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1. Cayhr (cayhr@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 10:33:07 JST Cayhr
   We're boned, bros.
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   • Kyonko802 (kyonko802@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 10:38:34 JST Kyonko802

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     @ChristiJunior @Cayhr They should stop fucking bears
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   • Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 10:38:35 JST Christi Junior

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     @Cayhr At least everyone here is shitting on that game, it has way fewer apologists than Baldur's Gay 3 did.
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   • WhiteExodite (bleedingphoenix@wolfgirl.bar)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 11:05:20 JST WhiteExodite

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     @ChristiJunior @Cayhr i felt like i was in upside down world when Starfield and Baldur's Gate 3 had apologists here. Cyberpunk is another example but i don't think that will ever end.
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   • Cayhr (cayhr@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 11:06:54 JST Cayhr

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     @bleedingphoenix Starfield I didn't see anyone really defend, but at least for BG3, I can see the arguments for the decent DND style tactics. That being said I refuse to buy it because of the... STUFF in it, let's just say.
     
     Unfortunately it was real quick how some people jumped to totally shut down all criticism of BG3 with "But it was a good game though???" Idc, I don't want to subsidize my ideology enemies lol
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   • LurkPerry (lurkperry@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 11:07:02 JST LurkPerry

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     @Cayhr Gay niggas the game also some faggot super hero shit too
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   • Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 11:11:38 JST Christi Junior

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     @Cayhr @bleedingphoenix Like nigger, play (aka pirate) BG3 if you so desperately need to experience that game, but don't fucking try to portray it as anything other a vice you fall victim to.
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   • Cayhr (cayhr@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 11:11:58 JST Cayhr

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     @AmericanChampion I think a lot of people just checked out of Marvel IPs in general.
   • Ame (americanchampion@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 11:11:59 JST Ame

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     @Cayhr People aren't complaining because nobody's really talking about it. The spiderman game way back around a year ago was recognized as a good game, so it got into the culture war thing. This one seems like it exists solely for the troon audience, so nobody who isn't into that kind of thing is interested in it.
   • Pikika (pikika@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 11:13:56 JST Pikika

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     @ChristiJunior @Cayhr bear fuckers won't be forgiven!
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   • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 11:13:56 JST スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:

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     @Pikika @ChristiJunior @Cayhr bear fuckers can hold this L, cannibal sister fuckers stay winning
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   • Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 11:14:35 JST Suzu :miku_happy:

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     @Cayhr @bleedingphoenix @ChristiJunior as I mentioned before, BG3 is a mid game at best, but it was lauded as an awesome game because zoomers never had played a real CRPG in their entire lives.
     Had BG3 beed released 10 years ago, it would be just another OK CRPG in the midst of many others, but in >current year it's mind blowing.
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   • Cayhr (cayhr@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 11:14:35 JST Cayhr

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     @Suzu >Had BG3 beed released 10 years ago, it would be just another OK CRPG in the midst of many others, but in >current year it's mind blowing.
     I think this is the real sad state of affairs here. What we knew was great and normal back then is ground breaking and amazing nowadays because their standards are low.
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   • Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 11:35:45 JST Suzu :miku_happy:

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     @AmericanChampion @Cayhr the only people I've ever seen mention the new Spiderman game were latinos shitting on it due to the stupid "gender neutral" language that doesn't actually work in Spanish.
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   • 獣耳会社ｗａｎ (wan@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 11:35:55 JST 獣耳会社ｗａｎ

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     @ChristiJunior @Cayhr @bleedingphoenix I had fun playing it alongside my SO but the progsludge and other bad writing eventually gummed things up so badly that we could no longer offset its stink by making fun of it. The creepily cloying AND THEN THE ANGEL WAS BUTCH LESBIANS ending to Act 2 combined with the realization that we no longer cared what happened to any of these boring abuse victims masquerading as people meant that we never started Act 3.
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   • Cayhr (cayhr@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 11:36:26 JST Cayhr

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     @wan >boring abuse victims masquerading as people
     Geez, the writing is THAT bad? How the hell do people stomach that game then...
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   • 獣耳会社ｗａｎ (wan@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 11:46:41 JST 獣耳会社ｗａｎ

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     @ChristiJunior @Cayhr @bleedingphoenix Even the wargaming part of BG3, which was the part where we had the most fun, fell flatter and flatter the less we started to care about the outcomes. We didn't want to switch out our other party members because we didn't want to end up advancing their relationships to the point where we had to deal with any more of their samey bullshit.
     
