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1. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 04:49:18 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

   • Basades Kaiser

   We’re sitting on the laurels of the old white guys who designed the classics, but there have been - until recently- high standards in aircraft design. The F35 is a fagbag or whatever but the front line kit will come from white minds and slide rules - the stuff of excellence.

   The US fleet has always been a bit italian and sporty by design. It’s like having a sports car that can do its niche mission beautifully - but you have to change the oil every 1,500 miles and tear the engine out for a full rebuild every 5,000. For every hour on the road spent hammering through the gears, you’re spending 2 in the garage to maintain your resale.

   When it works, helmed by american staff, it’s basically unbeatable. We simply have too many skilled airmen (retiring, dying off but still there), and too damn many aircraft. It’s hard to fathom the extent of how overwrought our air power is. If we had the numbers that the russkies did, then we’d be less intimidating, everything would see 60% uptime and they’d blow us away.

   But instead, we probably have some insane ratio like 25 fighters for every one of theirs. Between the USAF and the assortment of Air Guard units, it’s just insane, laughable levels of decadence.

   If we actually do go then we’ll probably lose some fighters here and there, but nothing like you’d wanna see where it’s collapsing before your eyes and destroying neolib egos every day. Russian fighter tech is…..not great for dogfighting, and we’ve been designing our systems to hit their weak points for years. Given how staid they seem to be, I wouldn’t give them great odds unless they REALLY go all-in on drone tech and figure out a way to burn through our funding with it. We’ll get some black eyes, but their only real hope for victory would lie in baiting out the conflict and letting us cripple ourselves economically so we can’t keep shipping parts across the world overnight.
   
   RT: https://cawfee.club/objects/f2d73eac-34b7-4246-977a-28a0eeecf019

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 04:50:58 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • Basades Kaiser

     @basadeskaiser Old OOB but still, when you look at the numbers this is utterly ludicrous.And this is just the direct combat craft.

     You think that’s a lot? Just imagine the tanker fleet.

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 04:51:44 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • Basades Kaiser

     @basadeskaiser Anywhere on earth probably sits within range of a flying gas station ready to pump 50,000 gallons down its gullet

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 04:52:48 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • Basades Kaiser

     @basadeskaiser The unreliability of our stuff, the constant man-hours spent to keep it airborne, is probably our biggest weakness in the collapse. But for now, they’ve bought in depth and have the insane logistics to be able to take a piece made in the 80’s off a shelf in topeka and get it to bagram in a day and a half.

   • Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 04:56:27 JST Boomerman

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     • Basades Kaiser
     @WashedOutGundamPilot @basadeskaiser People have no idea of the scope of all this shit. They see a telegram post and think they know. We also have millions of bombs and munitions next too all these planes the MIC isnt just wasting time all day.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 05:00:58 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • InceptionState

     @InceptionState @basadeskaiser That’s not news to us though, we’ve spent a lot in designing our own anti-sam hunting techniques to the point fighter guys tell me it’s the toughest part of the job just keeping up w/ the specs, tactics and study required.

     That’s why I think their drone use is the only real worthy wildcard. If they can get us to burn through airframes like they do the ukes’ missiles, they have a shot. Our fleets are aging badly, we wasted years of their lifespan flying circles over the desert and now they’re timing out after decades of use.

     Just the scale, man. If you told me that we have enough F-16s to just use them as cannon fodder to blow up SAM sights I’d believe it. Keep in mind we have a shit ton of aircraft sitting in the desert, they could be drone-ified with a few years of work just like the old QF-4 phantoms

   • InceptionState (inceptionstate@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 05:00:59 JST InceptionState

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     • Basades Kaiser
     @WashedOutGundamPilot @basadeskaiser Doesn't the Russian doctrine basically assume that they would lose head to head in air combat and instead call for sitting behind a ton of layered S300 and S400 air defense systems? If they can't win, they can at least try to deny use of the airspace, and the loss of air support would make NATO combined arms tactics much less effective.
     
     Not necessarily saying it's a winning strategy, but they are at least self-aware enough to adapt their tactics according to the reality of combat craft strength.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 05:03:15 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • Basades Kaiser

     @basadeskaiser oh yeah the navy has its own stuff, too

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 05:04:19 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • boburtle

     @boburtle @basadeskaiser “…..we’re gonna need a lot more sams, dimitri”

   • boburtle (boburtle@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 05:04:20 JST boburtle

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     • Basades Kaiser
     @WashedOutGundamPilot @basadeskaiser Good lord.
   • TalmudTranslator (talmudtranslator@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 05:10:22 JST TalmudTranslator

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     • Basades Kaiser
     @WashedOutGundamPilot @basadeskaiser Yeah of the top 5 air forces of the world america is 4 of them. Even the marines air wing puts most major nations airforce to shame.
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   • Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 05:10:25 JST Boomerman

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     • Basades Kaiser
     @WashedOutGundamPilot @basadeskaiser The navy has more fixed wing aircraft than the air force
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   • InceptionState (inceptionstate@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 05:19:51 JST InceptionState

