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1. Kirino Kousaka (kirino@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 11:56:56 JST Kirino Kousaka

   When I say I hate how everything is political, it’s not because I think older things weren’t political, it’s because they were intelligently crafted and political.

   Politics was woven into the story seamlessly, in a non-exaggerated, non-vitriolic way. It allowed you to see the opinion of the work (not necessarily the author) and also provided characters who had other beliefs (who were also not treated with contempt).

   I will always prefer the subtly of subtext - such as what you will find in Star Trek - over the hit-you-over-the-head methods of modern works.

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 11:56:56 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Kirino I haven't seen much of star trek but it's hard to say it was subtle in its arrogant end-of-history utopian progressivism

   • PunishedD (punishedd@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 12:04:48 JST PunishedD

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     • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Kirino Next gen did it better. The original series was straight camp a lot of times
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 12:04:48 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • PunishedD

     @PunishedD @Kirino People say the past media was better and more subtle a lot....but every time I'm hanging at grandma's catching tidbits of 60's television I'm shocked at how progressive it is.

     Most of the time we just didn't notice the preachiness, we had a kind of "oh well I"m sure there're some writers pushing my ideology too"

   • Kirino Kousaka (kirino@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 12:12:30 JST Kirino Kousaka

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     • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks
     • PunishedD

     TOS wasn’t really politics, more philosophy most of the time (from what I can recall)

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 12:12:30 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • PunishedD

     @Kirino @PunishedD I've never watched it so I can't tell you much more than what I've picked up from osmosis. I never liked it, star trek was always...well the term "midwit" wasn't around as a kit but it had the contaminated stink of that cocky, selfsaid "smartest kid in class". It thought it was much more thoughtful and classy than it was, and there wasn't much to enjoy from my POV. The ships were ugly, the lasers were gay, and the storylines were boring riffs on whatever political topic the LA denizens held at top of mind.

     "oooh the frisbee ship is going to head to a thinly veiled "cortholic/proitegstant" planet to broker peace between the freckled, red haired "OORISH" and the scriveny, fish eyed BOORTISH! This is a great episode!!!"