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1. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 12:00:07 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

   • Saber

   I was just working with this faggot who’s super into ayuasca, shrooms, and LSD and after having the same boring-ass “….maybe like, we’re ALL god, you know? Even the ants are god, and the plants are god too….” conversation for the 100th time, I started to suspect something:

   Those who delve into hallucinogenics rarely have depth of soul. It’s the kind of thing you build via experience, suffering, learning, honing, etc. They’re vacuous searchers, idle hedonists looking for a thrill.

   I’ve begun to wonder if they come away from that experience feeling small, tiny, and insignificant not because WE all would, but because they truly ARE insignificant. They’re trespassing in a domain they are not ready for, so they step on the scale only to feel the immense, unfathomable lacking that’s woven itself into their spiritual bones after a lifetime of indolent pleasure-seeking.

   I’m half tempted to try it just to see if I feel like them or something else. I have a small, arrogant, transgressive suspision that I would come away feeling more like myself than feeling like a part of “everything”. I’ve just heard the same boring jabber from these people for years, and never ONCE talked to a wise, rooted person with a hard, unyielding concept of self who ventured into the ether and returned. Anyone like that is too smart to go playing around with separating spirit from flesh anyway, so it’s a moot point.

   But that’s an interesting idea I’ve been chewing on lately.
   
   RT: https://mugicha.club/objects/6900bdcf-45f0-4522-8aca-5a0e470ab574

   • Rayfield (rayfield@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 12:28:42 JST Rayfield

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Saber You reminded me of a weirdo I went to highschool with. He was part of some religion where they had a (yearly?) ceremony that involved drinking ayahuasca in a room with a large table and a bunch of other people + "elders", you were supposed to take a drink and then walk ONLY clockwise (Or was it counterclockwise?) around the table, then sit down and drink again. That's how he described it.
     
     I remember him pretty well because we were at a party in senior year and out of nowhere he just fucking lost it. I had to tie him to a big leather chair with extension cords because he started threatening to rape/kill some of the girls there and had this weird crazy eye shit going on so we left him like that until morning.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 12:29:08 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Rayfield @Saber Just another data point to add to the pile. The people messing around with this stuff are precisely the worst possible candidates to do so.

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 12:32:21 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @blaaablaaaa @mia @Saber @parker @MeBigbrain Yeah that one guy w/ the cool catholic holiday chart has a twitthread of a lot of these horror stories. I clipped it before here, somewhere.

     Overall I hate it all, I find it incredibly suspect that they’re making it normal now as if it’s a good thing. Without a bunch of good, spiritually stalwart men to test my hypothesis…..I’ll never know how right I am.

     I suspect there’s a basic sin involved in the very process itself - God put you into a body for a reason, escaping outside of it to go explore the boundaries of the soul isn’t any of our business until our mortality is through

   • blaaablaaaa (blaaablaaaa@hermit.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 12:32:22 JST blaaablaaaa

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     Here's one of the stories, seeing if it turns out readable.
   • mia (mia@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 12:32:23 JST mia

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     @blaaablaaaa @MeBigbrain @Saber @WashedOutGundamPilot @parker
     
     Gonna trip right now, just because of this. Let's go.
   • blaaablaaaa (blaaablaaaa@hermit.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 12:32:24 JST blaaablaaaa

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     I can post the dozens of DMT "soul surgery" stories and terrifying demonic encounters as well from people who do these things. Like @parker said they give the feeling of epiphanies but in reality it's nothing. I know people will talk about all the positive cases of people improving their lives but honestly at most it sounds like it gets them out of a funk that diet and exercise could have fixed.
     