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     • Basades Kaiser
     @WashedOutGundamPilot @basadeskaiser Yeah at that point it's a battle of ISR, cruise missile strikes, drone strikes on air defense systems, etc. And I'm sure we have adapted to prepare for that. But it's much more difficult to wargame how well we would perform against defenses like that. Maybe we manage to hit key components with cruise missiles and it all collapses like with Desert Storm, or maybe it's more resilient than we expected and we take unacceptable losses. There's a lot of uncertainty that will never be resolved unless we actually pull the trigger.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 05:19:51 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • InceptionState

     @InceptionState @basadeskaiser It’s a mystery, I just don’t have a whole lot of hope for russia or china. They both have to live in the real world and pay cash for their stuff, that holds them back. The only thing that would TRULY defeat the USA will be itself. If they pull it at the right time, then a diverse force could just be mired in incompetence and failure long enough for them to get a victory by default

   • koropokkur :verified: :amigacheck: (koropokkur@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 05:26:11 JST koropokkur :verified: :amigacheck:

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     • Basades Kaiser
     @WashedOutGundamPilot @basadeskaiser the way they are making engines these days, im surprised they do any maintenance at all. Porsche will replace parts because its more expensive to fix them after they add in labor.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 05:26:11 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • Basades Kaiser
     • koropokkur :verified: :amigacheck:

     @Koropokkur @basadeskaiser That’s why I’m talking our side up though - we have the OLD engines still. Most of the power plants we use are old, reliable designs revamped and remodeled over the years. The F35’s sucks ass, of course, but it’s not even a production fighter, still in LRIP last I checked.

     Most of the engines you use today are very tried and true. I think pratt & whitney just said they hit like 500 billion flight hours on their pt6s or something. 60 yo design and it’s insanely reliable now

   • Paultron-3030 (paultron@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 10:10:29 JST Paultron-3030

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     • koropokkur :verified: :amigacheck:
     • Gerfand
     • ferrarilegends 🇸🇩
     @ferrarilegends @Koropokkur @Gerfand @WashedOutGundamPilot @basadeskaiser there's no real point in a CG(X) sort of ship anymore, DDG(X) is on the way and the flight 3 burke has SPY-6(V)-1 with a long antenna run and 4+meter diameter while still packing VLS tubes
     
     a good frigate would be nice but our navy is too retarded to make something "good enough", they have to try and make a small displacement ship do every mission profile for some reason
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   • koropokkur :verified: :amigacheck: (koropokkur@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 10:10:30 JST koropokkur :verified: :amigacheck:

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     • Gerfand
     @Gerfand @WashedOutGundamPilot @basadeskaiser reminds me of this over budget pentagon masterpiece of shit!
   • ferrarilegends 🇸🇩 (ferrarilegends@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 10:10:30 JST ferrarilegends 🇸🇩

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     • koropokkur :verified: :amigacheck:
     • Gerfand
     @Koropokkur @Gerfand @WashedOutGundamPilot @basadeskaiser they should've just continued with the CG(X) program instead and built a proper combatant that'd be more adept at doing the shore bombardment role to justify taking the iowas out of mothball and into retirement, while having a design with growth potential (nuclear power with an IE propulsion system would help with the power draw question of laser and other directed-energy weapons, and would've seen the CG(X) stay in service for decades as testbeds for them if only a few were built).
   • Gerfand (gerfand@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 10:10:31 JST Gerfand

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     • koropokkur :verified: :amigacheck:
     @Koropokkur @WashedOutGundamPilot @basadeskaiser Image 1 is the stuff about China
     Image 2 i related to the problems
   • Gerfand (gerfand@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 10:10:31 JST Gerfand

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     • koropokkur :verified: :amigacheck:
     • Gerfand
     @Koropokkur @WashedOutGundamPilot @basadeskaiser Also watch this video, its nerd (I hate the current meaning of that word but its the only thing I can describe it as) but the baron part is really good
     
     youtu.be/8YsiYNJFyQQ?t=972
   • Gerfand (gerfand@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 10:10:32 JST Gerfand

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     • Basades Kaiser
     • koropokkur :verified: :amigacheck:
     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Koropokkur @basadeskaiser F-35 engine was being discussed for being underpowered or something (maybe it was a problem with heat, I forgot exactly) but the funny is it using Chinese stuff (parts, components or materials, I forgot which one)
   • koropokkur :verified: :amigacheck: (koropokkur@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 10:10:32 JST koropokkur :verified: :amigacheck:

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     • Gerfand
     @Gerfand @WashedOutGundamPilot @basadeskaiser wtf.
     i despise the globalist cocksuckers.
     will save a buck by having chinks manufacture somethjng and then just give away all our shit for a political donation.
     who knows what they bought from Biden after all the millions theyve given him.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 10:11:51 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • koropokkur :verified: :amigacheck:
     • Gerfand

     @Gerfand @Koropokkur @basadeskaiser This is all forgivable because the F-35 STILL isn’t even a production fighter. It’s in low-rate initial production so it’s allowed to be all imperfect and messed up like it’s still half a prototype….never mind the fact they have whole wings outfitted with them.

