
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Simon Zerafa (simonzerafa@infosec.exchange)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 05:27:02 JST Simon Zerafa DDR5? 😣
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 05:41:05 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ @keen456 I've got a 3.5" and 5.25" drive plugged into a Greaseweazle, which is then plugged into the USB of the motherboard:
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Steve Zakulec (keen456@infosec.exchange)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 05:41:06 JST Steve Zakulec @foone Can you tell us more about how the floppy drive is presented, and how you use it in practice? Would love to set something like that up.
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🇺🇦 haxadecimal (brouhaha@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 05:48:55 JST 🇺🇦 haxadecimal @foone The main problem with interfacing an 8272/uPD765 style floppy controller to anything newer than ISA is that normal drivers for those require that they be wired to the legacy 8237 DMA controller. Even if modern x86 boxes have an equivalent to the 8237, e.g. in the "south bridge", the appropriate DMA signals don't exist on PCIe, or even PCI.
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 05:48:55 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ @brouhaha yeah. I was thinking of putting a DMA controller (or a microcontroller pretending to be one) on the thunderbolt itself, but it wouldn't give me full legacy compatibility, because of the damn DMA
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:01:53 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ @green I think what I did was just do "time dd if=/dev/sdX of=floppy.img" and play with block sizes until I found the fastest one.
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a.k.a. Odie (green@forgi.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:01:58 JST a.k.a. Odie @foone speaking of USB floppy drives, I happen to have a yd-8u14 and wanted to know if there's a meaningful way to gather data on transfer speeds to add to what you did a couple years ago?
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ROTOPE~1 :yell: (rotopenguin@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:16:35 JST ROTOPE~1 :yell: @foone ideally, it'll pretend to be a single-sided drive, but instead of flipping the disk you flip the cable.
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:16:35 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ @rotopenguin now that's an idea
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Steve Zakulec (keen456@infosec.exchange)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:45:18 JST Steve Zakulec @foone I had a ton of trouble finding the right kind of power cable/supply to hook up the 5.25- what are you using? Thanks!
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Foone🏳️⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Feb-2024 06:45:18 JST Foone🏳️⚧️ @keen456 I'm just using a modular PSU which has the right molex adapter the drive needs.
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