     Like my pinned video says "We want to be small but God has created us to be great."
   • Christmas Coon (mebigbrain@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 12:32:25 JST Christmas Coon

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Saber >"They’re vacuous searchers, idle hedonists looking for a thrill. "
     Man, if that didn't perfectly describe me at one point in my life. :sad_dog:
     
     But I have a different theory; I think they all talk the same because they're all suffering the same brain damage. Don't try the stuff, Woggy, you can't have enough strength of character to survive having your brain pickled. Or maybe to be a bit more esoteric they all get contacted by the same kind of demon who feeds them the perfect lines to get other people to open themselves up to it.
   • Crux_Invictus (crux_invictus@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 12:35:28 JST Crux_Invictus

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Saber And yet, from the same kind of people sprang the Jesus Movement, which did eventually bear some good fruit. God willing those crooked sticks will be used to draw straight lines again.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 12:35:28 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Crux_Invictus @Saber Yeah, if Vice, Joe Rogan, and the ADL are trying to get me to put myself into the demonic realm unarmored, I’m gonna go ahead and uh….not do that, thanks.

     We can play around w/ the DMT stuff once Christ returns maybe, as a treat.

   • The Forbidden Dreamer (forbiddendreamer@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 12:35:39 JST The Forbidden Dreamer

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     @blaaablaaaa @MeBigbrain @Saber @parker @WashedOutGundamPilot I did a bunch of DMT (before it was cool) and developed an economy based on cheeseburgers and prostitution.
     12/10, would recommend.
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   • Paultron-3030 (paultron@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 12:38:11 JST Paultron-3030

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Saber having eaten my share of meme hallucinogens i don't regret it. untethering your brain from terra firma honestly *can* have some positive effects on outlook, but you must be absolutely sure of what you're doing. what and who you are, what your intentions are, how you'll comport yourself if you go to far
     
     a normalfag who wants to have fun who takes a heroic dose of some poorly measured street chemical can get themselves into deep, deep shit. there are no safety rails on illegal drugs that fuck with sense of self and perception
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 12:38:11 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Paultron @Saber Most people don’t even have a firm grasp on what they’re doing next week, much less what they even are.

     I remember there used to be some test thingy where you went through a mental voyage and talked about the things you saw and handled under the guidance of the one administering it, afterwards they talk about what the diff. things were supposed to represent to you. I don’t remember much of mine other than the fact that my “core” was a white, pearlescent cube, whatever the hell that means.

     Probably nothing to it, but I wish I’d remembered more of that weird stuff.

   • SuperLutheran (Festive half) (superlutheran@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 12:38:33 JST SuperLutheran (Festive half)

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Saber Dude don't play with demons. These drugs are primarily aimed at seducing or scaring people into hearing what they want.
     Or frying their brains so they're useless for the rest of their lives, it's a win-win for the devil.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 12:40:04 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @SuperLutheran @Saber I just start to walk away now when someone is hanging out and starts to get barefoot to sit on the floor and talk to us about how absolutely vital it is that we do all these trip drugs.

     They’re never interesting, engaging, useful, treasureable people. They’re always the boring, vacuous, dead weight on the team. After experiencing it once again I just kept thinking about the possibility that the people drawn to it as a hobby are just…..nothings.

   • King_Noticer (king_noticer@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 12:44:17 JST King_Noticer

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     @SuperLutheran @WashedOutGundamPilot @Saber That wily devil is always up to shenanigans
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   • The Forbidden Dreamer (forbiddendreamer@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 12:44:26 JST The Forbidden Dreamer

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     @blaaablaaaa @MeBigbrain @Saber @parker @WashedOutGundamPilot I also came up with tons of potentially practical inventions like engines and aircraft and shit, but I also came up with my own extraction methods so I probably removed the demons that way. I also haven't met a single drug user that I liked, they're all just fucking retarded.
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   • Bellerophon (bellerophon@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 23:10:33 JST Bellerophon

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Saber Well put. The stoner bro trying to justify the drug use as beneficial is the most annoying part. If they would just say "I want to get high because I like it," instead of trying to ascribe some pseudo-spiritual revelation to it, then at least they'd be honest about it.
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   • SKracket (skracket@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 23:13:41 JST SKracket

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     that was a really bad way of putting what I'm thinking. Basically, people ought to become more aware and have more control of their true selves and also of the true selves of others. This is very difficult. What happens when you do drugs is you become less aware and less in control, you relinquish your control of your own self, and thus feel more in tune with other things that also have less control over their own selves. Trees, birds, other people. etc. But that's a regression to a more primitive state, not a true state of ascended consciousness which retains itself while fully relating to another.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 23:13:41 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @SKracket @Saber But they can’t handle a “primitive state” when the most primitive, primal sensation they’ve ever experienced is a 2-day hunger.

