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1. Jean_Philippe_Micheaux (jean_philippe_micheaux@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 06:43:06 JST Jean_Philippe_Micheaux

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   Him declaring war on the US after Pearl Harbor and giving the interventionists the push they needed to overcome the isolationists was bad. The Japs didn't help either tbf if they just stuck to defeated European colonial assets.
   • d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 06:54:16 JST d

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     When someone has decided they're going to find a way to go to war with you, especially someone like FDR, they're going to find a way.
     
     It's silly to pretend that Germany could've threaded that needle and indulging the thought yields the wrong lesson.
   • NotImportant (notimportant@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 06:54:16 JST NotImportant

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     I could see making it as difficult as possible to make the war as unpopular as possible, but statistically it's been shown that it already was an unpopular war. Maybe if Japan didn't give the US the open excuse and they had to make one we could of seen people burning draft cards during WW2.
   • d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 06:54:17 JST d

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     None of that mattered. FDR et al. would've manufactured a casus belli if one wasn't provided to them. Lusitania 2, perhaps.
   • CatSoc :nv: (catlord@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 06:54:17 JST CatSoc :nv:

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     He would have tried certainly but was having difficulty convincing people with the US naval war.
   • CatSoc :nv: (catlord@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 06:54:40 JST CatSoc :nv:

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     Another thing people have no idea about:
     
     Japan's explicit war goals were to make the US fuck off out of the pacific and then secure a favourable peace deal.
     
     USA's war goal was the unconditional surrender of Japan.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 06:57:28 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     They all thought that the US wasn’t as terminal as it was. They assumed the antiwar sentiment, largely prevalent for common folks after WWI, would mean that the politicians would be amicable and ready to deal with things diplomatically.

     Japs had a fundamental misunderstanding of the american people, too. After years of cornholing chinks and gooks, they assumed they could give the USA a bloody nose and make everyone say “ah, it’s not worth having pacific dominion anyway, just let the japs have their fun and rise to a peer nation”

     I think the krauts had a similar misconception of the yankee soul. Sure, they should have seen the FDR cabinet coming for them, but they probably projected their own more placid, less self-destructive for vengeance souls on the american

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 07:18:52 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     Americans have a defiant streak out west, an insubordinate spirit you don’t see in the anglosphere. It took decades of goyification to break them down into what they are, and you still see the “yeah, IDC, it’s bullshit, I’m not doing that” attitude all over.

     Everyone’s got their own distinct character, the more you work with them the more you see the stereotypes are just the start.

   • CatSoc :nv: (catlord@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 07:18:53 JST CatSoc :nv:

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     Is that really an American attitude though? You certainly don't see it among the American soldier or people domestically. That blinding hate-filled rage for someone who defies you is characteristically jewish.
   • Living Space Studios :verified: (livingspacestudios@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 17-Sep-2023 12:43:08 JST Living Space Studios :verified:

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     Ironically, the mistake the fascists, Nazis and royalists of the Axis made was thinking that democracy would work enough to prevent FDR and Churchill from going against the wishes of the masses.
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