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Maholmire (maholmire@crlf.ninja)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 17:04:48 JST Maholmire
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Are graphical interfaces on *BSD operating systems a point of concern for you at all @dcc with the amount of Linuxisms in Wayland?

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- † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 17:04:47 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:
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  @Maholmire I will never want to use wayshit, but the bsd's mostly use linux drm stack for graphics.
  
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- Maholmire (maholmire@crlf.ninja)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 17:13:21 JST Maholmire
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  The reason I ask is that while most that use *BSD will probably have some tiling window manager, GNOME's proposed removal of xorg support and how Wayland is implemented into contemporary desktop environments with the above Linuxisms. Unless maintenance of Xorg or a fork of it by the BSD people were to happen in the future, it seems very unlikely that people using those operating systems will have much in the way of variety in what to use.
  
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- † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 17:13:21 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:
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  @Maholmire Xorg is 90 % of users, nothing is going to happen.
  
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- Maholmire (maholmire@crlf.ninja)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 17:19:58 JST Maholmire
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  I've found the opposite personally. Had more consistent crashes on Wayland with KDE Plasma than I have xorg.
  
  @adiz @BrodieOnLinux @dcc
  
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- :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶 (adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 17:19:59 JST :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶
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  @Maholmire@crlf.ninja I don't really understand the Wayland vs. XOrg infighting. I understand that XOrg is older and more traditionally supported, but I've legitimately had better experiences with Wayland as far as features and things "just working" without requiring any additional setup or packages. :wayland: @BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
  
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- Maholmire (maholmire@crlf.ninja)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 17:20:00 JST Maholmire
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  Could be that @BrodieOnLinux's Wayland propaganda is getting to me. Just that the possibility really does worry me whether these projects are taking the wider scope of the FOSS community into consideration when making their decisions.
  
  While it is nice to have software being developed with Linux in mind, it isn't the only operating system out there and I feel it can be easy to lose track of that.
  
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- † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 17:21:04 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:
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  @Maholmire @BrodieOnLinux @adiz Wayland is quite bad, unsupported, and has no good wm's. Its not secure, its a frustration to use.
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- ¢нαяℓιє яσσт (charlie_root@decayable.ink)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 17:22:30 JST ¢нαяℓιє яσσт
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  Wayland is buggy on the Pinephone that's for sure.
  
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- Maholmire (maholmire@crlf.ninja)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 17:24:45 JST Maholmire
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  Not to mention that something as simple as finding out which monitor is being displayed and to redirect impute to another is unnecessarily complex.
  
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- † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 17:29:09 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:
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  @charlie_root @Maholmire @Humpleupagus @BrodieOnLinux @adiz Yep, i also had that issuse until i moved to x11 :alex_lol:
  
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- ¢нαяℓιє яσσт (charlie_root@decayable.ink)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 17:29:10 JST ¢нαяℓιє яσσт
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  @Humpleupagus @dcc @Maholmire @BrodieOnLinux @adiz
  
  On the Pinephone web browsers freeze sometimes and I have to restart phosh from tty, I suspect it's a wayland issue becuase I see glitchy visual artifacts when the freeze happens, but my mouse still works oddly, and it's only corrected when dropping into tty, plus it happens with both Firefox and Qutebrowser, so it's not the browsers.
  
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- 🐘🐘 Humpleupagus 🐘🐘 (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 17:29:11 JST 🐘🐘 Humpleupagus 🐘🐘
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  I've never had a problem other than when I want to use a vnc. Then I have to login x11.
  
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- ¢нαяℓιє яσσт (charlie_root@decayable.ink)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 17:31:37 JST ¢нαяℓιє яσσт
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  The problem is I have zero interest in using sxmo again. That's the only x11 mobile linux environment.
  
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- † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 17:31:37 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:
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  @charlie_root @Maholmire @Humpleupagus @BrodieOnLinux @adiz Ik, i wonder if you could configure phosh to use x11
  
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- ¢нαяℓιє яσσт (charlie_root@decayable.ink)'s status on Monday, 06-Nov-2023 17:37:17 JST ¢нαяℓιє яσσт
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  @dcc @Maholmire @Humpleupagus @BrodieOnLinux @adiz
  
  I don't know, but I have a very serious "if it ain't broke don't fix it" vibe with this phone right and it's working the best since I first bought it 2 years ago. (I also learned all the tricks to deal with it's kinks and shortcomings).
  
  I also use my iPhone a lot and it's UI and userspace is plain dogshit somedays. Phosh is actually better at certain things that iOS believe it or not.
  
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