     It’s all very silly

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 10:12:59 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • koropokkur :verified: :amigacheck:
     • Gerfand

     @Koropokkur @Gerfand @basadeskaiser Speaking of cool new ships they bought in 2015 and threw in the garbage five years later….

   • ferrarilegends 🇸🇩 (ferrarilegends@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 10:36:28 JST ferrarilegends 🇸🇩

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     • Basades Kaiser
     • koropokkur :verified: :amigacheck:
     • Gerfand
     @Paultron @Gerfand @Koropokkur @WashedOutGundamPilot @basadeskaiser that and they don't really have any serious competition (except maybe chile numbers wise and chile has good relations with brazil).
   • Paultron-3030 (paultron@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 10:36:28 JST Paultron-3030

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     • Gerfand
     • ferrarilegends 🇸🇩
     @ferrarilegends @Gerfand @Koropokkur @WashedOutGundamPilot @basadeskaiser they may not have a huge threat around but they still fuck over the french military industrial complex constantly for fun lmao
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     • Basades Kaiser
     • koropokkur :verified: :amigacheck:
     • Gerfand
     @Paultron @Gerfand @Koropokkur @WashedOutGundamPilot @basadeskaiser well, south americans are france's best military customers now that Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi are gone, so the french don't care much at the end of the day
   • Gerfand (gerfand@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 10:36:29 JST Gerfand

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     • ferrarilegends 🇸🇩
     @ferrarilegends @Paultron @Koropokkur @WashedOutGundamPilot @basadeskaiser wow that some really smart, what will they say next "we paying double the cost of whatever China is doing so we just need half as they are clearly double as good"?
   • Gerfand (gerfand@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 10:36:29 JST Gerfand

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     • Gerfand
     • ferrarilegends 🇸🇩
     @ferrarilegends @Paultron @Koropokkur @WashedOutGundamPilot @basadeskaiser Honestly I thought Brasil was bad for only wanting 4 frigates (we just need to defend our coastline and that still very much nothing)
   • Paultron-3030 (paultron@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 10:36:29 JST Paultron-3030

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     • koropokkur :verified: :amigacheck:
     • Gerfand
     • ferrarilegends 🇸🇩
     @Gerfand @ferrarilegends @Koropokkur @WashedOutGundamPilot @basadeskaiser tbh the brazillian naval programme is really interesting once you dig into the nuke sub stuff they're doing
   • ferrarilegends 🇸🇩 (ferrarilegends@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 10:36:30 JST ferrarilegends 🇸🇩

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     • Basades Kaiser
     • koropokkur :verified: :amigacheck:
     • Gerfand
     @Paultron @Koropokkur @Gerfand @WashedOutGundamPilot @basadeskaiser the constellation class frigate will hopefully be that good enough frigate, but the USN is taking only 20 of them......
   • Z superfan (sky999999@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 11:17:57 JST Z superfan

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     • koropokkur :verified: :amigacheck:
     • Gerfand
     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Gerfand @Koropokkur @basadeskaiser there's over 1000 of them, how are they non production lol
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 11:17:57 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • koropokkur :verified: :amigacheck:
     • Gerfand
     • Z superfan

     @sky999999 @Gerfand @Koropokkur @basadeskaiser They want to have almost 2,500 of them. Like everything in the program, it’s about the “rules”. Classifying them as LRIP gives a lot more leeway in having things not meet standards.

     The whole concept of designing systems as you go, manufacturing the first blocks and then later doubling back to bring early aircraft to production standards was astoundingly retarded, but they got it signed off anyway.

     This was proc for 2022

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 07-Aug-2023 09:04:34 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • Ame
     • InceptionState

     @AmericanChampion @InceptionState @basadeskaiser feasible with a few years if the end goal is a decoy/drone on a one-way ticket somewhere. Would take a few years to get things up and running but we’re restoring WWII aircraft that have been sitting in jungles since the 40’s so tossing a few fresh rubber seals in an F16 is somewhat feasible

   • Ame (americanchampion@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 07-Aug-2023 09:04:35 JST Ame

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     • InceptionState
     @WashedOutGundamPilot @InceptionState @basadeskaiser Do you think that restoring the stuff sitting around in Nevada is really feasible? Wondered about it a lot - I've seen an article about a company that does that on a very small scale ("let's rig up one old jet so we can test our new missile on it"), but I don't know whether the system could maneuver enough talent for that to be possible at scale.
   • Rudolf_von_Goldenbaum (rudolf_von_goldenbaum@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 07-Aug-2023 12:25:51 JST Rudolf_von_Goldenbaum

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     • InceptionState
     @WashedOutGundamPilot @InceptionState @basadeskaiser The number of F-4s shot down in Vietnam seems crazy by today’s standards. Imagine losing even 100 fighters today.
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