     I could go on, but the bottom line is that we had more fun together playing through a fucking single-player RPGMaker Japanese game for sex perverts than we did with Baldur's Gate 3.
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   • Cayhr (cayhr@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 11:46:41 JST Cayhr

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     @wan I saw everyone lusting over Karlach, was curious, and was not interested whatsoever. Couple that with the photo I saw of that ugly purple fairy thing that I wanted to burn with fire.
     
     Man, it's tragic because I love some of the technically implemented game mechanics I've seen in BG3. The throwing, a lot of the jumping, the terrain interacting with the skills, etc. So if anything, it's going to be a case study for tactical gameplay systems that I'll be sailing for to implement in my own title, because I sure as hell am not funding the disgusting shit I've seen in that game, and it's not the gore :vomit:
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   • Ace Ice (ace66062@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 12:49:09 JST Ace Ice

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     @Suzu @ChristiJunior @Cayhr @bleedingphoenix it was also being worshipped for being a finished game with no micro-transactions because people that only play AAA-slop think those games don't exist anymore
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   • 獣耳会社ｗａｎ (wan@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 13:38:29 JST 獣耳会社ｗａｎ

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     @Cayhr @ChristiJunior @bleedingphoenix Some of the mechanical moments we had were brilliant. Pushing opponents off cliffs, manipulating spell effects, changing the battlefield, all of that stuff – great.
     
     Even outside of combat, they seemed to have taken pains to make things make sense. I remember we'd cleared out a big spider cave, the final boss fight of which took place around a big chasm. If you clicked it, the narrator mentioned the smell of the wind rushing up from it.
     
     We also happened to be searching for an entrance to the Underdark.
     
     "I bet I can jump down here."
     "What? No, you'll just die. Remember when we ended that boss fight by pushing the Drow slut down the chasm?"
     "Quick save for us."
     "Fine, but you'll – what're you casting?"
     "Feather fall."
     
     Sure enough, casting feather fall and then leaping into that particular chasm triggered a cutscene where you fall safely into the Underdark, one of... three or four? ways you can get down there.
     
     Ach, there were good parts. What a shame.
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   • Cayhr (cayhr@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 13:56:09 JST Cayhr

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     @bleedingphoenix Labor of Love because the commies at CDPR love laboring.
     
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   • salty_apollyon (rlier23@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 13:56:10 JST salty_apollyon

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     @Cayhr @ChristiJunior @bleedingphoenix
     isn't it specially funny that that happens here of all places?
     
     where people grandstand day and night about how much they hate faggots and how much they despise zionism in their games?
     
     goes to show how little self restraint some niggas have even on this side of the internet and even more how little weight their ideals have that they can be completely squashed by a fucking mid tier game
   • WhiteExodite (bleedingphoenix@wolfgirl.bar)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 13:56:10 JST WhiteExodite

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     @rlier23 @ChristiJunior @Cayhr

     “oh come on, it’s not that bad. if you play it a particular way you won’t get bugs/crashes/faggotry and then it’s worth your money”

     i first noticed that with Cyberpunk. genuinely worse launch than Sonic 06 yet it got Labor of Love from Steam.

