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1. fat ugly creepy angry retarded louser (professionalbigot69@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 22:31:31 JST fat ugly creepy angry retarded louser
   i don't think there's a single person in my town under 50 that knows how to work leather or metal or wood
   • Griffith (griffith@5dollah.click)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 22:31:30 JST Griffith

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     @professionalbigot69 apprentices get paid the same as burger flippers. “In ten years you’ll make 60k after you buy your own equipment.”
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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 22:32:23 JST Machismo

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     @Griffith @professionalbigot69 But it's much better to be practicing building things than to know how to take stuff from a freezer to a grill to a bun.
   • Griffith (griffith@5dollah.click)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 22:44:12 JST Griffith

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     @Zerglingman @professionalbigot69 have you done trades?
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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 22:44:59 JST Machismo

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     @Griffith @professionalbigot69 Depends if you count furniture delivery and car repairs. I don't.
   • Griffith (griffith@5dollah.click)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 22:51:05 JST Griffith

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     @Zerglingman @professionalbigot69 nah.
     I can see some merit to it. I think a lot of the benefit of trades comes from liking the work, and having a higher ceiling than fast food. There are small million-dollar construction companies, but you have to enter with a plan to open your own company and be successful, and that’s not easy, not everyone does it, it’s a struggle, and the conditions can be really rough the whole way through, and you just don’t make good money until you’re in the top.
     It’s the same as fast food to an extent, you can be a burger flipper at twenty and own a franchise and be the regional manager at 60, but the pay will suck until then, and is that really the track you want to be on? People should think about that a lot. You can make money, eventually, if you grind for decades, but where do you want to end up, and how do you want to get there?
     I want nothing to do with trades tbh.
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   • veff :trash: (veff@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 23:07:21 JST veff :trash:

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     @Griffith @Zerglingman @professionalbigot69 One major problem with “trades” is how totally ill-defined it is. Guys wanting to skip collage debt will instead go into the same handful of trades (plumbing, electricians, welders, etc.) when there’s actually huge areas relatively untouched.

     Don’t like specializing? You can even double or triple up on smaller things like machine operation, elevator repairs, or even fire extinguishing inspection, and all these will give you a hedge against burger flipping without wasting your time or efforts.

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   • fat ugly creepy angry retarded louser (professionalbigot69@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 23:07:52 JST fat ugly creepy angry retarded louser

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     we could use a lot more residential building inspectors, honestly
     you would not BELIEVE how fucked some apartments are and landlords just refuse to address the issues
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   • Griffith (griffith@5dollah.click)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 23:10:16 JST Griffith

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     @veff @Zerglingman @professionalbigot69 Yeah the game with trades is building up skills and marketing them, then in the long run organizing other peoples skills and essentially becoming a businessman.
     Depending on the area there can be a lot of money but some trades pay more than others (a lot more) and it can be a regional thing and it’s actually a lot more complicated than vocational school-60k a year to fix pipes.
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   • Poast Oak (poastoak@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 23:22:20 JST Poast Oak

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     @Griffith @Zerglingman @professionalbigot69 The problem with the vast majority of white collar """knowledge work""" is that much of it isn't productive work at all, and a lot of it is unskilled too. The only reason the procurement work I used to do isn't done by dudes with high school diplomas for $40k a year is because it's been cartelized. The government aids in establishing these white colar cartels because it keeps the university-debt complex afloat, and as soon as that is no longer the case the white collar office type is going to be unemployable.
     
     It already happens on a micro-level every time we have a financial crisis and the do-nothing firms that employ these guys have to trim the fat or go out of business.
   • veff :trash: (veff@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 13-Nov-2023 23:34:44 JST veff :trash:

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     @Griffith @Zerglingman @professionalbigot69 Another thing to keep in mind: Knowing how to do things yourself allows you to sound the alarm on lying tradesmen. Nobody likes being gypped on their car. Even if I don’t get gypped, I’m not willing to put my hard earned money on jorge the illegal.

     I agree with woggy’s idea of learning the stuff, so that you can hand that knowledge down to drifting White guys who can’t get ahead conventionally. That’s my intention: to be the boomer mentor that the boomers never were.

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