@milk Those women were dressed inappropriately for church though
And while the behaviour should be called out someone sinning needs to stop putting their entire faith into question all together in right wing spheres unless they are spreading hearsy and false teaching so far removed from the bible with full confidence Christians fall back into sin Christians can have vices Christians can have addictions Christians can have degenerate pasts and some undisciplined Christians can even have degenerate presents And they need correction, prayers and accountability from some sort of church authority, not to be pushed out of the faith unless they are genuinely unrepentant and subversive to others
The fact that even when we come to know Christ we still spit on His love every day is sadly human nature that requires constant maintainance. It's just more evidence of why we needed His sacrifice so much.
@TheVeryLutheranHousewife@milk I’m never quite sure how to operate. In my travels I’ve seen a lot of damage done just from congregations refusing to condemn stuff like live-in relationships before marriage. They didn’t want to chase people away, so they just tacitly accepted these pseudo-marrieds and now 2 generations on the kids see them as synonymous with actual marriage.
That’s how you get rot, when you stop openly acknowledging sin for what it is in an effort to coddle feelings and prevent awkward callouts….but the more I see, the more I realize somebody’s gotta do it. They don’t need to be chased out, but they at least need to be open and honest with themselves that they aren’t livin’ right with the Lord.
@WashedOutGundamPilot@milk It's important to call out sin and we still should, but it is not good to get accusatory in the face of every sin and suggest that they aren't "real" as a Christian because this sends a message of works based salvation and makes people feel they are too dirty for Christ, thus also leaving the church. There are ways to call out and forbid sin without taking it to extremities, most notably just pointing out how you are hurting God with your transgressions and it's not okay. There are of course genuine persistent subverives who are not behaving in good faith and those need to be stamped out more harshly and straight up excommunicated, but a pastors job is to discern who is intending to subvert and who is just a lost sheep in need of guidance, which is what makes it a very difficult job.
Confronting sin is about the delivery for the most part. One key thing to Jesus' ministry that all of us must harness in this life was the fact that He knew His audience well and spoke in parables that specifically were relevant to them. Fish for the fisherman, seed and vineyards for the farmers etc. We too must master this skill because when we don't we can unintentionally do harm to the church.
Someone made an excellent post on here about how we need to be careful of egg carton jokes in case it hurts infertile women by mistake and that's the exact type of discernment people need to have when righteously calling out sin in the congregation. There needs to be a balance between progressive tranny "churches" and legalistic churches that shut their door to anyone human and sinful.