   • WhiteExodite (bleedingphoenix@wolfgirl.bar)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 14:01:18 JST WhiteExodite

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     @King_Noticer @ChristiJunior @rlier23 @Cayhr counter point: there are 100s of better games you could spend your time playing.
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   • King_Noticer (king_noticer@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 14:01:19 JST King_Noticer

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     @bleedingphoenix @rlier23 @ChristiJunior @Cayhr Even the gayest of games are worth the money I pay for them (Nothing)
     
     Yo-ho-ho :akko_cheeky:
   • 獣耳会社ｗａｎ (wan@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 14:28:14 JST 獣耳会社ｗａｎ

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     @Cayhr @ChristiJunior @bleedingphoenix The writing was superficially okay at times. Much of it – probably through heroic effort on the part of one or two unpozzed staff – managed to rise above the Whedon-poisoned dreck we were bracing for, at least at the line level. There were some clever parts. It even had one or two moments I was able to label "cute", at least in structural terms.
     
     But it very quickly became apparent that Baldur's Gate 3 is about the kind of abusive relationships that artsy proglets somehow keep getting themselves into (:thinking_rotate: ). Every party member was or is in one. The major questline has the player constantly wondering if they're being gaslit.
     
     Legitimate thing to explore? Certainly. Over and over, suffocatingly, from every angle? Tiring. With every single one of these inpatients trying to jump into our pants at even the slightest provocation? Exhausting.
     
     We eventually formed the headcanon that our characters just hung out with Withers at camp because he was the only one who wasn't going to trauma dump and then try to crawl into our bedrolls.
   • Kyonko802 (kyonko802@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 14:28:14 JST Kyonko802

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     @wan @ChristiJunior @Cayhr @bleedingphoenix
     
     I enjoyed my time with BG3 but holy shit I am never spending money on it ever. For every right decision made there were two things where I wondered what the writing team was doing.
     
     Gale, fucking Gale. Okay, dude had a relationship with Mystra, and his WHOLE FUCKING THING UP TO ACT 3 is that she abused him and discarded him and then tells him to blow himself up to save the world.
     
     Then come the best ending of his personal quest. If you tell him to be nice to Mystra she basically goes "You know what I'm glad you didn't blow yourself up that was a shit idea on my part" and reveals that the reason hes not in pain anymore is that she's taken the burden of his orb into the weave itself until they can find a cure.
     
     YOU ONLY FIND THIS OUT IF YOU DON'T CALL HER OUT FOR TELLING GALE TO KILL HIMSELF!!
     
     I was so fucking mad. There was so much middle ground in act 1 and 2, but Mystra pissed me off because you couldn't even go "Okay thank you, but next time talk to us instead of acting like a god who doesn't give a shit"
     
     BG2 definitely clears.
   • Remi (remi@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 14:36:02 JST Remi

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     @Kyonko802 @wan @ChristiJunior @Cayhr @bleedingphoenix I avoided all interaction with Gale and then halfway through Act 2 I was put into a cutscene during a 'sleep at camp' where he tries to advance romance with the player character under the stars so from what I can tell you can't avoid the conversation at all, you HAVE to say "no" to him at some point even if you never talk to him willingly like fuck off man.
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   • Kyonko802 (kyonko802@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 14:37:31 JST Kyonko802

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     @Remi @ChristiJunior @wan @Cayhr @bleedingphoenix That was another annoying part. romances are ALL NPC initiated. There's no flirt option to open up that dialogue, you have to turn everyone down one by one and they all want to fuck you. I was ride or die with Shadowheart and had to go "nah" with literally everyone instead of the game going "Okay already in a relationship so disable that"
   • Remi (remi@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 14:42:50 JST Remi

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     @Kyonko802 @ChristiJunior @wan @Cayhr @bleedingphoenix I read that some characters also don't care if you have more than one romance but only in certain situations and only with certain other NPCs and there's no indication as to who any of these variables are.
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   • blue (blueknightfrank@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 15:28:35 JST blue

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     @wan @ChristiJunior @Cayhr @bleedingphoenix black souls atleast cares not to make it repulsive despite being degenarate
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   • supersid (supersid333@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 15:52:43 JST supersid

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     @ChristiJunior @Cayhr @bleedingphoenix I tried it out for like an hour after pirating it, and then decided it was Divinity but with less interesting skills.
     