     If you’ve stabbed something in the heart with a dull knife or laid awake at night wondering if that guy you killed still curses your name from beyond the the other side of the mirror, then maybe you’d have a very different experience walking outside the flesh.

     That’s why I’m suspecting these people have the same experiences - they’re stepping on the scale with no weight in their soul only to return and tell me “we’re ALL nothing, man“.

     Speak for yourself, burnouts. Maybe THEY are the only ones who are nothing.

   • SKracket (skracket@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 03-Aug-2023 23:13:42 JST SKracket

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     Drugs expand the horizontal space but not the vertical space. So as you say, they lack depth. Drug users feel a part of everything because they are regressing to an unconscious state, they lose awareness of what they are thinking, why they are, etc while feeling a sense of self is a conscious state. To become more conscious, to have more awareness, to retain your self and yet to be more unified with other beings is something we haven't really figured out yet.
   • Godcast (hates Christmas music half) (godcast@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 00:35:07 JST Godcast (hates Christmas music half)

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     @Senator_Armstrong @Saber @WashedOutGundamPilot Of course you do
   • Godcast (hates Christmas music half) (godcast@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 00:35:08 JST Godcast (hates Christmas music half)

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     @Senator_Armstrong @Saber @WashedOutGundamPilot Still sounds like rationalization
   • Senator_Armstrong (senator_armstrong@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 00:35:08 JST Senator_Armstrong

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     What is there to rationalize? I reject your core premise that it's always wrong to do hallucinogens.
   • Senator_Armstrong (senator_armstrong@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 00:35:09 JST Senator_Armstrong

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     Well you get diminishing returns with it after a while, so it was pointless to continue doing. At best you might get one or two good experiences from either substance. You're right it's hard on the body. I did get some insight from it though, I think it was worth doing.
   • Godcast (hates Christmas music half) (godcast@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 00:35:09 JST Godcast (hates Christmas music half)

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     @Senator_Armstrong @Saber @WashedOutGundamPilot Sounds like rationalization.
   • Senator_Armstrong (senator_armstrong@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 00:35:09 JST Senator_Armstrong

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     Mushrooms helped with emotional development. LSD was more about gaining perspective. But once you sort out your heart and mind, what else is there to do? There's really no need to go off the deep end into brain frying. Most people don't have the right temperament for this and I would not recommend it to the majority.
   • Senator_Armstrong (senator_armstrong@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 00:35:10 JST Senator_Armstrong

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     For most people that is good advice. I'm not most people though.
   • Godcast (hates Christmas music half) (godcast@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 00:35:10 JST Godcast (hates Christmas music half)

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     @Senator_Armstrong @Saber @WashedOutGundamPilot Yes, I'm certain you're a very special boy and you're gaining TRVE insight and not just frying your brain
   • Senator_Armstrong (senator_armstrong@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 00:35:11 JST Senator_Armstrong

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     lsd and mushrooms can be fun but I would warn people to start with small doses because the easiest way to have a bad time is to go deeper than you're ready for, which is easy to do if you under estimate how potent they are.
   • Godcast (hates Christmas music half) (godcast@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 00:35:11 JST Godcast (hates Christmas music half)

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     @Senator_Armstrong @Saber @WashedOutGundamPilot Or how about not doing any mind-altering drugs at all?
   • Godcast (hates Christmas music half) (godcast@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 00:35:12 JST Godcast (hates Christmas music half)

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot @Saber The reason drug-induced experiences feel more real is because they originate within the brain as a chemical reaction and without the layers of filtering through your senses and rational mind, this taking on a more profound-feeling impact. It's just a chemical response that your brain isn't a condition to contextualize.
     
     tldr, drugs are bad, mkay?
   • Senator_Armstrong (senator_armstrong@seal.cafe)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2023 00:35:47 JST Senator_Armstrong

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     You could just say agree to disagree instead of being all passive aggressive.