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1. Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 22:59:06 JST Alex Gleason
   @realcaseyrollins This is entirely the fault of the IWF and Microsoft, who create "exclusive" proprietary CSAM prevention software and then only license big tech companies to use it.
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   • Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:37:02 JST Alex Gleason

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     @kroner @realcaseyrollins It would have to be AI.
   • kroner :blobcatsanta: (kroner@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:37:03 JST kroner :blobcatsanta:

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     Man I sure wish there was better non-proprietary CSAM prevention software...
   • Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:37:45 JST Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️

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     • kroner :blobcatsanta:
     @alex @kroner @realcaseyrollins How could you train such an AI without violating 2637864093 laws?
   • Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:38:16 JST Alex Gleason

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     @7666 @realcaseyrollins This should be a bigger scandal.
   • 7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:38:17 JST 7666

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     @alex @realcaseyrollins yooo i had the same problem with the IWF!!! my final conclusion came to this:
     
     "The IWF takes a holier-than-thou stance when it comes to assisting smaller website operators in the universal mission to prevent the spread of child abuse material, possibly so they can operate an extortion racket or waste UK public funds."
     
     https://infrablog.lain.la/iwf-nogo
   • Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jul-2023 23:54:15 JST Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️

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     @alex @realcaseyrollins This is by design. If you're not in their special club, they can shut you down at a moment's notice by uploading CP to your server and claiming that you are "hosting" it. Even if your moderators delete it in a minute, that's still enough for an article in Vice (ironic name) or Huffpo about how your service is a "haven for CSAM".
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   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:52:58 JST Moon

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     @alex @realcaseyrollins what are the odds they lobbied for the rules about hash sharing that they griveously have to follow
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   • Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:52:59 JST Alex Gleason

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     @realcaseyrollins Update: he replied to me.
   • Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:52:59 JST Alex Gleason

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     @realcaseyrollins Here's my reply back:
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   • Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 00:53:00 JST Alex Gleason

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     @realcaseyrollins I'm sending a follow up email:
   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:28:12 JST Machismo

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     @Pyrrho @realcaseyrollins @idiot @feld @alex Oh hey I remember that. iqdb got nuked by it too, and they were actually down for a week or two as a result.
   • Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:28:13 JST Alex Gleason

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     @feld @idiot @realcaseyrollins Here's the full correspondence so far as a PDF.
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   • Pyrrho (pyrrho@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:28:13 JST Pyrrho

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     @alex @feld @idiot @realcaseyrollins
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   • Dumb Idiot Retard (idiot@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:28:14 JST Dumb Idiot Retard

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     @alex @realcaseyrollins Just forward the response to the verge so they can follow up on their article with how NCMEC and friends are actively impeding fixing the issue.
   • Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:28:14 JST Alex Gleason

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     @idiot @realcaseyrollins I sent The Verge 2 emails already, including this entire chain, yes.
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:28:14 JST feld

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     I have contact with a tech writer at CNBC too, will forward it
   • Pyrrho (pyrrho@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:35:31 JST Pyrrho

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     @Zerglingman @alex @feld @idiot @realcaseyrollins
     You just know if feds will pose as polio vaccine administrators to catch terrorists, and help promote the same vaccine hesitancy that is why polio is still a global killer of children...
     
     They will upload, idk, wrong-thing image hashes to csam databases, or just any hash so they can map out a "dangerous" communites online, like the tracers they inject people with to do catscans.
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   • Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:48:52 JST Alex Gleason

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     @realcaseyrollins I forwarded this email chain to Gargron.
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   • Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:48:55 JST Alex Gleason

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     • Moon
     @Moon @realcaseyrollins Where is the New York Times article you mentioned? I can't follow this thread anymore.
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:48:55 JST Moon

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     @alex @realcaseyrollins https://archive.is/BEdp5 washington post
   • Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:49:45 JST Alex Gleason

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     • Moon
     @Moon @realcaseyrollins "Fwd: Fwd: Fwd:"... sent.
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   • Token (coin@asimon.org)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 01:51:45 JST Token

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     • Moon
     @alex @Moon @realcaseyrollins Why do I have a feeling that WashPost will ignore these e-mails?
   • Shadowman311 (shadowman311@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 02:00:37 JST Shadowman311

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     @alex @realcaseyrollins Much like pretty much everything else, we are going to have to make our own, unless they adapt their policies due to Threads or whatever. I think your idea of training an AI on nudity and children separately is the best actionable way forward. Since in order for these orgs to admit the fediverse is a big player now is to insult their corpo friends.
   • Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 02:00:37 JST Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️

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     @Shadowman311 @alex @realcaseyrollins Maybe something like a distributed hash table that is shared between pleroma instances. Whenever an instance admin deletes CP, it is hashed and the hash is added to the table. New uploads are checked with the table and flagged before becoming visible on the timeline. Of course, there would also need to be some trust mechanism to prevent bad actors from abusing that for censorship purposes...
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   • Pyrrho (pyrrho@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Jul-2023 02:09:10 JST Pyrrho

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     @caekislove @Shadowman311 @alex @realcaseyrollins
     Good idea, but I really do think an actual AI filter model should be getting trained on it, though. It'd be nice to eventually be free of this bullshit, instead of swatting like flies forever.
     
     And Husky still can't edit posts, it seems.
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