     Tl;dr I regret buying into the FOMO at all, it was a waste of bandwidth.
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   • Cayhr (cayhr@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 16:00:49 JST Cayhr

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     @wan >Maybe that's the only kind of romance they know?
     It is inevitable that writers will project a bit of their persona into the writing of their work; the writer's bias. A writer who believes in familial bond will find a way to work it into his story, or at least consider it if it is not intended to be part of the current work. However, the modern "brain" -let's say- I believe has never been taught any amount of self-restraint, rationality, or objectivity. When I watch some of the dialogue of newer games unfold, I tend to fold myself inside out.
     
     Which is weird because I don't think Belgium is like the west coast of America, is it? Is Larian filled with... "those types" from California academic institutions? I could believe the writers projecting the promiscuous tendencies of the recent generations into the game's romance if Larian was based in America, but afaik, it is a Belgian studio. I have no experience with the previous BG games so I have no point of reference, but I can't imagine it was historically cringe and despondent...
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   • 獣耳会社ｗａｎ (wan@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 16:00:50 JST 獣耳会社ｗａｎ

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     @Remi @Kyonko802 @ChristiJunior @Cayhr @bleedingphoenix We kept having NPC events trigger in weird ways, like the game was unpredictably sharing their relationship states between all human players in the session. It didn't help that all romance gates were presented as a choice between "I will make small-talk with you since we're, y'know, trusting our lives to each other" versus "THE NIGGERPEECEE WILL NOT SPEAK IN MY HOLY HUMAN PRESENCE REEEEEEE" and doing anything other than yelling at them to fuck off apparently registers as a desire to receive their awkward as fuck advances.
     
     Maybe that's the only kind of romance they know?
   • Kyonko802 (kyonko802@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 16:24:13 JST Kyonko802

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     @wan @ChristiJunior @Remi @Cayhr @bleedingphoenix That explains why the romance initiations feel so removed from everything else. They're basically fanfiction.
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   • 獣耳会社ｗａｎ (wan@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 16:24:14 JST 獣耳会社ｗａｎ

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     @Cayhr @ChristiJunior @Remi @Kyonko802 @bleedingphoenix BG3's character romances were reportedly (source: some Steam discussion thread that came up when I searched) directed by one Baudelaire Welch, a they/them who would like you to know via her Gamescom Bizcommunitythat she "grew up reading millions of words of Garrus Vakarian fanfiction".
     
     The lead writer over her was one Adam Smith, a former game journo. Also under him was Kevin Vanord, another former game journo. I can't be bothered to follow up the other names, those being Chystal Ding, John Corcoran, Sarah Baylus, Stephen Rooney, Jan Van Dosselaer, Rachel Quirke, and perhaps others, but I'd guess they're spiritually closer to California than Belgium.
   • Immahnoob (immahnoob@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 16:45:17 JST Immahnoob

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     @Cayhr You let too many of the gays near you, no wonder you're boned. :mio_wink:
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   • Cayhr (cayhr@varishangout.net)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Oct-2023 01:42:11 JST Cayhr

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     @wan >grew up reading millions of words of Garrus Vakarian fanfiction"
     :jerry_what: Holy cow! I knew people loved Garrus (and I was quite fond of him as a crewmate too), but this goes beyond what I expected. Or perhaps, I should have expected it.
     
     @ChristiJunior @Remi @Kyonko802 @bleedingphoenix
   • Cayhr (cayhr@varishangout.net)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Oct-2023 01:46:58 JST Cayhr

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     @ChristiJunior :naruhodo: Makes sense too, considering Germany, France, and the UK are on that side. It really is "the west".
     
     @Remi @wan @Kyonko802 @bleedingphoenix
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     @Cayhr @Remi @wan @Kyonko802 @bleedingphoenix >Which is weird because I don't think Belgium is like the west coast of America, is it?
     
     Western Europe as a whole is EXTREMELY cucked and pozzed. To give you an idea of how bad it is, until Obama at least, Western Europeans used to consider Americans to be these Christian conservative far-right extremists because social conservatism still existed there.
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